Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Coach: DeGale at 168 Was Fine, Hearn Offered Brook

[aboutfkntime]

Yea, but remember: September 10 in London. Dirrell is an American with zero fiscal advantages in the UK. The negotiation process would have had to start all over again. They would have had to scrap the whole event, & they probably could have gotten another fighter to fight somewhere in the states. But by now they're losing more time & more money by doing so. Viable options is what I argue about. GGG's team was looking for viable British fighters to make his UK debut with. That's why they traveled to London after BJS won the WBO, to scope out British boxers & gauge if they'd take a fight with them. That was DeGale, that was Eubank Jr, & that was BJS. Brook was the one who signed. Call it a mismatch if you want. But it wasn't a cherry pick. In order to cherry pick, a boxer needs to have more options than what was available to GGG.

For once in your life, stop being an ignorant fanboy clown !!

You have completely missed the point, AGAIN !

Just like you did on the other post when you told me that Pep had won 2 lineal titles, and that there were 2 official sanctioning bodies back when Pep was fighting..... instead of blindly making stuff up, why not give some thought to the actual question.

The list of fighters since 2013 is Dirrell, Mora, Ward, Lara, Canelo, Cotto..... and for every single one of those potential opponents, you have a pile of dumb-**** excuses......

..... the guy is supposed to be a fighter who can beat everyone, so why do you feel compelled to provide a list of childish excuses to justify why he will not step up and fight those guys?

[Jewish-Reptile]

I remember when lil g was thought of as some monster just 6 months ago, boy how fast things can change.

I am envious of those belts Triple Duck has in your avatar, are those the Super Chicken Soup and Silver Tomato Soup belts ?

[JUNIABOY]

For once in your life, stop being an ignorant fanboy clown !!

You have completely missed the point, AGAIN !

Just like you did on the other post when you told me that Pep had won 2 lineal titles, and that there were 2 official sanctioning bodies back when Pep was fighting..... instead of blindly making stuff up, why not give some thought to the actual question.

The list of fighters since 2013 is Dirrell, Mora, Ward, Lara, Canelo, Cotto..... and for every single one of those potential opponents, you have a pile of dumb-**** excuses......

..... the guy is supposed to be a fighter who can beat everyone, so why do you feel compelled to provide a list of childish excuses to justify why he will not step up and fight those guys?

Hype man, you need to go tell those guys on your list to step up & fight GGG. Instead of trolling GGG sites, why aren't you on contacting these boxers you list & ask them why they won't take the GGG fight right now?...you go & do your work. I don't need to go over deatils with you regarding the two recognized world boxing organizations that existed while Willie Pep fought (NYCSAC & NBA or WBA)...just go. No, you don't need to hang around for me to explain to you that there was no need for a lineal title to exist while Willie Pep fought...just go because all you're going to hear is me explaining that a lineal title exists today because of the 4 recognized boxing organizations. Go do your work. You're the hype man, build hype for the fights. Hype man, go back to work.

[aboutfkntime]

Hype man, you need to go tell those guys on your list to step up & fight GGG. Instead of trolling GGG sites, why aren't you on contacting these boxers you list & ask them why they won't take the GGG fight right now?...you go & do your work. I don't need to go over deatils with you regarding the two recognized world boxing organizations that existed while Willie Pep fought (NYCSAC & NBA or WBA)...just go. No, you don't need to hang around for me to explain to you that there was no need for a lineal title to exist while Willie Pep fought...just go because all you're going to hear is me explaining that a lineal title exists today because of the 4 recognized boxing organizations. Go do your work. You're the hype man, build hype for the fights. Hype man, go back to work.

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You already got schooled on that over at the other thread.....

Good effort, you have obviously been listening/thinking..... but you are still totally clueless about lineage.

Well done for finally figuring out that lineage only exists because of the multiple sanctioning organisations..... it took you awhile, you really were dumb when you told me that Pep won 2 lineal titles.

But yea, you still don't know **** about boxing.

Pep was not a lineal champ, because he was a REAL champ..... he did not have the "opportunity" (LMAO) to fight for the prestigious lineal title..... so you telling me that Barrera is greater than Pep, because Barrera won the "lineal" title..... makes me want to hit you with a spade.

"It might not be true in the eyes of boxing fans".....

..... genius, knowledgeable boxing fans disregard lineage because they know that it is totally irrelevant. If you have a real hard think about what you have learnt over the last 2 days you will understand why.

Lineage is just a triangle theory, and triangle theories do not work in boxing..... the lineage since Hopkins - that I posted for you earlier - proves that 100%.

You..... thinking that Canelo is some great middleweight champion, because he won the "lineal" title (RAWR, the crowd goes wild)..... when in reality, all he did is beat lil old 153lb Cotto..... makes you look pretty dumb.

Canelo has never faced a middleweight opponent..... not one, EVER !

Do what you did yesterday..... go away, have a think about what I have said..... then come back and try again.

..... but props for your effort so far ^^

Stevenson is a belt-holder..... that is all.

And Canelo is a middleweight paper-champ..... that is all.


































If you prefer..... and if I was dishonest..... or if I was a Golovkin hater..... I would decide to agree with you.....

..... but then, I would do something like this.....


All hail the Lineal Middleweight Champion OF THE WORLD.....

..... and lil-G's middleweight daddy..... CANELOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !





But lucky for you I am not dishonest.

[aboutfkntime]

..... are you a canelo-tard, or what..... ?

JUNIAFAN.....

Tell me what you think of Canelo's middleweight " reign "..... is the right word, I guess..... ?

NOTE: don't give me any fcukery, just names.....

Here, I will speed up this banter by 1 post-reply.....

* the lil old 153lb JMW, Cotto
* the lil chinny welter, Khan

Tell me why YOU think that historians should even mention Canelo and middleweight in the same sentence?

He is a paper-champ in almost every regard.

Why get so hung up on something so flawed ?

One of the more popular knocks on Andre Ward when it comes to P4P discussion is, inactivity/lesser opponents..... even if Stevenson beats Williams - and he probably will - if Ward beats Kovalev, and a couple of the up-and-comers manage to grab a good win..... Stevenson will find himself out of the top5 for the same reasoning people apply to Ward..... but the point is, he is not currently the best LHW on the planet, so ranking by lineage is ridiculous.

So why get so hung up on something so flawed ?

You should have another think about the " lineage " since Hopkins that I posted you earlier..... and an intriguing thought that I didn't mention earlier is the lineal MW Champion Kelly Pavlik LOSING to Hopkins..... at 170, sure..... but LOSING in exquisite fashion nonetheless LMAO..... that result had nothing to do with the weight.

Styles make fights, and triangle-theories do not work in boxing..... lineage is just a triangle-theory, and you have given it waaay too much air-time.

[JUNIABOY]

For once in your life, stop being an ignorant fanboy clown !!

You have completely missed the point, AGAIN !

Just like you did on the other post when you told me that Pep had won 2 lineal titles, and that there were 2 official sanctioning bodies back when Pep was fighting..... instead of blindly making stuff up, why not give some thought to the actual question.

The list of fighters since 2013 is Dirrell, Mora, Ward, Lara, Canelo, Cotto..... and for every single one of those potential opponents, you have a pile of dumb-**** excuses......

..... the guy is supposed to be a fighter who can beat everyone, so why do you feel compelled to provide a list of childish excuses to justify why he will not step up and fight those guys?

Come on, hype man. Now you're just arguing so you can win an argument...but the problem is you can't win this argument. You're blindly foraging ahead with this lineal argument when it does nothing to support your argument that Canelo's lineal title doesn't matter. News flash: it does! Who cares what I said about Willie Pep. Your argument has always been everything against GGG. But this line of argumentation isn't helping your stance at all. The lineal title is still under Canelo. And since he has that, he's still a MW champion of sorts. You seem to always be reaching on these arguments against GGG. The problem is that you refuse to acknowledge that others are ducking him. That's why you need to go back to work, hype man.

[Kigali]

DeGale isn't as talented or as much of a draw is as Brook is over here in the UK but sure it would have been a good fight one I think GGG would have likely easily won.

So GG had a chance to fight a bigger guy but chose the smaller one...not surprised at all by his decision.

GGG just doesn't have the genes to dare to be great...it's not in his DNA.

Taking risks and challenges is not what he is about.

[JUNIABOY]

JUNIAFAN.....

Tell me what you think of Canelo's middleweight " reign "..... is the right word, I guess..... ?

NOTE: don't give me any fcukery, just names.....

Here, I will speed up this banter by 1 post-reply.....

* the lil old 153lb JMW, Cotto
* the lil chinny welter, Khan

Tell me why YOU think that historians should even mention Canelo and middleweight in the same sentence?

He is a paper-champ in almost every regard.

Why get so hung up on something so flawed ?

One of the more popular knocks on Andre Ward when it comes to P4P discussion is, inactivity/lesser opponents..... even if Stevenson beats Williams - and he probably will - if Ward beats Kovalev, and a couple of the up-and-comers manage to grab a good win..... Stevenson will find himself out of the top5 for the same reasoning people apply to Ward..... but the point is, he is not currently the best LHW on the planet, so ranking by lineage is ridiculous.

So why get so hung up on something so flawed ?

You should have another think about the " lineage " since Hopkins that I posted you earlier..... and an intriguing thought that I didn't mention earlier is the lineal MW Champion Kelly Pavlik LOSING to Hopkins..... at 170, sure..... but LOSING in exquisite fashion nonetheless LMAO..... that result had nothing to do with the weight.

Styles make fights, and triangle-theories do not work in boxing..... lineage is just a triangle-theory, and you have given it waaay too much air-time.

Canelo's reign as MW champion lasted 1 fight: a MW defense against Amir Khan. That's it. A short reign. But there he was. Champion over a division. A champion who would rather vacate than face his biggest challenge. Yet you refuse to believe in the reality. That's on you, hype man. It doesn't matter what weight Canelo won the titles at. And it doesn't matter who he faced to win those titles. The record shows that he was a MW champion, was the #1 MW in many rankings, & vacated because he's scared to fight GGG right now. A MW champion who doesn't want to defend is a joke of a champion. That's the problem you're going to encounter every time you bring Canelo up in reference to GGG. Canelo ducked. You can't stick up for that. Period. All this BS about you bringing up lineage doesn't affect the argument that Canelo is holding the MW lineal title...& doesn't want to defend or vacate that either. Canelo is the biggest duck in the world, but you prefer to attack the guy he ducked. You're no boxing fan. Go back to work, hype man.

[Kigali]

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You already got schooled on that over at the other thread.....

He sure did.

[JUNIABOY]

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You already got schooled on that over at the other thread.....

You're as dishonest as it gets, hype man. You prefer to denigrate GGG rather then criticize Canelo & others for ducking. That's on you. Even when all the evidence in the world tells you that all the guys you hype don't want to fight GGG right now, you still prefer to go off on your own tangent. Nothing makes sense with you. You're all over this lineage BS when your opinion of it's importance doesn't matter when the darn lineal titles exists in every single weight class, even MW. The fact that you would latch onto insignificant info is the reason why you're THE hype man, using your powers to hype troll in order to represent your deluded interests. Canelo still owns the MW lineal title & you know it. He's a f#ckin MW, who's apprently going to drop down to 154 for a fight. The only fact you should be concerned with is that Canelo had the GGG fight land right in his lap...he had the belts...he could have acquired more...& GGG is his biggest money fight right now...but he chose to duck instead. That's the only fact you should know. That should have shut you up, but you still found reason to criticize GGG for something Canelo did. You were probably never about the boxing to begin with. You just want to hate. Go back to work, hype man.