Ward > Mayweather jr ATG status if he beats Kovolov?

[Larry the boss]

no, but he'll have a win over a prime, undefeated, bigger pound for pound fighter, which is better than anything on floyd's resume. floyd's got better "names" [pacquiao, de la hoya, mosley,] but they were not at their peaks by any means, and pacquiao is markedly smaller than floyd.


barring kovalev having a bad rest of his career, of course, but i ddon't think that's going to happen. if he was going to be exposed as something less than we thought he was, it would have happened by now. two fights with pascal, fight with hopkins, sillakh, cleverly, we'd know by now.

Corrales was prime, bigger undefeated and p4p

[Larry the boss]

like what?

floyd's got a better resume because he went from 130 to 154 and was the best fighter on the planet, and he was undefeated over a 20 year hall of fame career, but who is a better win than moving up to beat a prime kovalev?

Moving up and beating a prime Castillo?

[daggum]

Corrales was prime, bigger undefeated and p4p

corrales resume at the time floyd fought him: manfredy and robert garcia hmmm yea p4p lmao. he was on hbo so they put him on the list. people complain about ggg with his 4 top 5 wins being on the list but say corrales was p4p?

[daggum]

Moving up and beating a prime Castillo?

he lost that fight and castillos resume at the time of fighting floy: debatable decision over stevie johnston and debatable draw against johnston, and cezar bezan. how is that on kovalev's level when he has destroyd 4 top 5 guys and beaten 6 top 10 guys?

[Scipio2009]

Does Ward become a greater boxer than little floyd on the all time greats list if he defeats Kovolov? I persinally already think Ward is greater than him but you know money makes the world go round and people look past great boxing accomplishments due to admiring the almighty dollar.

The simple answer is no, but he'd be on the cusp of the conversation.

Beating Kovalev, and beating Stevenson to unify the division gets him into the conversation, but he's got to, at some point, take that chance at cruiserweight/heavyweight (after a longterm run at 175lbs).

Floyd fought up from 130lbs, to max out for a dominant run 147lbs, before testing his luck at 154lbs (where he was, physically, out of his depth).

[daggum]

The simple answer is no, but he'd be on the cusp of the conversation.

Beating Kovalev, and beating Stevenson to unify the division gets him into the conversation, but he's got to, at some point, take that chance at cruiserweight/heavyweight (after a longterm run at 175lbs).

Floyd fought up from 130lbs, to max out for a dominant run 147lbs, before testing his luck at 154lbs (where he was, physically, out of his depth).

when did that dominant run at 147 take place?

was that the baldomir years where he avoided marg and cotto? or perhaps the time he waited until a 40 year old mosley was considered the best? or maybe when he "beat" pac in a disputed decision(clean punches remember boxing?) after waiting 5 years to fight him? that was a cherry pick hopscotch around run but you call it dominant lmao

[Scipio2009]

when did that dominant run at 147 take place?

was that the baldomir years where he avoided marg and cotto? or perhaps the time he waited until a 40 year old mosley was considered the best? or maybe when he "beat" pac in a disputed decision(clean punches remember boxing?) after waiting 5 years to fight him? that was a cherry pick hopscotch around run but you call it dominant lmao

bless your heart

[LacedUp]

No not at all. But Kovalev would be the best win on either resume.

[Code Red]

he's higher ranked than castillo and chico corrales were p4p.
i guess one can make the argument for corrales, but would you?


and manny was arguably higher p4p than kovalev, but let's face it, manny pacquiao hasn't been manny pacquiao for a long, long time. that guy was incredible in his prime, and the guy floyd fought was much more tame and had lost a lot physically.


personally, i think that if manny and kovalev were the same size that kovalev would knock manny out if they fought in october. that's more of a testament to manny fading than anything else, obviously, but floyd fought him a bit over a year ago, and when he was way, way past it.

I take it you were not watching boxing back when Floyd fought Corrales because if you were you wouldn't be arguing your case against Chico and for Kovalev. That fight was anticipated like Leonard-Hearns I. A shame that you trying to belittle it like its irrelevant.

[b00g13man]

Man, how is this even a conversation?