Comments Thread For: Griffin: Andre Ward is on Roy Jones' Level With His Boxing IQ

[Mike_R]

RJJ wasn't a low IQ guy- but his IQ was not the thing that made him special.

He had physical gifts that were pretty much out of this world.

I think Roy tried reset himself as a boxer after his Tarver and Johnson losses, but in his prime Roy seemed more unbeatable than any boxer has in the last 25 years.

[DreamerUSA]

If I'm not mistaken, Oscar was the favourite against Trinidad.

Hopkins was past his peak years.

Who else?

When was Oscar the underdog? Hopkins and Mayweather. Both win win situations for him.

Oscar didn't take any fight that was perceived as big a risk as Toney was.

Honestly the biggest risk Oscar took was Quartey imo. In hindsight it was'nt as big a risk as Toney, but that was still a hell of a risk at the time. Oscar took more overall risks imo. The only real negative I have with Roy is him not fighting Eubank, Benn, Collins or the German dudes name I'm not even going to try and wreck by spelling it.

[Motofan]

Never in my life thought of Roy and ring IQ. Roy got by on superhuman reflexes and talent. Which is why once the reflexes slowed he became a sitting duck who could not adjust.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Toneys was considered P4P #1 and was the favourite.

The only time Oscar did that was when he was passed his best and had everything to gain and nothing to lose.

That fight with Hopkins was for the undisputed title because Oscar fought what he thought was a weak champion in Sturm expecting an easy belt and the cherry pick went wrong (happened a lot with Oscar) then when he fought Hopkins everyone knew he was going to lose because we'd just seen him lose to Sturm and get the decision. Another case of him having everything to gain and nothing to lose.

I call bull**** on that one because he even offered Winky Wright a fight. He also fought Quartey, a fight where he had much to lose.

Since you're part of the anti cheater squad, why praise someone like Toney as something so great? He cheated! Since he cheated, his resume should be in question and in turn, the win shouldn't be all that right?

It was undisputed. You mentioned odds, Hopkins was just a 2-1 favorite. That is why I don't like to debate **** regarding odds much. Too many ways to flip shit.

Stop with the took risks. Oscar was the most calculated fighter of the past 25 years.

Who else took risks more than DLH then? Floyd? Two of Floyd's best 10 wins have come from guys DLH beat first.

[IronDanHamza]

I call bull**** on that one because he even offered Winky Wright a fight. He also fought Quartey, a fight where he had much to lose.

Since you're part of the anti cheater squad, why praise someone like Toney as something so great? He cheated! Since he cheated, his resume should be in question and in turn, the win shouldn't be all that right?

It was undisputed. You mentioned odds, Hopkins was just a 2-1 favorite. That is why I don't like to debate **** regarding odds much. Too many ways to flip shit.




Who else took risks more than DLH then? Floyd? Two of Floyd's best 10 wins have come from guys DLH beat first.

You call bull**** on what?

He did offer Winky a fight and Winky turned it down.

As for Quartey, good fight but again, Quartey wasn't looking good when Oscar fought him. Oscar's "risks" look a lot better on paper than they are in reality.

I'm not part of the anti cheater squad.

I don't rate Toney highly regardless of his multiple failed tests. But what I'm telling you is the perceived "risk" at the time and I can tell you caterogorically that Oscar never took a risk in his career as big as that one was for Roy Jones.

Yes it was undisputied, looks nice on paper. But you've just ignored the fact it was undisputed because he attempted to get an easy belt from Sturm and actually should have lost. Everybody and their grandmother knew that Oscar was going to lose to Hopkins. Oscar was in a win win situation in that fight.

[Mr.Fantastic]

You call bull**** on what?

He did offer Winky a fight and Winky turned it down.

As for Quartey, good fight but again, Quartey wasn't looking good when Oscar fought him. Oscar's "risks" look a lot better on paper than they are in reality.

I'm not part of the anti cheater squad.

I don't rate Toney highly regardless of his multiple failed tests. But what I'm telling you is the perceived "risk" at the time and I can tell you caterogorically that Oscar never took a risk in his career as big as that one was for Roy Jones.

Yes it was undisputied, looks nice on paper. But you've just ignored the fact it was undisputed because he attempted to get an easy belt from Sturm and actually should have lost. Everybody and their grandmother knew that Oscar was going to lose to Hopkins. Oscar was in a win win situation in that fight.

Where had everything to gain and nothing to lose. He had much to lose in a lot of fights.

He had less than 25 fights and fights Whitaker who was a top 5 P4P, who the **** in this day and age does that? He didn't had to fight Whitaker either. He was already fighting for a championship on his 12th fight.


You mentioned odds to begin with, I mentioned it too, it was 2-1 and sure to me and you it was easy to see but not to the regular crowd. Most people are idiots when it comes to boxing. I bet you if it were to of been Floyd or any boxer from today in Oscar's shoes, they wouldn't of taken the fight against Hopkins.

[IronDanHamza]

Where had everything to gain and nothing to lose. He had much to lose in a lot of fights.

He had less than 25 fights and fights Whitaker who was a top 5 P4P, who the **** in this day and age does that? He didn't had to fight Whitaker either. He was already fighting for a championship on his 12th fight.


You mentioned odds to begin with, I mentioned it too, it was 2-1 and sure to me and you it was easy to see but not to the regular crowd. Most people are idiots when it comes to boxing. I bet you if it were to of been Floyd or any boxer from today in Oscar's shoes, they wouldn't of taken the fight against Hopkins.

I didn't say all of his fights, I just said in some of his fights.

Whitaker was a calculated risk. He fought Whitaker when he looked beatable. Oscar did that more than once. IMDAZED is right in saying he took calculated risks.

I mentioned odds in regards to Oscar being the favourite against Trinidad. Not just by the oddsmakers but by the fans. Unlike Roy who was the opposite against Toney.

Hopkins-Oscar is just a classic example of hindsight being 20-20. At the time, Oscar was seen as being on the slide, lost a close one to Shane and got a gift against Sturm. He fought Hopkins in what was a cash grab. And a lot was going on behind the scenes and some shady business all round but that's another story.

[Mr.Fantastic]

I didn't say all of his fights, I just said in some of his fights.

Whitaker was a calculated risk. He fought Whitaker when he looked beatable. Oscar did that more than once. IMDAZED is right in saying he took calculated risks.

I mentioned odds in regards to Oscar being the favourite against Trinidad. Not just by the oddsmakers but by the fans. Unlike Roy who was the opposite against Toney.

Hopkins-Oscar is just a classic example of hindsight being 20-20. At the time, Oscar was seen as being on the slide, lost a close one to Shane and got a gift against Sturm. He fought Hopkins in what was a cash grab. And a lot was going on behind the scenes and some shady business all round but that's another story.

Floyd look beatable vs Maidana also and look what happened when he fought Pacquiao. Plus Oscar didn't have much experience and it showed. It wasn't a calculated risk like people make it out to be. I laugh at that **** cause people forget Oscar had less than 25 fights. So you admit Oscar was that good?
Plus Whitaker won by knockout in his previous fight. If you watch any highlight, it shows that exact same fight with Whitaker knocking dude out.

Common now! You don't speak for all the fans and neither do I. Ask a PR that **** back in the days, most picked Tito, even some Mexicans picked Tito. Trust me I know because I remember having a discussion with people at the barber shop about that fight before that fight happened.


WTF?!?! A cash grab against one of the best MWs of all time for the undisputed title? If you're aiming to be great, that is a great title to have is it not?

[IronDanHamza]

Floyd look beatable vs Maidana also and look what happened when he fought Pacquiao. Plus Oscar didn't have much experience and it showed. It wasn't a calculated risk like people make it out to be. I laugh at that **** cause people forget Oscar had less than 25 fights. So you admit Oscar was that good?
Plus Whitaker won by knockout in his previous fight. If you watch any highlight, it shows that exact same fight with Whitaker knocking dude out.

Common now! You don't speak for all the fans and neither do I. Ask a PR that **** back in the days, most picked Tito, even some Mexicans picked Tito. Trust me I know because I remember having a discussion with people at the barber shop about that fight before that fight happened.


WTF?!?! A cash grab against one of the best MWs of all time for the undisputed title? If you're aiming to be great, that is a great title to have is it not?

What does fact Floyd liked beatable against Maidana have to do with anything?

Oscar was fresh, in his prime, a 3 weight champion and Whitaker was coming off 3 poor performances against unranked opponents. He knocked Hurtado out, but was well behind on the scorecards. Oscar saw that he looked vulnerable and took a calculated risk.

Yeah a lot of people did pick Tito. I don't dispute that was a big risk I'm merely pointing out that it wasn't seen as big of a risk as Toney was for Roy. None of Oscar's fights were.

Yes a cash grab. You can keep repeating that it was for the "undisputied title" and ignore the fact that he got that belt but robbing it from Sturm. It's not a risk when everyone knows you're going to lose. If he loses, ok everyone saw that coming. If he does well and loses, well done you did better than we expected, if he wins, amazing. I.e a win win situation.