Comments Thread For: Arum Reflects on Mayweather's IV, Pacquiao Shoulder Shot Scandal

[ADP02]

More reasons why one cannot believe Floyd required an IV:

1) Ariza was monitoring Floyd
""I do not know how other camps do it but we do not do things by guess, we do it by the numbers."" - Dr Alex Ariza

2) Floyd said he makes weight EASILY for a decade and admitted to making weight EASILY for the Manny fight.

3) Here is Floyd before a weigh-in. Was this a decade ago video? Nope. It was when he fought Maidana, his previous opponent. How dehydrated can one be when he can eat and drink like this before a weigh-in?

[Dosumpthin]

But the report said its NOT! You think the issue is fixed? Well, I went further and told you that just recently, WADA was criticized AGAIN! Maybe to you that means "Good job?"

The point is what I said a while back. WADA does NOT have a special wand that makes them see what people try to hide. Its not as easy as that.



Its not just a recommendation. Its stating there are definite weaknesses with the Testing program.
When they say that they are seeing too many TUEs being handed out, its based on facts not just what they think.

Oh wait, this was just a deflection from you......



They mention that too many TUEs are being handed out and not for the right reasons. THey mention also that RETRO TUEs should only be handed out for emergency type situations.

Floyd just used it to go from mild dehydration to FULLY REHYDRATED athlete .... that is not why one would hand out a RETRO TUE.

Other ADOs have implemented what was said in that meeting. Here is Uk ADO on RETRO TUEs:
"Only in emergency situations (such as an allergic reaction, exacerbation of asthma, or the onset of Bell's palsy) should treatment begin without the necessary approval." Sounds familiar?


Floyd had no emergency type situation.

The example you gave states an allergic reaction would be considered an emergency.

In case you forgot......



In case you can't read.....


Do you have any serious medical illnesses, diseases, conditions or allergies of any kind? If yes please explain.

Floyd : yes. Allergies.



Don't bother to explain how you concluded that Floyd allergies has nothing to do with dehydration. Or can not be an emergency despite what you yourself just posted....we get it.....

1. Floyd's 30 day weight
2. Dr. Ariza diagnosis
3. any Thomas Hauser speculation/rumor
4. you are allergic to peanut butter crackers
5. Floyd had not sneezed in 10 days.
6. Bob Arum legal definition of the word "OR"


I took the liberty to provide a pact@rd response for you in advance.


Instead answer my question.......


Did Bob Arum lie about receiving an USADA Tue????

[ADP02]

The example you gave states an allergic reaction would be considered an emergency.

In case you forgot......



In case you can't read.....


Do you have any serious medical illnesses, diseases, conditions or allergies of any kind? If yes please explain.

Floyd : yes. Allergies.



Don't bother to explain how you concluded that Floyd allergies has nothing to do with dehydration. Or can not be an emergency despite what you yourself just posted....we get it.....

1. Floyd's 30 day weight
2. Dr. Ariza diagnosis
3. any Thomas Hauser speculation/rumor
4. you are allergic to peanut butter crackers
5. Floyd had not sneezed in 10 days.
6. Bob Arum legal definition of the word "OR"


I took the liberty to provide a pact@rd response for you in advance.


Instead answer my question.......


Did Bob Arum lie about receiving an USADA Tue????

So explain to us all how you are the only one trying to desperately and foolishly trying to connect allergies with Floyd's dehydration when Floyd clearly tells you why he was dehydrated ..... and in the interviews, Floyd consistently says that it had to do with his urinating, blood and exercises?

If Floyd says allergies or whatever else you and Trav try to state, well, show me the link? Until then, stick to what Floyd said!!!



Allergies

[Dosumpthin]

So explain to us all how you are the only one trying to desperately and foolishly trying to connect allergies with Floyd's dehydration when Floyd clearly tells you why he was dehydrated ..... and in the interviews, Floyd consistently says that it had to do with his urinating, blood and exercises?

If Floyd says allergies or whatever else you and Trav try to state, well, show me the link? Until then, stick to what Floyd said!!!



Allergies

I DO NOT KNOW THE OFFICIAL DIAGNOSIS OF FLOYDS MEDICAL CONDITION.


1. You are the one that claimed that it was a FACT that Floyd didn't mention any medical condition concerning dehydration to NSAC.

Admit you were wrong and attempted to pass along false information presented as a FACT.


Allergies are a medical condition that is directly related to dehydration.


2. You are the one that claimed Floyd did not have an emergency medical condition -therefore USADA should not have approved the TUE retroactively.

Despite 100s of posts proving you wrong by referencing the OFFICIAL WADA ISTUE code - you continue to pass along misinformed speculation as a FACT.


Actually WADA ISTUE allows for other circumstances
that are not considered an emergency in which an athlete can obtain a retro tue.


Once again you attempted to pass along false information by referencing UKAD (who has nothing to do with Floyd or Manny) statement about retro tues.


I proved that even your own pact@rd logic is false by pointing out an allergic reaction would be considered an emergency situation and Floyd informed NSAC doctors that he is suffering from allergies.



The severity of FLOYDS MEDICAL CONDITION, dehydration, allergies or diahrrea or whatever is not the point.



The issue with you had always been about how you routinely state OPINIONS based on rumors, speculation and misinformation - which is bad enough - and pass it along a FACTUAL INFORMATION.




I DO not know what the OFFICIAL DIAGNOSIS of FLOYDS MEDICAL CONDITION is. I said it again for you.



More importantly, neither do you.

[Spoon23]

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[travestyny]

Isn't this cute, TravestyNY Alt Dosumpthin has taken over His main. He must be doing this to create an illusion that ADP02 is talking to more than one person lol

Dang, even the writing style of TravestyNY is identical lmao

Next time, try to make it difficult for us to know you're just one of the same ****** hahaha Shyits too easy to decipher. It's ridiculous. SMDH

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Sorry to disappoint you. Only you create alts to create a false image. Case in point...your more accurate poll. How did that turn out when you made the poll participants transparent?

That's what I thought.

Shouldn't you still be in hiding since your boy Pac turned bltch and chose Vargas? When will you get tired of embarrassing yourself?

[travestyny]

They mention that too many TUEs are being handed out and not for the right reasons.

Floyd just used it to go from mild dehydration to FULLY REHYDRATED athlete .... that is not why one would hand out a RETRO TUE.

It was just 2 athletes where there were no requests made to WADA for a review. So it was optional to even look at this. If they would, they would be verifying what? The documents given to them by Floyd/USADA .... and if it was compliant "enough". It was all figured out before they signed the contract with Manny.

You ****ed up again. NSAC is not a signatory to the WADA code. This we all know. NSAC can impose any penalty they want, or even refuse to impose a penalty...though it must be based on their rules. It does not concern WADA.

However, USADA, as a signatory to WADA, DOES have to follow WADA's rules. If USADA does not, WADA can and must impose sanctions on USADA, just as WADA imposed sanctions on RUSADA!

Now here's the kicker. You say "it was just 2 athletes and WADA's review was optional." You say the TUE wasn't given for the right reasons. You say that under WADA rules an IV can't be given to combat dehydration.

WADA was OF COURSE well aware of this issue. WADA did address this issue. WADA directly proves you are WRONG!

"WADA confirmed that under the 2015 World Anti-Doping Code and the International Standard for The****utic Use Exemptions (ISTUE), a retroactive TUE can be granted for an IV drip to combat dehydration. “For a case that would be monitored by WADA, yes the ISTUE could allow for intravenous infusions to be used in instances of dehydration”, a WADA spokesperson told the Sports Integrity Initiative. However, the spokesperson added: “This case is not one that is monitored by WADA because the World Boxing Council is not a signatory to the Code. We understand that USADA was contracted to conduct the anti-doping program for this fight, however.”


Are you ready to give up yet?

[travestyny]

Nope. This is not what Floyd had. Remember that Floyd thanked Dr Alex Ariza!!! How would Ariza know for sure when:

If it was then Floyd would have been sent to the hospital and properly diagnosed since its not easy to assess and treat(type of). If incorrectly treated, the athlete can have further complications or die. Furthermore, the athlete would need to be monitored and be properly medicated.

Secondly, in respect to athletes, this usually occurs right after an event such as a marathon where the athlete exerts himself for an extended period and may have drank during the race but did not sufficiently intake the amount of sodium that was required(imbalance). Floyd was NOT doing no marathon and this did not occur after any type of exercise. This happened after a weigh-in where Floyd was allowed to drink and eat both before and after. See below video on how Floyd packs it in before his weigh-in for the Maidana fight. If you forget, Floyd fought Maidana just before Manny. So we are not talking about a decade ago Floyd. Eating and drinking like that and Floyd still needs an IV? Geez!

Allow me to cut through this bull**** too. Of course I will admit that this may include speculation, but how else am I going to address your speculation?

1. How do you know his urine or his blood was not tested for hyponatremia? Do you know?

2. Hyponatremia is treated with normal saline through an IV infusion. I've already shown you this. He's not going to die from being given 750ml of IV fluid. He could have been treated to prevent the hyponatremia from progressing further.

3. You say it usually occurs right after an event like a marathon. Does your use of the word usually serve as an admission that it does not have to occur after a marathon, and does not even have to occur right after? Here, let me help you out.

Hyponatremia is not only for marathon runners:
In fact, a new consensus report in the British Journal of Sports Medicine found that many athletes are at risk of exercise-associated hyponatremia, which is an electrolyte imbalance that can be caused by drinking too much liquid. This can lead to nausea and vomiting, headaches, fatigue, and in serious cases, coma and even death.

While it was previously thought to only be a concern for long-distance athletes competing in events like marathons and Ironmans, the paper (which was funded by CrossFit, Inc.) concluded that many athletes are actually dangerously over-drinking during events as short as 10K races and even bikram yoga classes, Tamara Hew-Butler, PhD, lead author of the paper, explained to Health.
Because “it is impossible to recommend a generalized range especially during exercise when conditions are dynamic and changing, there is not one size that fits all!” she adds.
http://www.biggiesboxers.com/the-amo...-need-per-day/

What does NSAC say?:
One important factor is the environment that you exercise in:
The implications can be severe if not corrected, particularly in Nevada’s dry climate.

If the sweat is not rapidly evaporated such as in humid environments, higher sweating will occur to accomplish the cooling effects. Sweat contains a large amount of sodium and chloride (salt). If an athlete is already in a dehydrated state, the sweat concentrations of sodium and chloride are further elevated thereby increasing the body’s salt loss.

The most severe complication of dehydration or improper rehydration (water intoxication) is exercise-associated hyponatremia. This is defined by the blood’s level of sodium which is normally 135-140 mEq/L. In hyponatremia, the levels fall below 135 to present with symptoms of fatigue, muscle cramps, nausea, vomiting, headache, confusion, and disorientation. (1) If not properly treated, hyponatremia can result in severe condition known as central pontine myelinolysis (brain nerve damage).

It is difficult to recommend a specific amount of fluid replacement during competition since individual demands vary.
http://boxing.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/b...ation10-08.pdf

Hyponatremia need not occur right after an event:
The 2015 Third International Exercise-Associated Hyponatremia Consensus Development Conference defined exercise-associated hyponatremia (EAH) as hyponatremia (serum or plasma sodium below the normal reference range of the laboratory) occurring during or up to 24 hours after prolonged physical activity
https://www.uptodate.com/contents/ex...yponatremia#H9

Hyponatremia can be chronic:
Chronic hyponatremia- Hyponatremia developing over >48 h should be considered “chronic.” Most patients have chronic hyponatremia. The serum sodium concentration is usually above 120meq/L. Brain adapts itself to hyponatremia by generation of idiogenic osmoles. This is a protective mechanism that reduces the degree of cerebral edema; it begins on the first day and is complete within several days. Hence in chronic hyponatremia patients may appear asymptomatic. Mild hyponatremia is characterized by gastrointestinal tract symptoms nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite. Sometimes, subtle neurologic abnormalities may be present when the serum sodium is between 120 and 130 meq/L.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4192979/

Unable to Urinate?
The symptoms of hyponatremia include bloating, a feeling of fullness in your stomach, nausea, incoherence and disorientation. You may be unable to take in any more water, and also unable to urinate: these are warning signs to get to the medical tent and ask for help.
http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/6/6_1/1179.shtml


Dark Urine? Excessive sweating? Diarrhea? Hot Environment? Unable to urine? It’s all here.
Inadequate volume (hypovolemic) hyponatremia
The amount of water in the body is too low as can occur in dehydration. The anti-diuretic hormone is stimulated, causing the kidneys to make very concentrated urine and hold onto water. This may be seen with excessive sweating and exercising in a hot environment. It can also occur in patients with excess fluid loss due to vomiting and diarrhea, pancreatitis, and burns.
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/hypon...m/page2_em.htm

So what did you learn?

A. Hyponatremia isn't only for marathon runners.
B. The environment that you work out in plays a part.
C. It is difficult to monitor the needs of an athlete. (are you ready to take the "magic wand" away from Mr. Ariza?)
D. It does not necessarily occur right after an event. It can also be chronic with no or little symptoms.
E. Can cause dark urine, which Floyd claimed to have.
F. Could be the reason an athlete is unable to urinate.


Once again, I'm not arguing that he had any form of hyponatremia. Just pointing out that you really have no idea what you are talking about.