Comments Thread For: Golovkin vs. Eubank Deal Hangs in The Balance Over Sky Money

[Mike_R]

I don't think you can fairly criticize GGG vs. Eubank. Golovkin is continuing his campaign at 160- so all catch weight talk is to the side.

Eubank has a big name and seems to want the fight. Saunders and Jacobs are completely MIA. Canelo is walking away from what the fans were calling for and moving back to a real weight class- just not the right one.

Quillin would be tough to negotiate and even if they made it- everyone would point to his loss to Jacobs (even though he would be a good fight for GGG).

There are some other guys floating around, and I admit I think this is probably too much too soon for Eubank Jr- but boxing is also sink or swim. If he wants it and feels ready- he is young and strong and is probably a trickier (if not tougher) opponent than Lemieux was in some ways.

I'd watch this before Canelo vs. Liam Smith, but obviously this isn't the right fight. I'm disappointed Canelo isn't going to start fighting at 160.

[Redd Foxx]

I said Ward gets touched by GGG...a lot. Golovkin's a great counterpuncher with accuracy and timing. And he's got a great jab. If they're anywhere close in weight Golovkin's punches will do more damage. You feel GGG is an overhyped puncher, I see something more. I see a boxer who's technically superior to either Kessler or Froch, Ward's 2 best wins. I think most people who know boxing would agree.

K2 and GGG were "happy" not to fight Ward because Ward was never ready to fight. There was no 164 offer made. There was never an offer of any kind made to Ward.

Faulty logic. Golovkin landed 41% on his last opponent, who was absolutely awful and got battered. If he lands 41% on the worst opposition possible, a guy he killed in the 2nd round, why do you think he's going to frequently land on one of the best defensive fighters in the game, one who typically gets hit with less than 20% from guys with a longer reach than Genady?

Even worse, if Wade landed 29% his punches on Golovkin, what do you think the bigger, faster, stronger, and infinitely better Ward will do?

Genady is not even a "great" counter-puncher against mediocre competition. How is he going to improve that while facing a fighter leagues above anyone he's faced?

There's a reason that no one with any credibility thinks Golovkin beats Ward.
You guys make him look bad by even bringing it up. Golovkin is fantastic at 160 right now and that should be good enough. Why not talk about Golovkin's strengths rather than argue fights that he would never win?

[therealpugilist]

Thank you. So, pointing out your BS is trolling now? And you've never made me look like a dumb azz.

if you think I am, perception is your reality

the point is people get in their feelings when they dont agree with them

not my problem, tough tittie

so i got a prediction to a fight wrong...sue me

everyone does

doesnt change the fact Kov won and showed skills, nor does it change the fact that Hopkins is past prime and 50 years old...thats not trolling

do you even know what trolling means

[therealpugilist]

He hasn't beaten an elite fighter yet. Though, he was perfectly willing to fight the only elite fighter Ward beat and Ward's best win, Froch. And go to his hometown no less and face him at a weight disadvantage.

I don't have any problems with people not rating GGG P4P at this point. I do think people who believe he's just an overhyped puncher either have an anti-GGG agenda or severe vision problems.

He hasnt yet...thank you for being the only one man enough to admit it


I dont think he is JUST an overhyped puncher...he is has the potential to be a great fighter

He just hasnt proven his greatness vs elite opposition so IMO he is not ten p4p...simple as that

but he will never be seen as a great fighter, fighting the level of opposition he fights on a regular basis

is not my fault that, nor my problem that people get upset when I say the obvious....Legacies are built in the ring, not message boards, not board rooms being handed belts, and not by networks who tell people how great you are.


Only way people believe is by seeing and to date I dont see a top ten p4p fighter.

[ИATAS]

Faulty logic. Golovkin landed 41% on his last opponent, who was absolutely awful and got battered. If he lands 41% on the worst opposition possible, a guy he killed in the 2nd round, why do you think he's going to frequently land on one of the best defensive fighters in the game, one who typically gets hit with less than 20% from guys with a longer reach than Genady?

C'mon bro you just used faulty logic yourself. You're pulling up stats from a two round fight against freakin Wade for crying out loud. 71 of those punches were "jabs" half of which at least had no intention of landing and were just feeling out/gauge distance.

If you want to make an argument that Ward will be just as effective as he always is defensively against Golovkin, don't use compubox from a two round fight against what was essentially a tune up as proof, matter of fact don't use compubox at all (i.e literally two guys with clickers sitting ring side; one hand clicks jabs, one hand clicks power punches).

[OnePunch]

Faulty logic. Golovkin landed 41% on his last opponent, who was absolutely awful and got battered. If he lands 41% on the worst opposition possible, a guy he killed in the 2nd round, why do you think he's going to frequently land on one of the best defensive fighters in the game, one who typically gets hit with less than 20% from guys with a longer reach than Genady?

Even worse, if Wade landed 29% his punches on Golovkin, what do you think the bigger, faster, stronger, and infinitely better Ward will do?

Genady is not even a "great" counter-puncher against mediocre competition. How is he going to improve that while facing a fighter leagues above anyone he's faced?

There's a reason that no one with any credibility thinks Golovkin beats Ward.
You guys make him look bad by even bringing it up. Golovkin is fantastic at 160 right now and that should be good enough. Why not talk about Golovkin's strengths rather than argue fights that he would never win?

then why all the whining from Ward fans? If its such a lock that Ward beats GGG, if its such a sure thing, then why bother with it?

[Redd Foxx]

C'mon bro you just used faulty logic yourself. You're pulling up stats from a two round fight against freakin Wade for crying out loud. 71 of those punches were "jabs" half of which at least had no intention of landing and were just feeling out/gauge distance.

If you want to make an argument that Ward will be just as effective as he always is defensively against Golovkin, don't use compubox from a two round fight against what was essentially a tune up as proof, matter of fact don't use compubox at all (i.e literally two guys with clickers sitting ring side; one hand clicks jabs, one hand clicks power punches).

When ones makes a logical statement, Golovkin hardcores ask for proof. When one provides proof, they give statements such as the above, that it's not enough proof or that they just refuse to believe the provided evidence. When you close all the gaps and hammer home irrefutable truths (which is my only interest in this, not Ward vs GGG) then you get replies like the quote below...

then why all the whining from Ward fans? If its such a lock that Ward beats GGG, if its such a sure thing, then why bother with it?

Excellent point!
I don't really know why people bicker endlessly about such things. I rarely bring up the whole subject now that their paths areas never going to meet. But, when I see pollution on this board in the form of borderline mental defective gibberish, I sometimes can't help but put the rubbish in the receptacle.

[bug0092]

Faulty logic. Golovkin landed 41% on his last opponent, who was absolutely awful and got battered. If he lands 41% on the worst opposition possible, a guy he killed in the 2nd round, why do you think he's going to frequently land on one of the best defensive fighters in the game, one who typically gets hit with less than 20% from guys with a longer reach than Genady?

Even worse, if Wade landed 29% his punches on Golovkin, what do you think the bigger, faster, stronger, and infinitely better Ward will do?

Genady is not even a "great" counter-puncher against mediocre competition. How is he going to improve that while facing a fighter leagues above anyone he's faced?

There's a reason that no one with any credibility thinks Golovkin beats Ward.
You guys make him look bad by even bringing it up. Golovkin is fantastic at 160 right now and that should be good enough. Why not talk about Golovkin's strengths rather than argue fights that he would never win?

Golovkin's fought the way he has because of who his opponents have been. He's outlanded them by huge margins and barely lost a handful of rounds in the process. Yet, to you, that's somehow a flaw. Does it mean he can do the same to Ward?...no. Does it mean he'll fight the same fight against Ward?...no. But do you honestly think Froch or Kessler are technically better offensive fighters than GGG? Golovkin IS a great counterpuncher -- you're simply wrong. It's pointed out in most of his fights and there are videos online illustrating it. Maybe part of the reason people think Ward beats GGG is that not only is Ward a great fighter, he'll outweigh Golovkin in the ring by 10lbs.

[bug0092]

He hasnt yet...thank you for being the only one man enough to admit it


I dont think he is JUST an overhyped puncher...he is has the potential to be a great fighter

He just hasnt proven his greatness vs elite opposition so IMO he is not ten p4p...simple as that

but he will never be seen as a great fighter, fighting the level of opposition he fights on a regular basis

is not my fault that, nor my problem that people get upset when I say the obvious....Legacies are built in the ring, not message boards, not board rooms being handed belts, and not by networks who tell people how great you are.


Only way people believe is by seeing and to date I dont see a top ten p4p fighter.

I'm not upset. Why would I deny the obvious? Can't disagree with a single thing above. I have no problems with anyone refusing to give him a P4P ranking at this point.

[therealpugilist]

I'm not upset. Why would I deny the obvious? Can't disagree with a single thing above. I have no problems with anyone refusing to give him a P4P ranking at this point.

I appreciate you...this is what the forum used to be like....we'd ask questions, agree or disagree but explain our position and debate.

its just the same dudes every day...el blanco, new england, 1g5a22, daggum, and etc. they get all emotional and stalk people's posts when they have a different position than they do.

Now its all if you dont agree with me you are a hater, rinse wash repeat

Its frustrating watching some one who has so much potential have it wasted.

Around 2012 was the first time I saw him fight live and i was like oh snap, Martinez has a live challenge at 154-160

then he has the injuries, loses to Cotto and politics comes into play now with Canelo

There comes a point where the excuses are piling up and fans are getting restless

I want to see how good or great he really is instead of being told.


The same posters who trashed hall of famers and more proven guys are illustrating their double standards.

Its getting to the point where he may need to leave K2 because his career is stalling...he is active but the quality of opposition wont make him a star or legend...its time for a change and less excuses.