Comments Thread For: Arum Reflects on Mayweather's IV, Pacquiao Shoulder Shot Scandal

[Zaroku]

Sad ain't it. best off all, with all that advantages he gets in Vegas (no need to elaborate). He decided to run and hugged for 12 rounds of excruciating borefest of a marathon event against a handicapped Pac that had a torn rotator cuff. pathetic. SMH

Hey bro, how often do you think bout a fight that is way beyond over.

[Spoon23]

Hey bro, how often do you think bout a fight that is way beyond over.

Question is I Had a months worth of vacation. You've been in Pac May thread since it's infancy. You never stopped. Day in day out. Like a crazed fanboy who can't get enough of Floyd's jock straps. How's it affecting your sanity?

Must be hard thinking life revolves around Floyd + jhonny + Mickey lol = suicidal tendencies? No? hahahaha

[Zaroku]

Question is I Had a months worth of vacation. You've been in Pac May thread since it's infancy. You never stopped. Day in day out. Like a crazed fanboy who can't get enough of Floyd's jock straps. How's it affecting your sanity?

Must be hard thinking life revolves around Floyd + jhonny + Mickey lol = suicidal tendencies? No? hahahaha

On the train home now, just wanted to tell you I loved you!

[Zaroku]

Question is I Had a months worth of vacation. You've been in Pac May thread since it's infancy. You never stopped. Day in day out. Like a crazed fanboy who can't get enough of Floyd's jock straps. How's it affecting your sanity?

Must be hard thinking life revolves around Floyd + jhonny + Mickey lol = suicidal tendencies? No? hahahaha

Is PAC the greatest slow motion fighter ever?

[Zaroku]

Question is I Had a months worth of vacation. You've been in Pac May thread since it's infancy. You never stopped. Day in day out. Like a crazed fanboy who can't get enough of Floyd's jock straps. How's it affecting your sanity?

Must be hard thinking life revolves around Floyd + jhonny + Mickey lol = suicidal tendencies? No? hahahaha

Lord Ployd humiliate PAC end of story,Jhonny just ****, pick it up before I big chorizo slap you.

[Dosumpthin]

WT...! Floyd told you what he had and why he had it. Its time you start listening to your hero Floyd


LIES: When at least one if not all that is stated by Floyd is a lie then ..... its a LIE!!! If its a lie then Floyd was not saying the truth about why he needed that IV.


So who do you believe, Floyd from 2011 or Floyd from 2015?
"A lot of times, people don't realize, giving blood doesn't make you weak. Not being able to juice because you have to give blood makes you weak. That's what a lot of people don't realize and don't know."


Floyd lies AFTER the fact when he was told by his doctor Ariza what he had and why but you are thinking that Floyd is so dumb that he cannot even parrot what he had. Got it!

but

When Manny says something about his injury, he is a doctor to you and some other Floyd fans? Oh, that's different?
















Sorry but Floyd/Ellerbe volunteered to tell us on multiple interviews that he was dehydrated and why he was and that is why he needed an IV.



Again, its time you listen to Floyd. Show me the interview or article that Floyd had the runs. I would even accept a picture of a mustered stain on the ring floor ....








Again, its time you listen to Floyd. Show me the interview or article that Floyd said it was due to allergies.



My allergies can get very severe. I had to do an overnight at the hospital and breathe from an oxygen mask when I was younger. Its been better of late .... Hmmm but no IV .....





This is comical stuff ..... keep them coming!

You are trying so hard to prove Floyd is a liar. He may be a lot of things - but he has never came across as a liar.

I understand why you do this though.

Team Pac - they have been caught, exposed, discovered, admitted to, debunked over and over again. lying about negotiations, injuries, rehab, TUES FROM USADA (bwhahahah).


In order to justify Manny and Bob Arum shenanigans - you are on a mission to prove Floyd is as guilty of lying.

Lol. Poor pact@rd.




Floyd acknowledged he was dehydrated. Floyd stated what he believed to have helped contribute to dehydration. End of story. Still no word on the official diagnosis to what caused dehydration.



Bottom line -The only proof you have ever presented that Floyd is lying, is all based on speculation.

[Dosumpthin]

What? Who was saying this was similar? This is part of USADA's huge attack on Lance:

The 2001 Tour du Suisse (Tour of Switzerland) was conducted from June 19 – 28, 2001 and was won by Lance Armstrong. Armstrong told both Tyler Hamilton and Floyd Landis that he had tested positive for EPO at the 2001 Tour of Switzerland and stated or implied that he had been able to make the EPO test result go away. Armstrong’s conversation with Hamilton was in 2001, and he told Hamilton “his people had been in touch with UCI, they were going to have a meeting and everything was going to be ok.”

Consistent with the testimony of both Mr. Hamilton and Mr. Landis, Pat McQuaid, the current president of UCI, has acknowledged that during 2002, Lance Armstrong and Johan Bruyneel visited the UCI headquarters in Aigle in May 2002 and offered at least $100,000 to help the development of cycling. UCI vehemently denies that this meeting or payment was, as Mr. Armstrong told Mr. Hamilton and Mr. Landis, tied to a cover-up of the 2001 Tour de Suisse sample.

So you want to place Mayweather in this scenario and tell me how it works? It doesn't.

1. If Mayweather ever tested positive for anything, the independent WADA accredited lab would be required to notify WADA immediately.

2. Any speculation that you have regarding Floyd and WADA's relationship is just that. Speculation. I can speculate that Dr. Neal ElAttrache was a part of Pacquaio's entourage. Why else would he accompany Manny to his dressing room for the fight? Are you telling me that he had to be the doctor to shoot Manny up with Toradol? They couldn't get anyone else to do it besides the "world famous doctor"? Was he interested in bringing even more fame to his name by being affiliated with Pac? Was he there because he was paid handsomely? Did he just want free fight tickets? Sweet. I bet he had great seats!

By the way, now that we know it was ElAttrache in the dressing room, the world-renown doctor, can we discuss WHY WOULD HE ATTEMPT TO SHOOT UP PACQUIAO WITH TORADOL IF ACCORDING TO HIM PACQUIAO WAS AT FULL STRENGTH, AND WHY TORADOL INSTEAD OF A LOCAL NUMBING AGENT??? I NEVER KNEW ELATTRACHE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. DOES YOUR GOOD DOCTOR STILL SEEM SO GOOD???

Damn. Destroyed him. Damn.


The good doctor Elletrache. Lol. I wonder how much he charges to come to an athletes event with a syringe full of painkillers.


LMAO.

[ADP02]

Is this not recommendations from 2013??? It's WADA's job to stay on top of these types of things. I don't know what you think you are proving. You aren't proving anything of relevance to Floyd's case. So WADA needs to keep on top of their shlt. Good job.

But the report said its NOT! You think the issue is fixed? Well, I went further and told you that just recently, WADA was criticized AGAIN! Maybe to you that means "Good job?"

The point is what I said a while back. WADA does NOT have a special wand that makes them see what people try to hide. Its not as easy as that.

All I see is a RECOMMENDATION about what medications should receive a TUE. So WADA had a panel do this report in 2013 just for fun, or did they consider the recommendations. You're being ridiculous.

Its not just a recommendation. Its stating there are definite weaknesses with the Testing program.
When they say that they are seeing too many TUEs being handed out, its based on facts not just what they think.

Oh wait, this was just a deflection from you......

It's the case with Floyd because you say so? You have no facts, no proof. Nothing. Why don't you just say it's your speculation.

They mention that too many TUEs are being handed out and not for the right reasons. THey mention also that RETRO TUEs should only be handed out for emergency type situations.

Floyd just used it to go from mild dehydration to FULLY REHYDRATED athlete .... that is not why one would hand out a RETRO TUE.

Other ADOs have implemented what was said in that meeting. Here is Uk ADO on RETRO TUEs:
"Only in emergency situations (such as an allergic reaction, exacerbation of asthma, or the onset of Bell's palsy) should treatment begin without the necessary approval." Sounds familiar?


Floyd had no emergency type situation.

So are you saying that there will be no sanctions if USADA doesn't comply with the WADA protocol?

That is not my line. That is what they said.

What I said is that USADA can just follow the bare minimum in certain tests and that is what the committee reported as well. That there have been NADOs that just do enough.... but should have done more.

So let me get this straight. In the case of hyponatremia where hypertonic saline is needed (you should be an expert on this by now, I assume), an IV should not be allowed? Great. Let the athlete die.

Nope. This is not what Floyd had. Remember that Floyd thanked Dr Alex Ariza!!! How would Ariza know for sure when:

If it was then Floyd would have been sent to the hospital and properly diagnosed since its not easy to assess and treat(type of). If incorrectly treated, the athlete can have further complications or die. Furthermore, the athlete would need to be monitored and be properly medicated.

Secondly, in respect to athletes, this usually occurs right after an event such as a marathon where the athlete exerts himself for an extended period and may have drank during the race but did not sufficiently intake the amount of sodium that was required(imbalance). Floyd was NOT doing no marathon and this did not occur after any type of exercise. This happened after a weigh-in where Floyd was allowed to drink and eat both before and after. See below video on how Floyd packs it in before his weigh-in for the Maidana fight. If you forget, Floyd fought Maidana just before Manny. So we are not talking about a decade ago Floyd. Eating and drinking like that and Floyd still needs an IV? Geez!

You're just making up bullshlt. Are you trying to say WADA wasn't aware of this case and was too busy to get involved in any way?

It was just 2 athletes where there were no requests made to WADA for a review. So it was optional to even look at this. If they would, they would be verifying what? The documents given to them by Floyd/USADA .... and if it was compliant "enough". It was all figured out before they signed the contract with Manny.

The issue was in the details. Lance Armstrong supposedly required steroids as medication. It was signed and confirmed by a doctor. RETRO TUE approved.

Similar BS happened with Floyd.

Your problem is that you don't understand what is meant by independent. VADA chooses which WADA accredited labs to use. Does that mean the labs are not independent?

Not sure where you are getting this "ideally independent" thing from. Here, it clearly states that the TUEC IS independent:

"Each the****utic use exemption request is reviewed by a The****utic Use Committee (TUEC), a panel of independent physicians responsible for granting or declining such applications."
http://www.222.casper207.com/files/a...0-%20Watts.pdf

Independent from what? From who? Like I said, USADA establishes their TUEC Committee.

WADA points out "Ideally independent" ..... so yes, I know and understand.

Are you referring to the TUEC? Go read up on WADA again, buddy. It says the TUEC members are required to sign the confidentiality agreement.

Statement reads just like a visit to your doctor they will know but they will not bring up your name outside of the clinics/hospital where the visit took place. If they need to sign a NDA then it must be for a reason.

Dude, the rules have been in effect for a long time and the rules are clear. IV rehydration is prohibited WITHOUT A TUE.

When would they request for an IV and for what?

After the weigh-in, most are in worse shape than Floyd ever was and Floyd brings up right after he got the IV his advantages over others!!!!

Floyd admits that its an advantage for Floyd because others intentionally dehydrate themselves 10-15-20lbs too much and that is not a good thing for their body while Floyd has not had to do that since his walking weight is 150, 148 for a decade...... This does NOT sound like a guy who just got an IV for dehydration.

and how would they be allowed to get a TUE for an IV when they would all be told this:
"It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion."


So for mild to moderate dehydration, use the alternative ..... that is, orally rehydrate!

The athlete who has a better case is the one that can prove the need of an IV to the TUEC and have it pass through WADA, as Floyd did. Simple. No need for speculation.

Floyd's BS excuses does NOT pass the test.

Yes it would have been simple if it was anyone but Floyd ..... but the dilemma for USADA was that it was Floyd and it was Floyd who got them into the door as far as boxing is concerned. So there was a HUGE conflict of interest here.

If USADA does not approve the TUE, you think that Haymon and Floyd will request their services again?

Don't tell me that you cannot see this?

Are you privy to Floyd's medical condition that was obviously noted by the independent TUEC and sent in to WADA? Didn't think so.

Floyd's medical condition? This never stopped you as far as what Manny had as an injury even though we both know that his doctor said it was a FULL THICKNESS TEAR and there was surgery and confirmation by other doctor many months later that it still was not fully healed.

As far as Floyd's condition, we know what he had and why. They said why AFTER the fact. They had other opportunities to correct their statements but they did not. What did they do ? They doubled down on their BS and thanked Dr Alex Ariza!!!!


Why does Floyd thank Dr Alex Ariza? It because Ariza is the one who told Floyd to take the IV!!!

In Lance's time there was no EPO test, which is why he was able to cheat. Paid of WADA? Are you serious? The tests that he paid his way out of was apparently due to him paying off the UCI. Again, the system that Floyd was placed in doesn't work that way. There are a network of independent en****** that would have to be gone through.



Who exactly did Lance pay off? Do tell, because I think you are just pulling shlt out of your ass.



Whose test was it? Who warned him? Why was USADA still up his ass?



Yea, because Floyd smuggled his IV instead of getting approval ahead of time. Oh wait, that's not right, is it?



When did the EPO test first come out? How many tests did he REALLY pass. What was the nature of these tests?



WRONG. Already showed you that what he did was against UCI's rules. Don't know why you keep making shlt up.



SO WADA was able to get the information after the fact. Ok? How does this relate to Floyd at all??? Just more of your speculation?




Including Manny, right? According to Arum. What you don't realize is that the bullshlt you type is so full of speculation that it can apply to any athlete. It's merely fiction on your part. All made up scenarios.

You have no facts at all. Once again, do you really think WADA hasn't heard of this controversy? Please tell me what you think.

1) That's lame. Lance still got caught but they got the RETRO this and that and all was good. Just like Floyd.
PLUS, Lance still did things to avoid being tested or tested positive.

2) Lance representatives paid off UCI by donating for PEDs testing. At the time, it didn't look like something bad perhaps but once everyone found out that Lance was using PEDs ...... well, USADA later called that unethical.

Others have reported that Lance paid them off directly or indirectly (athletes, organizers, doctors ......) you can check it out as well.

3) It does not matter who warned him. The point is that it happened and one cannot just say that "it makes no sense" like you do. It can and did happen.

4) But why did Lance hide when he was still allowed to get out of trouble? I'm just asking you this type of weird questions because that is what you would say.

The point is even if Lance pays off people, he cannot payoff everyone and the best thing for him is to NOT get caught. If he does, he needed to go threw more hoops and possibly the wrong guy would eventually find out. Someone he didn't payoff.

5) Its not important ..... EPO was not the only PED Lance used .... and they can still measure his blood levels. So that is why he would use an IV. To bring down his HT levels as an example.

6) There are examples of where there are rules but they are rarely applied. This was one of those cases where the UCI was lenient and as long as you can get yourself a medical form and send it to them whether it be before or after the race, its OK. You know, just like Floyd did 3 weeks after the fact!!!

"But Lance should have notified ...."
Why did you NOT just say WRONG to yourself when you responded to me that Floyd broke the rules in that he should have notified NSAC and his medical condition too? Oh wait, that's different.


For me, Lance, Floyd and yes even Manny not checking the right box was wrong and so for me, all 3 should have been at the very least investigated. Lance was investigated, Manny was to be but then once Floyd and the IV scandal came out, the NSAC closed the door on all investigations.

7) You mentioned something about Floyd's name is not mentioned but his number only is ..... I'm just pointing out that it can still be identified if someone really wants to and that the system is NOT bullet proof. WADA was in hot water and knew it when they linked Lance even though Lance's name was not on the samples.

[ADP02]

1. Who has NSAC ever found to be dehydrated before a fight. Please let me know. Which fighter has ever declared him/herself to be dehydrated on their NSAC report form. Please let me know.

2. That's idiotic. He was drug tested after the IV. Obviously whatever was in them would show up on the tests.

3. Both sides of my mouth? NSAC themselves said Floyd did nothing wrong, so I don't think you know what you are talking about. It's obvious that they don't care about dehydration.

4. Your response about the TUEC was weak. You should try again.

1. See other post ..... Lance/UCI You responded differently when UCI was lenient.

2. Why? What if they used something that cannot be traced with the current tests? perhaps as a masking agent. Go ask Memo Heredia, he has 20 ways to lead USADA in the wrong direction.

3. UCI did the same.

4. Nope. You just do not want to understand.

[ADP02]

I just showed you what he said about 2 weeks. You're still making up lies.



Why didn't you answer the question. Does giving blood contribute to dehydration?



I know that you aren't ******. There is a huge difference here. Pacquiao was unwilling to fight because of the threat of having to give blood 2 weeks before a fight. You, of all people, should find that su****ious, right? Righttttt?

Now answer the question. Does giving blood contribute to dehydration? Yes or no? It's a simple question.

I know that giving blood can affect some people. I have a friend that on a couple of occasions fainted. Once while giving blood and another was when he was injured and lost some blood. It affects him more than others. Still, it was more than 1 tablespoon + it happened soon after.

Floyd on the other hand gave < 1 tablespoon about 10 days before the IV scandal. Completely different scenario.


For Manny it was a concern because his only experience was against Morales where he felt that it affected him. So Manny did not want to give away such an advantage. Whether it was physical or psychological.

For Floyd, he said that it would not affect to give blood (in 2011). So did USADA say that on their website. Certainly not after 10 days. I can agree to that.
1) For Floyd, he did not have to worry. He could have used a loophole and got an IV if he felt weak!!!
2) USADA helped Floyd and threw Manny under the bus. Its not speculation. It actually happened. USADA knew that just like Manny's checkbox, Floyd did NOT notify NSAC at all. At least Manny's injury came up BEFORE, his meds were listed on the form and Manny didn't get his meds.

Floyd did get his meds and did NOT notify. Yet USADA only shot down Manny! Just crazy!



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