Canelo and Golovkin are Pulling a Mayweather/Pacquiao

[Kagami Taiga]

pbp i respect your opinion but is it possible that GGG has tried to make the best fights that he possibly can in his division and in the 11th hour... with 2 months left to go after months and months of negotiations with other fighters (Canelo BJS, Eubank) they accepted a fight that was put in front of them.

There is zero excuse for a career MW fighting a career WW. Period. Moving on.

[DoktorSleepless]

Lara was reportedly pricing himself out behind Haymon.

No such report exists.

[FrankieClutch]

If I'm understanding what you're saying correctly, you're trying to say because Oscar/Canelo isn't making the fight that GGG is also going to take much less riskier fights until he gets Canelo? I agree with that

[Irony123]

There is zero excuse for a career MW fighting a career WW. Period. Moving on.

it has happened before (see Hagler) and similar situations happened at otherweight classes (mayweather vs. Marquez)... this is a debate forum not a black and white/ yes or no discussion.

[-PBP-]

pbp i respect your opinion but is it possible that GGG has tried to make the best fights that he possibly can in his division and in the 11th hour... with 2 months left to go after months and months of negotiations with other fighters (Canelo BJS, Eubank) they accepted a fight that was put in front of them.

I read numerous boxing articles everyday. What usually happens is you have a hitlist and if one guy gets scratched off, you move down the list. I look at the guys you listed and:

1. We all knew damn well Canelo was not taking the fight in September. So K2 should have known too. (In fact, Abel mentioned they knew)

2. Billy Hoe Saunders will never fight GGG. We all know that. The name "Hoe" speaks for itself. So K2 should have known too.

3. After negotiations with Eubank hit a brickwall, they should have known he was bluffing. Common sense, why would Eubank and Hoe fight GGG when they can make equal or more money fighting each other for less risk?

4. Jacobs is hiding behind Haymon and wants $10 million.


So at this stage, I don't excuse K2 for making this move because if we all know that the 4 stooges would duck the fight, then they should have known too.

To me, they obviously want the big names. But they are eating comfortably off the easy work. Well enough that there is no sense of urgency to take that big risk.

[-PBP-]

If I'm understanding what you're saying correctly, you're trying to say because Oscar/Canelo isn't making the fight that GGG is also going to take much less riskier fights until he gets Canelo? I agree with that

This guy gets it.

[Irony123]

I read numerous boxing articles everyday. What usually happens is you have a hitlist and if one guy gets scratched off, you move down the list. I look at the guys you listed and:

1. We all knew damn well Canelo was not taking the fight in September. So K2 should have known too. (In fact, Abel mentioned they knew)

2. Billy Hoe Saunders will never fight GGG. We all know that. The name "Hoe" speaks for itself. So K2 should have known too.

3. After negotiations with Eubank hit a brickwall, they should have known he was bluffing. Common sense, why would Eubank and Hoe fight GGG when they can make equal or more money fighting each other for less risk?

4. Jacobs is hiding behind Haymon and wants $10 million.


So at this stage, I don't excuse K2 for making this move because if we all know that the 4 stooges would duck the fight, then they should have known too.

To me, they obviously want the big names. But they are eating comfortably off the easy work. Well enough that there is no sense of urgency to take that big risk.

Maybe so but then they shouldn't ever try to make any of these fights and at the end of the day we... the boxing fans are ****d... Golovkin and his team tried hard to make the fight with Canelo, you even saw the tweets from golovkin, him going on talk shows, doing everything possible to shame Canelo into a fight. it worked for Lara so why not try.

Don't get me wrong i don't like this fight, i don't think its a good win, i dont see GGG getting any credit and aside from his bank account i dont see any benefit to him as far as Legacy or anything else is concerned , however if you are team GGG and you try to make fights and fighter after fighter turns you down at what point would you say "Fck it, i've wasted enough time... here is a fight i can take by signing and i get the same deal that i already agreed to with another fighter"... would you take it? Or would you go back to the drawing board, and start negotiations with another promoter for another fighter who knows if they will accept and a month in when you maybe get a deal going you are now fighting in October for less money and likely a no name.

So to answer your original point i don't think team GGG is going after easy fights, they are just taking what they can.

[j0zef]

And Brook is a welterweight. See. I can play the Golovkin fan game of discrediting every opponent that gets mentioned as well.

I'm not playing a game. I'm crapping on Brook as an opponent as much as the haters. What I'm saying is that Brook was already pre-negotiated, the arena was pretty much booked, and he's gonna get some great exposure and get paid.

Golovkin will get no credit if he wins this fight from me.. but this was a no brainer decision for him and his team since all the other options ******.

[-PBP-]

Maybe so but then they shouldn't ever try to make any of these fights and at the end of the day we... the boxing fans are ****d... Golovkin and his team tried hard to make the fight with Canelo, you even saw the tweets from golovkin, him going on talk shows, doing everything possible to shame Canelo into a fight. it worked for Lara so why not try.

Don't get me wrong i don't like this fight, i don't think its a good win, i dont see GGG getting any credit and aside from his bank account i dont see any benefit to him as far as Legacy or anything else is concerned , however if you are team GGG and you try to make fights and fighter after fighter turns you down at what point would you say "Fck it, i've wasted enough time... here is a fight i can take by signing and i get the same deal that i already agreed to with another fighter"... would you take it? Or would you go back to the drawing board, and start negotiations with another promoter for another fighter who knows if they will accept and a month in when you maybe get a deal going you are now fighting in October for less money and likely a no name.

So to answer your original point i don't think team GGG is going after easy fights, they are just taking what they can.

But they've been taking what they can get for how many years now? I don't want to make it seem like he's bum chasing. But they have no sense of urgency to take a big risk because they are making good money and have the machine behind them. Obviously they WANT to land the big names. But if they don't....who cares? They're getting good money, they have a logical reason why they are taking underwhelming fights, and boxing's fanbase is casual and doesn't even know that weight classes and rankings exist.

Every year it's either a mando or a take what we can get fight. They were talking a lot of **** about how Canelo was a business man, Khanelo was a business fight and how it disgraced the MW championship.....Now....he's fighting a welterweight, himself in a business fight. That whole media tour was just a gimmick.

At what point do you just say **** it and move up in weight and challenge yourself? Canelo clearly will not take this fight unless GGG is at a disadvantage or shows signs of slowing down. We've seen this throughout boxing's history.

[joseph5620]

Except both those guys actually fought high level fights in the meantime. Canelo and Golovkin are trying to sell us on ****ing fools gold. In fact they aren't even trying.

This. I can't equate the two situations.