PBC/NBC done at the end of this year?

[CaneloMaidana]

amazing how boxing fans want boxing to fail

It starts with scum like Steve Kim and Dan Rafael.

[Pigeons]

Good stuff, but I will say that if thurman-Porter does only what thurman-ghost did, then that will be a huge red flag, as it shows no growth.. Thurman-porter has been built for the past year or so, if it can't outdo thurman-ghost, then pbc has failed in building brand awareness

That's true. Thurman-Porter has had endless build up. Plus they have the benefit of being the first primetime CBS boxing card in forever. Still I think 3M+ is the goal. The reason I think this is the goal is because I don't think it hits 3M. I think they'll break 2M for only the 6th time, but I see it settling at like 2.5M. Which honestly isn't that great. But at the same time you have to take into account that PBC doesn't do fight by fight ratings. They release ratings for the entire telecast, start to finish, including commercials, pre fight, post fight...

[sicko]

amazing how boxing fans want boxing to fail

Their are no more "boxing fans" most fans are just now BOXER Fans. They root for the guy that represents them and that is it and when they guy is not fighting they could CARELESS!

[big_james10]

I really liked the concept of PBC but I think they have done a horrible job of executing..

You can't build an audience with so many channels, times, days that Pbc was scheduling. All the fighters have the same brand awareness that they had when this started.. I have said from the beginning that pbc needed to one time buy with one channel and have a weekly show.. Same day, same time, every week.. For example like spikeTV on Saturday nights.. Spike always has a bunch of combat sports on Friday nights and boxing would have been a great lead-in to a Saturday night boxing program.. They also should have used four man tournaments to establish their own champs, and made the best matchups possible everytime, much like how major mma organizations do.. At best they could have built an audience and grown boxing into a more mainstream sport, at worst they would have carved out a nice niche, similar to bellator..

I'm a hardcore boxing fan, but even I have trouble keeping track of pbc fight schedule let alone a casual fan trying to keep up...

No one knows what Al Haymon's motivation was for starting PBC and running it the way he has run it. Everything that has been said about his plans (to take over boxing or anything else) is speculation because Haymon has said nothing to no one.

Also, no one knows how much money PBC is making or losing in its boxing matches. Every critic and genius who has ever watched a boxing match claims that Haymon has lost virtually all of his investor's money, but no one, including Fat Dan Rafael truly knows anything Haymon or PBC's business dealings.

Haymon has helped a lot of boxers make a good living through PBC and given fans as many entertaining fights as have been produced by GBP, TOp Rank or any other promoter. If the company continues to thrive for the next 10 years, that will be great. If it folds next year, we will simply go back to the days where Bob Arum and Oscar ive us such great matchups as Pacquaio vs David Diaz and Canelo Alvarez vs Liam Smith on PPV. Its no big deal either way.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

No one knows what Al Haymon's motivation was for starting PBC and running it the way he has run it. Everything that has been said about his plans (to take over boxing or anything else) is speculation because Haymon has said nothing to no one.

Also, no one knows how much money PBC is making or losing in its boxing matches. Every critic and genius who has ever watched a boxing match claims that Haymon has lost virtually all of his investor's money, but no one, including Fat Dan Rafael truly knows anything Haymon or PBC's business dealings.

Haymon has helped a lot of boxers make a good living through PBC and given fans as many entertaining fights as have been produced by GBP, TOp Rank or any other promoter. If the company continues to thrive for the next 10 years, that will be great. If it folds next year, we will simply go back to the days where Bob Arum and Oscar ive us such great matchups as Pacquaio vs David Diaz and Canelo Alvarez vs Liam Smith on PPV. Its no big deal either way.

I'm not trying to bash Haymon or pbc... I'm simply pointing out that by all indications they have botched their first 18 months.. I haven't said in this thread that it's a completely failure, just so far I think they haven't executed well in building an audience

[big_james10]

That's true. Thurman-Porter has had endless build up. Plus they have the benefit of being the first primetime CBS boxing card in forever. Still I think 3M+ is the goal. The reason I think this is the goal is because I don't think it hits 3M. I think they'll break 2M for only the 6th time, but I see it settling at like 2.5M. Which honestly isn't that great. But at the same time you have to take into account that PBC doesn't do fight by fight ratings. They release ratings for the entire telecast, start to finish, including commercials, pre fight, post fight...

Boxing is a niche sport and only has a small number of fans compared to more popular sports. In fact, sports in general only draws a small number of viewers compared to the number of people who watch television. Unless Mayweather or Pacquaio are fighting, boxing will never draw more than three or four million viewers on network television just as football and basketball are never going to attract more than a few million viewers, unless it is the Superbowl or the seventh game of the NBA finals. The equivalent of a boxing Superbowl (Mayweather vs Pacquaio) will never be shown on network television, so two to three million viewers is all you can expect, even for a great matchup like Porter vs. Thurman. Anyone who thinks or expecs boxing will draw 10 million viewers on network television is an idiot.

Also, since no one knows anything about PBC or how much money it makes off commercials and sponsorships, no one can say PBC will make or lose on the Porter/Thurman fight.

[big_james10]

I'm not trying to bash Haymon or pbc... I'm simply pointing out that by all indications they have botched their first 18 months.. I haven't said in this thread that it's a completely failure, just so far I think they haven't executed well in building an audience

Really? How has he bothched things? By providing us fights like Garcia/Peterson and Thurman/Guerrero, Santa Cruz/Mares, etc.? Please explain how PBC is any worse than the product being produced by Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions! No one know WTF Haymon and PBC has done in their first 18 months. Anything that has been said is pure speculation and has no basis in fact since Al Haymon does talk to the media or reveal any information about his business dealings. For all we know, Haymon may be making a killing off the PBC.

[ShoulderRoll]

amazing how boxing fans want boxing to fail

Some of them do. Along with some of the people in the boxing media.

But at the same time it isn't wrong to point out where PBC is messing up and how it could improve. If Haymon would listen to the fan feedback he might be able to fix things, which would be a better option than just continuing to do the same stuff that obviously isn't working.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Really? How has he bothched things? By providing us fights like Garcia/Peterson and Thurman/Guerrero, Santa Cruz/Mares, etc.? Please explain how PBC is any worse than the product being produced by Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions! No one know WTF Haymon and PBC has done in their first 18 months. Anything that has been said is pure speculation and has no basis in fact since Al Haymon does talk to the media or reveal any information about his business dealings. For all we know, Haymon may be making a killing off the PBC.

They haven't grown an audience.. The whole point of going back on network TV was to build the sport back into the mainstream. They really haven't elevated anyone into a star.. Garcia, Porter, wilder, etc are just as popular and well known to the masses as they were 2 years ago before pbc had started. So far they only have hardcore boxing fans for the most part tuning in. Their schedule is way to difficult for a casual fan to follow, and that is stunting their growth. That's how they botched it.. Not by matchmaking but by not being easy to follow for the average casual fan..

[MasterPlan]

PBC has been showed on various stations throughout the past 16 months. I knew that it would not continue to air on all of them. I did think NBC would be one of the main stations that it would stick around with. Most of the bigger fights have been on NBA. The first show with Thurman-Guerrero. Garcia-Peterson, Broner-Porter, Wilder, Mares, Charlo, Spence ect have all fought on NBC. I guess this means the NBC-SN will be gone too.

Spike is really good too.

CBS being apart of Showtime helps.

There were supposed to be an ABC card (part of ESPN.) We've yet to see that one.

Bounce TV was not a time buy, they actually invested into PBC.

Same with FS1 (not sure about FOX and if that was a time buy from Haymon?)

If this was wrestling back in the day, than Showtime/CBS is PBC's Raw is War.
Spike is their Smackdown.
ESPN is there Sunday Night Heat.
And BounceTV is their ******* Saturday Night (shout out to the people who remember that, lol.)
FOX is there Saturday Night Main Events since they don't have it often.