Golovkin could've been fighting Ward this fall. Missed out on a big opportunity.

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Canelo fight was never going to happen in the first half of 2016. That was completely obvious even if you thought Canelo wasn't a coward at the time. He wasn't going to have a Cotto fight and then Golovkin. A deal could have been worked out easily.

Actually nothing was obvious at the time. They, K2, didn't know if Canelo would dominate Cotto and be down for a Golovkin fight next, or they work out a deal for a fight in-between and fight after (which is what they ended up doing and still got screwed over). The point is - K2 certainly anticipated a Canelo showdown in the near future, so did most of us myself included (pre-Canelo-Cotto I constantly said I prefer Canelo to win because I thought he was brave enough to fight Golovkin. I was wrong and so was K2).

Ward, a p4p lineal 168 champ, versus a vacant belt holder whose best win was macklin held zero significance. Yes. What would people be saying of Golovkin if Ward wiped the floor with him? The intrigue that it had back then was nowhere near what it is now. Would have been better than Rodriguez? Sure, but it was not some fight that had to happen.

You certainly have a way of mincing my words.

Did I say the intrigue was bigger then compared to now? No. What I said was a Ward-Golovkin fight would have been a smash hit in 2013. That's true, as shown by their similar ratings in 2013. A Golovkin fight for Ward in 2013 would have meant more than fighting Rodriguez. That's true. You stated Golovkin-Ward had literally ZERO significance in 2013. I disagreed and told you why you are wrong. Now you mince my words and change the topic.

Golovkin offered Ward the fight when it didn't matter. [/U]Ward offered the fight to Golovkin when it did matter

lol from who's perspective, yours and Ward's? In absolutely mattered to Golovkin when he offered Ward the fight and it was rejected. Likewise, when Ward offered him the fight when he signed to fight Lemieux it mattered to Ward. You can't only look at it in one perspective.

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Ward did nothing for years when HBO and GGG wanted to build the fight. Golovkin got busy and built himself up. Then Ward sends an offer after GGG's signed on for Lemieux with a big PPV unification on the near horizon. Hindsight is BS folks. Who on this forum would've signed Ward's offer? Give me the reasons why and I'll point out exactly why you're ******....

Hindsight?

We've all been saying Canelo fight was never going to happen since last year. Didn't take any Hindsight with all the non-sense Canelo's camp was spewing at the time. It was completely obvious. A sure thing Ward fight at set date vs a theoretical fantasy Canelo fight who's been saying no fight unless 155. It was a no brainer.

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Ward, a p4p lineal 168 champ, versus a vacant belt holder whose best win was macklin held zero significance. Yes. What would people be saying of Golovkin if Ward wiped the floor with him? The intrigue that it had back then was nowhere near what it is now. Would have been better than Rodriguez? Sure, but it was not some fight that had to happen. Golovkin offered Ward the fight when it didn't matter. Ward offered the fight to Golovkin when it did matter

Look at this clown. He's been one of those GG bashers accusing GG of ducking Ward even way before Ward's last minute, face-saving offer. And now he's saying it has zero significance.

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There was absolutely no reason for Golovkin to give up his belts.

he would not have willingly given them up, but he would have been stripped of both the IBF title and the WBC interim title.

Its annoying to have to explain this YET AGAIN, but oh well..........

Ward claims he did not know about the Lemieux fight being signed, so we can all agree that Lemieux would have been Golovkin's "1 interim fight". Well in case you forgot, immediately after the Lemieux fight, GGG inherited an IBF mando, and as we all know, the IBF only allows a unification fight to take precedence over a mando. GGG-Ward would not have been a unification bout, therefore bye bye IBF belt.

As for the WBC interim title and WBC mando position to Canelo, here's how that would have went. Once Golden Boy heard that GGG had signed for the Ward fight, they are smart enough to immediately go to the WBC and say "we are ready to do our mando. Oh, whats that? GGG is obligated to a Ward fight and is unavailable? How sad. Guess you have to strip him"


So like I said, GGG is very fortunate that none of you armchair advisors are handling his career.

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Hindsight?

We've all been saying Canelo fight was never going to happen since last year. Didn't take any Hindsight with all the non-sense Canelo's camp was spewing at the time. It was completely obvious. A sure thing Ward fight at set date vs a theoretical fantasy Canelo fight who's been saying no fight unless 155. It was a no brainer.

Ward offered and GGG's team passed before Canelo beat Cotto. It was a lousy offer considering. If you were so convinced things would unfold the way they did, give me your pitch to convince GGG to take the fight....

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Business Decision


Bad business decision


This interview was in September so the offer was made in March-Feb 2015



Yep, Loeffler admits Ward told him in May to stop talking about him since they turned down the offer



But could Ward had made 168? Two and a half weeks out from his fight with Paul Smith he was 173 lbs

My next fight is contracted at 172lbs. With 2 1/2 weeks left, my weight is good!! #June20th #WardVsSmith

A photo posted by Andre Ward (@andresogward) on Jun 3, 2015 at 10:39am PDT

But after the Paul Smith fight Ward decided he was moving up to 175? No, he was waiting on a decision from Kovalev since GGG had already turned him down.

Just to be clear, I have not made an official decision about the weight class I'll be fighting in. Still resting, will speak to my team soon

— Andre S.O.G. Ward (@andreward) June 24, 2015

So what exactly was the big opportunity that GGG missed out on by not signing a contract with Ward?

It can't be money you're talking about, because GGG/Ward this summer would not have been a big money fight, for either of them.

And I've just come from another thread where you were defending Danny Jacobs for not wanting to fight for 3 world titles against GGG, for only a little more money than he could get for defending his "regular" strap in Brooklyn. So it can't be glory, resume, wanting to fight the best, etc, either.

Unless you are being very hypocritical and applying completely different standards to Golovkin and Jacobs.

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As for the WBC interim title and WBC mando position to Canelo, here's how that would have went. Once Golden Boy heard that GGG had signed for the Ward fight, they are smart enough to immediately go to the WBC and say "we are ready to do our mando. Oh, whats that? GGG is obligated to a Ward fight and is unavailable? How sad. Guess you have to strip him"


So like I said, GGG is very fortunate that none of you armchair advisors are handling his career.

Offer was for first half of the year with no set date, which was negotiable. Number of fights in between was also negotiable. I doubt Ward would be against the idea of having more than one in between fight. Golovkin's team refusing to even talk was the worst part of this.

Directly after Cotto-Canelo, Golovkin-Canelo WBC free negotiations would begin, and Canelo would be either forced to take the fight within 90 days, or work out a step aside deal, which works out for Golovkin-Ward either way. Set preliminary Ward date for July/August or even September, which could be contingent on Canelo. There's no way Canelo would want to fight Golovkin directly after Cotto. Everyone knew that a Golovkin-Canelo fight would happen in the end of the year if it would happen at all. Canelo would want soft touch first. If he wanted a soft touch, he would have to agree not to interfere with Golovkin-Ward, and agree to negotiate the fight for later in the year. If not, Golovkin could force the purse bid, and Canelo would end up vacating. GGG gets green belt. If in the 1% that Canelo would have agreed to fight GGG early in the year without purse bid, fine, it still wouldn't have interfered with the Ward fight. In all likelihood though, Canelo would have agreed to mutually beneficial step aside, and Ward fight could have been moved down earlier in the year.

Ward claims he did not know about the Lemieux fight being signed, so we can all agree that Lemieux would have been Golovkin's "1 interim fight". Well in case you forgot, immediately after the Lemieux fight, GGG inherited an IBF mando, and as we all know, the IBF only allows a unification fight to take precedence over a mando. GGG-Ward would not have been a unification bout, therefore bye bye IBF belt.

It would have been completely possible to have all 3 fights as I described in the above scenario. And if it had to be between choosing Wade and Ward, choosing Wade over Ward would be ****ing disgraceful.

EDIT: I accidentally said "Everyone knew that a Golovkin-Ward fight would happen in the end of the year if it would happen at all." Meant to say Golovkin-Canelo

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Offer was for first half of the year with no set date, which was negotiable. Number of fights in between was also negotiable. I doubt Ward would be against the idea of having more than one in between fight. Golovkin's team refusing to even talk was the worst part of this.

Directly after Cotto-Canelo, Golovkin-Canelo WBC free negotiations would begin, and Canelo would be either forced to take the fight within 90 days, or work out a step aside deal, which works out for Golovkin-Ward either way. Set preliminary Ward date for July/August or even September, which could be contingent on Canelo. There's no way Canelo would want to fight Golovkin directly after Cotto. Everyone knew that a Golovkin-Ward fight would happen in the end of the year if it would happen at all. Canelo would want soft touch first. If he wanted a soft touch, he would have to agree not to interfere with Golovkin-Ward, and agree to negotiate the fight for later in the year. If not, Golovkin could force the purse bid, and Canelo would end up vacating. GGG gets green belt. If in the 1% that Canelo would have agreed to fight GGG early in the year, fine, it still wouldn't have interfered with the Ward fight. In all likelihood though, Canelo would have agreed to mutually beneficial step aside, and Ward fight could have been moved down earlier in the year.


It would have been completely possible to have all 3 fights as I described in the above scenario. And if it had to be between choosing Wade and Ward, choosing Wade over Ward would be ****ing disgraceful.

If in fact Canelo / GBP had any REAL intentions of fighting GGG, then perhaps something could have been worked out. But we know that is not the case. But even if we assume it was, on what planet does it make any sense whatsoever to delay (and potentially torpedo) a Canelo fight, just to do a Ward fight?? Go from 160 up to 168, and then back down to 160 (or possibly even lower for a catchweight), just to fight an opponent who cant sell 25 tickets outside Oakland, and has a difficult style to look good against, in a fight that likely doesnt crack 300k buys on PPV?? Whats the point?

It was a ******ed offer, and accepting it would have been even more ******ed.

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Offer was for first half of the year with no set date, which was negotiable. Number of fights in between was also negotiable. I doubt Ward would be against the idea of having more than one in between fight. Golovkin's team refusing to even talk was the worst part of this.

Directly after Cotto-Canelo, Golovkin-Canelo WBC free negotiations would begin, and Canelo would be either forced to take the fight within 90 days, or work out a step aside deal, which works out for Golovkin-Ward either way. Set preliminary Ward date for July/August or even September, which could be contingent on Canelo. There's no way Canelo would want to fight Golovkin directly after Cotto. Everyone knew that a Golovkin-Ward fight would happen in the end of the year if it would happen at all. Canelo would want soft touch first. If he wanted a soft touch, he would have to agree not to interfere with Golovkin-Ward, and agree to negotiate the fight for later in the year. If not, Golovkin could force the purse bid, and Canelo would end up vacating. GGG gets green belt. If in the 1% that Canelo would have agreed to fight GGG early in the year, fine, it still wouldn't have interfered with the Ward fight. In all likelihood though, Canelo would have agreed to mutually beneficial step aside, and Ward fight could have happened even earlier.



It would have been completely possible to have all 3 fights as I described in the above scenario. And if it had to be between choosing Wade and Ward, choosing Wade over Ward would be ****ing disgraceful.

Who negotiates a longterm fight contract immediately after announcing a PPV fight? At that time, Golovkin gains nothing by locking himself into a long term agreement with Ward. Unlike Kovalev, he had better options. Ward could've easily proceeded to dominate SMW then called for the GGG fight when he was ready. No tune ups. No rearranging of schedules. The build up that HBO wanted. If Ward was so interested, why wasn't an offer made before GGG had a deal with Lemieux? If Canelo (or Cotto) hadn't been a b1tch and just handed over the damn belt, we could've skipped all this crap. But that's not GGG's fault. Canelo and GGG had a written agreement and Canelo/GoldenBoy shamefully welched on the deal. Golovkin's got the WBC belt and is moving on instead of b!tching about it.

The choice between Ward and Wade was never there. It's all hindsight again. If you can prove a consistent track record of predicting such things here, you should hire yourself out to these promoters.

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I appreciate your effort to make this Thread, but bro...the fight wont happen....let it go..

what ROC Nation offered wasn't a good deal, plus this was a fight that should have been done several years before...but Ward was trying to fight goosen instead and Golovkin was coming up those years...that would had been a very very good fight...For now Ward at 175 and Golovkin at 160...be happy with that.