Golovkin could've been fighting Ward this fall. Missed out on a big opportunity.

[_Maxi]

Great post that was backed up with links, quotes, pictures and sources. We all missed out on a great opportunity to see two of the sports pound for pound best go at it.

Ward claimed he had records of emails sent to Loeffler that proved the offer was made before GGG signed for Lemieux.

Abel Sanchez flat out called Ward a liar, and Ward's lawyer threatened to sue him if he said anything like that again. So Abel said it again, and Loeffler backed him up. They didn't get sued and Ward's team have quit making that claim now.

This.

The fight could still happen if Ward didn't need three tune ups at LHW. Golovkin wouldn't demand that... Ward is milking HBO with these tune ups and you know it.

[stuff jones]

Yeah lets take the word of a supposed adult who thinks calling someone little g is clever. That's seems smart.

[boliodogs]

The GGG haters and Ward fans are beating this fight to death. Ward is a much bigger fighter. He has moved to 175 and will never fight an ounce below that weight again. Ward will have his hands full with Kovalev and GGG will be the best middleweight champion he can be and fight the best middleweights who agree to fight him on reasonable terms. The Ward-GGG fight is never going to happen. So what? It never was a must see fight that needed to happen anyway. Ward would be favored to win for only one reason. They are both terrific fighters but Ward is much bigger. It's way past time to move on and quit crying about this fight that didn't happen and will never happen. It's just a fantasy fight now.

[DoktorSleepless]

If in fact Canelo / GBP had any REAL intentions of fighting GGG, then perhaps something could have been worked out. But we know that is not the case.

I'm not sure what you're saying. If they had real intentions to fight him, all in likelihood they still wouldn't want to fight him in the first half of the year, so the step aside would work. If they didn't have real intention to fight him, a deal would have still worked out just so they could stall for time. Your scenario of Canelo's team calling a purse bid themselves to force Golovkin to vacate wouldn't work because it wouldn't interfere with the Ward fight.

But even if we assume it was, on what planet does it make any sense whatsoever to delay (and potentially torpedo) a Canelo fight, just to do a Ward fight??

Why would it delay? Canelo wasn't going to fight Golovkin in the first half of the year regardless. And torpedo? So basically what you're saying is that as soon as he won that WBC interim belt to become a WBC mandatory in late 2014 all the way through now mid 2016, the right move should be cherry pick and in no case whatsoever take risky fights because he could lose? You're saying that even if Ward made a genuine offer back in late 2014/early 2015, the right move would have been to duck ward because of a theoretical Cotto/Canelo mega fight? At least you're being honest now.

Go from 160 up to 168, and then back down to 160 (or possibly even lower for a catchweight), just to fight an opponent who cant sell 25 tickets outside Oakland, and has a difficult style to look good against, in a fight that likely doesnt crack 300k buys on PPV?? Whats the point?

He's already doing that for Gilberto Ramirez while having the exact same chance to fight Canelo 2017 as he had in 2016. And we're talking career high payday with Ward.


Note: Made edit in my post above this one. Hopefully it was clear what I meant by the context.

[boliodogs]

ward still hasn't provided that email.

No, he sure as hell hasn't. How hard would it be to show it if it actually existed. This seems so important to Ward yet he doesn't produce this famous email which makes me believe it never existed in the first place.

[brettWall]

At what weight Ward was offering?

If you can't answer this question, then you better stop this nonsense. You know nothing.

I've been waiting for an answer to this. I guess we'll just have to assume Ward offered the fight at 168, and 3G should have accepted it. Not to mention Ward can still make the weight with no health issues. Everything is all assumptions just to advance an agenda.

[Nod]

Of course they ducked him. Ward is a guaranteed loss. Why fight that when you can continue making money fighting bums... Getting embarrassed by SOG ends the gravy train and it's back to goat hurding in Kazakhstan

[Motorcity Cobra]

Ward couldn't make 168 anymore he even said it himself. .

Did you even read the post??? After his fight with Paul Smith he hadn't made up his mind what weight he was going to fight because he still had to find an opponent to get the HBO contract

ward still hasn't provided that email.

Did you read the post? Loeffler states there was an email sent and confirms it said what Ward claimed it said. Are you just a headline reader?

sure....... sure...... give up all the middleweight titles you spent YEARS getting, wait over a year for Ward to finish his "Tune Up Tour", and then give 50-50 to a guy who cant sell out the first 3 rows of a school bus outside Oakland, oh and also spot him 8 pounds and agree to a weight that he hasnt made in 3 years.

Sounds like a great plan. What could possibly go wrong?? lol

Edit: GGG should wake up this morning and thank god that you are not his manager

Imma say this about the A-side/B-side. After November 19th, when Ward and Kovalev sell out the T-Mobile arena and get more PPV's than GGG, we'll see who the A-side is. Ward may not be the biggest star but Ward has always had a solid fan base. Even GGG fans know who Ward is. Loeffler thought that PPV was going to do great numbers, that's why he swerved Ward. He thought he was smarter than the average boxing fan and it backfired big time. They never even talk about PPV unless it's with Canelo and they never bring up that failed PPV.

At what weight Ward was offering?

If you can't answer this question, then you better stop this nonsense. You know nothing.

168. Did you read the post? Did you see the part where Loeffler told Ward if he's still at 168 in 2017 they'll consider it?

Ward claimed he had records of emails sent to Loeffler that proved the offer was made before GGG signed for Lemieux.

Abel Sanchez flat out called Ward a liar, and Ward's lawyer threatened to sue him if he said anything like that again. So Abel said it again, and Loeffler backed him up. They didn't get sued and Ward's team have quit making that claim now.

He said he sent the email before he knew about the Lemiex fight. It was after the fight was signed but before it was announced

Well they had Lemieux signed and thought they would eventually get the Canelo fight soon after being Golovkin was mandatory. I doubt they anticipated Canelo dropping the title and his pride. Also if we're going to be fair, Ward had a chance to fight Golovkin in 2013 at 168 and Ward wasn't interested. Missed opportunity for Ward.

But they knew Cotto was going to drop the belt. There was no doubt about that and he ended up doing it before the fight.

So what exactly was the big opportunity that GGG missed out on by not signing a contract with Ward?

It can't be money you're talking about, because GGG/Ward this summer would not have been a big money fight, for either of them.

And I've just come from another thread where you were defending Danny Jacobs for not wanting to fight for 3 world titles against GGG, for only a little more money than he could get for defending his "regular" strap in Brooklyn. So it can't be glory, resume, wanting to fight the best, etc, either.

Unless you are being very hypocritical and applying completely different standards to Golovkin and Jacobs.

Because GGG-Jacobs actually needs to marinate. You don't see Loeffler pressuring the WBA to call the mandatory for his champion. There isn't enough money in the fight. Ward was ready to pay GGG half. And Jacobs isn't as known as Ward is. Have you noticed since Canelo dropped the belt there has been no talk from GGG's side about Jacobs? Not because he's afraid of Jacobs but they know if they pressure the WBA to call the mandatory it's going to purse bid.

[Motorcity Cobra]

No, he sure as hell hasn't. How hard would it be to show it if it actually existed. This seems so important to Ward yet he doesn't produce this famous email which makes me believe it never existed in the first place.

Do you not see Tom Loeffler talking about the email. Have you not heard Loeffler say he sent the email after the Lemieux fight was signed? Is Tom Loeffler lying for Ward?

[OnePunch]

I'm not sure what you're saying. If they had real intentions to fight him, all in likelihood they still wouldn't want to fight him in the first half of the year, so the step aside would work. If they didn't have real intention to fight him, a deal would have still worked out just so they could stall for time. Your scenario of Canelo's team calling a purse bid themselves to force Golovkin to vacate wouldn't work because it wouldn't interfere with the Ward fight.



Why would it delay? Canelo wasn't going to fight Golovkin in the first half of the year regardless. And torpedo? So basically what you're saying is that as soon as he won that WBC interim belt to become a WBC mandatory in late 2014 all the way through now mid 2016, the right move should be cherry pick and in no case whatsoever take risky fights because he could lose? You're saying that even if Ward made a genuine offer back in late 2014/early 2015, the right move would have been to duck ward because of a theoretical Cotto/Canelo mega fight? At least you're being honest now.


He's already doing that for Gilberto Ramirez while having the exact same chance to fight Canelo 2017 as he had in 2016. And we're talking career high payday with Ward.


Note: Made edit in my post above this one. Hopefully it was clear what I meant by the context.

You just dont understand it. GGG obligating himself to a Ward fight would have given Golden Boy the escape route to avoid GGG without having to give up the title. It would never have gone to a purse bid, because GGG would legally have been unable to participate. The offer was 1 interim fight (Lemieux) and then the Ward fight. So Golden Boy would know full well that GGG couldnt face Canelo after Lemieux, so they would simply tell the WBC that they were ready to do their mando. The fact that it would be a lie is irrelevant, because Golden Boy would know that it would result in GGG being stripped due to him being "unavailable", so it would never even get to bid.

This is not complicated. And your only answer would be to work out some fantasy step aside deal, or for GGG to negotiate an additional interim fight with Ward, which would obligate himself to Ward for an even longer period of time. It just makes no sense to go through all that nonsense, for a fight with minimal mass appeal and mediocre revenue. Aside from 7 GGG haters on the internet, nobody cares about Ward.