Comments Thread For: Griffin: Andre Ward is on Roy Jones' Level With His Boxing IQ

[IronDanHamza]

Exactly, if Roy had just relied on athleticism he would have been figured out and lost well before he did. The reason he was so dominant is he had the ring IQ to complement his insane talent. Otherwise he would have been like the variety of other super fast boxers who got timed and beaten throughout their careers.

Like I said, just listen to him commentate. He knows the sport remarkably well. That knowledge showed in the ring throughout his career. That's why he could go an entire fight without using a jab, jump to heavyweight, and use the jab to perfection against Ruiz.

It's foolish to think Roy had only his gifts and nothing else. That can only take you so far.

Look at Meldrick Taylor for instance.

[Metho_4u]

Dlh took some risks, but to suggest that Roy didn't isn't a fair argument. The fact is that Roy was too good for EVERYONE at that time. He had all the physical, gifts, couple that with boxing ability and ring iq, and you have an unbeatable fighter.

[Mr.Fantastic]

If we are talking perceived risk, what fight did De La Hoya take in his peak years that was considered as risky as the James Toney fight for Roy?

Felix Trinidad and others. He even took on Bernard Hopkins(although at a bitch catch weight) when he didn't have to.

The risks between DLH and Jones is nowhere close. Not saying Toney wasn't a great win btw.

[Joe Beamish]

I don't think of Jones as a "boxing IQ" guy. That's Floyd and Hopkins. He was superior athleticism, WAY superior.

[Kigali]

Felix Trinidad and others. He even took on Bernard Hopkins(although at a bitch catch weight) when he didn't have to.

The risks between DLH and Jones is nowhere close. Not saying Toney wasn't a great win btw.

How many bi.tch catchweights has Pactrash been involved in?

Dumb little Goblin.

[Mr.Fantastic]

How many bi.tch catchweights has Pactrash been involved in?

Dumb little Goblin.

And I called them bitch moves like the catch weight Floyd did to Canelo.

[IronDanHamza]

Felix Trinidad and others. He even took on Bernard Hopkins(although at a bitch catch weight) when he didn't have to.

The risks between DLH and Jones is nowhere close. Not saying Toney wasn't a great win btw.

If I'm not mistaken, Oscar was the favourite against Trinidad.

Hopkins was past his peak years.

Who else?

When was Oscar the underdog? Hopkins and Mayweather. Both win win situations for him.

Oscar didn't take any fight that was perceived as big a risk as Toney was.

[Mr.Fantastic]

If I'm not mistaken, Oscar was the favourite against Trinidad.

Hopkins was past his peak years.

Who else?

When was Oscar the underdog? Hopkins and Mayweather. Both win win situations for him.

Oscar didn't take any fight that was perceived as big a risk as Toney was.

That fight with Oscar got Hopkins the undisputed title if I remember correctly.

As far as Oscar being the underdog, not sure off the top of my head which fights.

Big risk? Toney was a slight favorite, don't make it seem like Jones was some huge underdog.

[IronDanHamza]

That fight with Oscar got Hopkins the undisputed title if I remember correctly.

As far as Oscar being the underdog, not sure off the top of my head which fights.

Big risk? Toney was a slight favorite, don't make it seem like Jones was some huge underdog.

Toneys was considered P4P #1 and was the favourite.

The only time Oscar did that was when he was passed his best and had everything to gain and nothing to lose.

That fight with Hopkins was for the undisputed title because Oscar fought what he thought was a weak champion in Sturm expecting an easy belt and the cherry pick went wrong (happened a lot with Oscar) then when he fought Hopkins everyone knew he was going to lose because we'd just seen him lose to Sturm and get the decision. Another case of him having everything to gain and nothing to lose.

[IMDAZED]

If they both took risks like DLH, their boxing IQ wouldn't be as great. Bet anything on that.

Stop with the took risks. Oscar was the most calculated fighter of the past 25 years.