Ward > Mayweather jr ATG status if he beats Kovolov?

[Kagami Taiga]

and you're talking about angel manfredy, a guy who had honestly seen better days at 25 or 26 or whatever he was when they fought, and who was coming down in weight. pascal's not as good of a boxer as manfredy, but he did more in his career. pascal didnt' have a lot of skill,s but he was awkward, and had a chin and power and he ended up being more than the sum of his parts. LHW isn't HW, but it's certainly not LW. power and a chin get you much further. dude was the lineal LHW champion of the world.

pascal's win over dawson, a very good fighter and the guy who calzaghe and hopkins swerved for some time, is better than anything on manfreddy's resume. manfreddy had better moves, but pascal did more.


and finally there is the issue of weight that would lead me to think that ward beating kovalev may likely be a better win than any on floyd's resume [fight has to happen, and ward needs to win, and we need to know how.] corrales was a big 130 lber, but so was floyd mayweather. both had been at 130 lbs for a long time. floyd had been world champion at the weight for several years. ward's never fought a 175 lber in the top 10, and is really a 168 lber moving up and tuning up for 175 at this stage.

Pascal is VERY similar to Manfredy. Yes you can count his win against the nutcase known as Chad Dawson, a fight he squeaked by in. Manfredy couldn't do that I'll give you that, he got beat down every time he stepped up whereas Pascal did pull off the one win. With that said, the two aren't world's apart. Very very very similar.

And Corrales was pretty big for a 130 lber. He was no joke when Floyd fought him. I don't think you know or remember the hype surrounding him. But Floyd wasnt the favorite going into that fight. People were comparing it to Leonard vs. Hearns.

And Ward has been fighting at 174 for at least a year now. Imo, he's a 174 lber. If he had jumped up and fought Kov immediately then that would he a it different. But it is what it is. It would be a great win for either fighter. But Floyd definitely has very comparable wins.

[New England]

Yeah, but like others are arguing I wouldn't just use the p4p rankings here, I'm more looking at caliber of fighter. And while I think highly of Kovalev and where he is heading (win or lose against Ward), I can't say he is a better win than any of the many great wins Mayweather has. Corrales, Castillo, and Pac are were all really good wins over really good fighters. Pac was definitely pretty far past it but he was still good enough to embarrass welterweight contenders before and after the Mayweather loss.

But I keep an open mind to Kovalev proving to be a better win in the future. I just can't say it right now.

i agree that the top of the p4p rankings was better in 2001 than it was now, adn that kovalev wouldn't be top 2 at that point in time.

i don't agree that corrales is a better fighter than sergey kovalev, or more specifically that he's a win better win for floyd mayweather than a win over kovalev would be for andre ward.


i honestly believe kovalev's a better fighter than chico corrales was in 2001, and that he's going to have a significantly better career. maybe i am wrong. we obviously have hte benefit of seeing corrales entire career, his wins and losses, and i have to guess a bit about how kovalev's career is going to turn out. again, i may be wrong about kovalev. i think he's got the goods.

add in the weight, and that ward's fighting a larger fighter while floyd was fighting a fellow long term 130 lber, and i think it's clear that a convincing win would be a more significant accomplishment than beating corrales in 2001.

[AddiX]

The name recognition of Floyds resume is extremely hard for anyone to beat, in our lifetime, with the way the business is right now, we may never see a fighters resume with the name recognition that Floyd has on his.

The names aren't available, and the ones that are, seem impossible to get in the ring. (on the bright side i do expect this change soon for very specific reasons)

But I do agree that Ward belongs in that conversation. He also still has a lot of career left if he decides to keep it going.

[New England]

Pascal is VERY similar to Manfredy. Yes you can count his win against the nutcase known as Chad Dawson, a fight he squeaked by in. Manfredy couldn't do that I'll give you that, he got beat down every time he stepped up whereas Pascal did pull off the one win. With that said, the two aren't world's apart. Very very very similar.

And Corrales was pretty big for a 130 lber. He was no joke when Floyd fought him. I don't think you know or remember the hype surrounding him. But Floyd wasnt the favorite going into that fight. People were comparing it to Leonard vs. Hearns.

And Ward has been fighting at 174 for at least a year now. Imo, he's a 174 lber. If he had jumped up and fought Kov immediately then that would he a it different. But it is what it is. It would be a great win for either fighter. But Floyd definitely has very comparable wins.

what other wins on floyd's resume do you think would be a better win than a prime, pound for pound kovalev?

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and trust, if i can talk angel manfredy, i can talk chico freaking corrales . i don't think there's a recorded fight of any of the fighters we've discussed that i have not seen.

[AddiX]

i agree that the top of the p4p rankings was better in 2001 than it was now, adn that kovalev wouldn't be top 2 at that point in time.

i don't agree that corrales is a better fighter than sergey kovalev, or more specifically that he's a win better win for floyd mayweather than a win over kovalev would be for andre ward.


i honestly believe kovalev's a better fighter than chico corrales was in 2001, and that he's going to have a significantly better career. maybe i am wrong. we obviously have hte benefit of seeing corrales entire career, his wins and losses, and i have to guess a bit about how kovalev's career is going to turn out. again, i may be wrong about kovalev. i think he's got the goods.

add in the weight, and that ward's fighting a larger fighter while floyd was fighting a fellow long term 130 lber, and i think it's clear that a convincing win would be a more significant accomplishment than beating corrales in 2001.

I think your underestimating how good and how tough Chico was, but most of all, how freaking huge he was.

His ability and size in at that weight class was scary.

If Chico was around today, he would be avoided just like GGG.

[fourtheboys96]

Winning the Super 6 was great. But honestly, who is a sure HOFer in that group?
Who which HOFer fighter did Ward beat?

I am not even a Floyd fan.

[Grimgash]

Again this thread is a what if type scenario. All in all it depends how careers pan out and what Ward does IF he wins. It comes down to a lot of factors, but just beating Kov isn't going to surpass Floyd...he needs a lot more but like I said....if he has the drive....he can do it.

[Bushbaby]

i don;t think floyd was significanty larger, if even larger at all, than corrales. corrales was about as big a 130 lber as you're gonna see.


josh clottey was a big welterweight. showtime unofficially weighed him and he was 170 lbs. not saying those scales are the be all end all, but that's still a solid welterwegith even if the scale is 10 lbs heavy

My point is/was, is that Chico was not a big fighter. Yes at 130 he was big, he was a good 135lber. But Floyd filled out to be a welterweight. Chico had no business there.

[The Hammer]

Does Ward become a greater boxer than little floyd on the all time greats list if he defeats Kovolov? I persinally already think Ward is greater than him but you know money makes the world go round and people look past great boxing accomplishments due to admiring the almighty dollar.

Right now we have a thread on this page saying:

"Kovalev: A knockout waiting to happen"

Many are saying today Kovalev isn't much good.

If that's true, Andre Ward defeating Sergey Kovalev will be meaningless.

[Larry the boss]

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!