PBC/NBC done at the end of this year?

[BrometheusBob.]

From Dan Rafael's chat:



http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat...ith-dan-rafael

This is after he reported this a week ago:



http://www.espn.co.uk/blog/dan-rafae...vyweight-title

I wouldn't be surprised if this is true. PBC is having success on other networks but their NBC ratings don't seem good relative to what I'd expect other programs to do on primetime network television.

[CaneloMaidana]

CBS and FOX have always been the two hopes. CBS because they are affiliated with Showtime and FOX because they will lose the UFC to ESPN when their deal is up.

It's probably best that PBC fails though. 1.5 years into this experiment and the best fights we've had are Thurman-Porter, Thurman-Guerrero, and LSC-Mares. ****ing pathetic!

Huck vs Glowacki, Warren vs Payano, Garcia vs Peterson, Cleverly vs Fonfora, Obara vs Castillo, Thomas Williams Jr vs Savigne

[285Kid]

There is a ****storm going on over at HBO and nobody is talking about. Nobody is even attempting to figure out what's going on at HBO. Everything is PBC. Vinyl cost HBO $100 mil and it was canceled. HBO launched Bill Simmons website and his new show and both are doing horrible. His debut show this past Wednesday did 260k in ratings. Bill Simmons salary alone could fund Postol vs Crawford and Ward vs Kovalev. But let's just keep focusing on PBC

Boxing is done in the USA Floyd vs Pacquaio killed the casuals

[Pigeons]

I agree but would also add espn and spiketv to the list..

Espn
CBS/showtime
Fox
SpikeTV

Those 4 seemed to get all the big pbc fights, and are the best options to give pbc a deal.. But honestly, they won't get a deal unless they have a massive audience like NFL, NBA, which they don't have.. Or if they can show growth like mma, xgames, and pbc hasn't showed that as well.. Ratings are either stagnant or down, and in a year and a half, they really haven't showed any type of growth.. They need Porter-thurman to do like 4+ million to show some growth and ability to land big numbers with big fights..

ESPN/ABC is going with UFC so they are out. SPIKE is a lower option, they're not bringing the big bucks. It's FOX or CBS IMO. Likely CBS, but they have all the leverage so maybe they push it to Showtime where it was originally.

I've tried to track the ratings for every PBC telecast so far. Only one has done over 3M. The first one, Thurman-Guerrero. 3.374M. 3M is the goal for Thurman-Porter.

2015/04/04: Stevenson-Bika 1.422M
2015/05/09: Figueroa-Burns 1.313M
2015/06/21: Barthelemy-DeMarco 0.868M
2015/07/18: Frampton-Gonzalez 1.050M
2015/09/06: Dirrell-Rubio 1.100M
2015/03/07: Thurman-Guerrero 3.374M NBC Post: 0.141M NBCSN
2015/04/11: Garcia-Peterson 2.882M NBC Post: 0.190M NBCSN
2015/05/23: Dirrell-DeGale 1.000M NBC Post: 0.160M NBCSN
2015/06/06: Guerrero-Martinez 1.200M NBC Post: 0.195M NBCSN
2015/06/20: Broner-Porter 2.327M NBC Post: 0.144M NBCSN
2015/07/25: Shumenov-Flores 0.241M NBCSN
2015/08/15: Bute-Di Luisa 0.362M NBCSN
2015/09/12: Quillin-Zerafa 1.000M NBC
2015/09/26: Wilder-Duhaupas 2.179M NBC Post: 0.263M NBCSN
2015/10/10: O'Connor-Bracero 0.250M NBCSN
2015/10/17: Peterson-Diaz 1.100M NBC
2015/10/31: Charlo-Alcine 0.170M NBCSN
2015/11/07: Bizier-Lawson 0.157M NBCSN
2015/11/28: Charlo-Campfort N/A NBC
2015/12/12: Figueroa-DeMarco 1.817M NBC Post: 0.186M NBCSN
2016/04/16: Spence-Algieri 1.262M NBC
2016/06/18: Fonfara-Smith Jr. 1.246M NBC
2015/09/08: Trout-Hernandez 0.184M FS1
2015/09/15: Vasquez-Lopez 0.152M FS1
2015/09/22: Williams-Cuello 0.172M FS1
2015/09/29: Fortuna-Velasquez 0.201M FS1
2015/10/06: Jackson-Uzcategui 0.153M FS1
2015/10/13: Washington-Mansour 0.192M FS1
2015/11/10: Gonzalez-Guerfi 0.186M FS1
2015/12/08: Dominguez-Vicente 0.261M FS1
2015/12/29: Douglas-De Alba 0.227M FS1
2016/01/12: Flores-Briones 0.157M FS1
2016/01/19: James-Molina 0.168M FS1
2016/01/23: Garcia-Guerrero 2.518M FOX
2016/02/09: Herring-Flores 0.076M FS1
2016/02/16: Santiago-Ruiz 0.142M FS1
2016/03/15: Lipinets-Ghvamichava 0.154M FS1
2016/04/19: Redkach-Cruz 0.183M FS1
2016/04/30: Ortiz-Berto 1.619M FOX
2016/05/17: Gassiev-Shimmell 0.140M FS1
2016/05/28: Vazquez-Bone 0.242M FS1
2015/07/11: Thurman-Collazo 0.799M
2015/08/01: Garcia-Malignaggi 1.073M
2015/08/29: Santa Cruz-Mares 1.217M
2015/10/14: Alexander-Martinez 0.428M
2015/11/25: Lara-Zaveck 0.482M
2016/06/04: Beterbiev-Maderna 0.394M
2015/03/13: Berto-Lopez 0.869M
2015/04/24: Dirrell-Jack 0.569M
2015/05/29: Khan-Algieri 0.772M
2015/06/12: Lara-Rodriguez 0.446M
2015/08/14: Tarver-Cunningham 0.679M
2015/09/11: Stevenson-Karpency 0.581M
2015/10/16: Fonfara-Cleverly 0.315M
2015/11/13: Rodriguez-Seals 0.466M
2015/12/18: Barthelemy-Shafikov 0.538M
2016/04/01: Broner-Theophane 0.873M
2016/04/29: Dirrell-Caparello 0.513M
2016/06/03: Barthelemy-Bey 0.468M
2015/08/02: Payano-Warren 0.459M
2015/09/18: James-Abreu 0.335M
2015/10/30: Thompson-Scott N/A
2016/01/31: Lubin-De Jesus Macias 0.418M
2016/05/08: Islam-De Angel N/A
2016/06/12: Lo Greco-Elegele N/A

[CaneloMaidana]

Bounce TV, BET, I don't even know what those channels are.


You're 100% spot on with what you posted.

BET is Roc Nation not PBC.

[Beercules]

BET is Roc Nation not PBC.

I thought they did a PBC fight?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

ESPN/ABC is going with UFC so they are out. SPIKE is a lower option, they're not bringing the big bucks. It's FOX or CBS IMO. Likely CBS, but they have all the leverage so maybe they push it to Showtime where it was originally.

I've tried to track the ratings for every PBC telecast so far. Only one has done over 3M. The first one, Thurman-Guerrero. 3.374M. 3M is the goal for Thurman-Porter.

2015/04/04: Stevenson-Bika 1.422M
2015/05/09: Figueroa-Burns 1.313M
2015/06/21: Barthelemy-DeMarco 0.868M
2015/07/18: Frampton-Gonzalez 1.050M
2015/09/06: Dirrell-Rubio 1.100M
2015/03/07: Thurman-Guerrero 3.374M NBC Post: 0.141M NBCSN
2015/04/11: Garcia-Peterson 2.882M NBC Post: 0.190M NBCSN
2015/05/23: Dirrell-DeGale 1.000M NBC Post: 0.160M NBCSN
2015/06/06: Guerrero-Martinez 1.200M NBC Post: 0.195M NBCSN
2015/06/20: Broner-Porter 2.327M NBC Post: 0.144M NBCSN
2015/07/25: Shumenov-Flores 0.241M NBCSN
2015/08/15: Bute-Di Luisa 0.362M NBCSN
2015/09/12: Quillin-Zerafa 1.000M NBC
2015/09/26: Wilder-Duhaupas 2.179M NBC Post: 0.263M NBCSN
2015/10/10: O'Connor-Bracero 0.250M NBCSN
2015/10/17: Peterson-Diaz 1.100M NBC
2015/10/31: Charlo-Alcine 0.170M NBCSN
2015/11/07: Bizier-Lawson 0.157M NBCSN
2015/11/28: Charlo-Campfort N/A NBC
2015/12/12: Figueroa-DeMarco 1.817M NBC Post: 0.186M NBCSN
2016/04/16: Spence-Algieri 1.262M NBC
2016/06/18: Fonfara-Smith Jr. 1.246M NBC
2015/09/08: Trout-Hernandez 0.184M FS1
2015/09/15: Vasquez-Lopez 0.152M FS1
2015/09/22: Williams-Cuello 0.172M FS1
2015/09/29: Fortuna-Velasquez 0.201M FS1
2015/10/06: Jackson-Uzcategui 0.153M FS1
2015/10/13: Washington-Mansour 0.192M FS1
2015/11/10: Gonzalez-Guerfi 0.186M FS1
2015/12/08: Dominguez-Vicente 0.261M FS1
2015/12/29: Douglas-De Alba 0.227M FS1
2016/01/12: Flores-Briones 0.157M FS1
2016/01/19: James-Molina 0.168M FS1
2016/01/23: Garcia-Guerrero 2.518M FOX
2016/02/09: Herring-Flores 0.076M FS1
2016/02/16: Santiago-Ruiz 0.142M FS1
2016/03/15: Lipinets-Ghvamichava 0.154M FS1
2016/04/19: Redkach-Cruz 0.183M FS1
2016/04/30: Ortiz-Berto 1.619M FOX
2016/05/17: Gassiev-Shimmell 0.140M FS1
2016/05/28: Vazquez-Bone 0.242M FS1
2015/07/11: Thurman-Collazo 0.799M
2015/08/01: Garcia-Malignaggi 1.073M
2015/08/29: Santa Cruz-Mares 1.217M
2015/10/14: Alexander-Martinez 0.428M
2015/11/25: Lara-Zaveck 0.482M
2016/06/04: Beterbiev-Maderna 0.394M
2015/03/13: Berto-Lopez 0.869M
2015/04/24: Dirrell-Jack 0.569M
2015/05/29: Khan-Algieri 0.772M
2015/06/12: Lara-Rodriguez 0.446M
2015/08/14: Tarver-Cunningham 0.679M
2015/09/11: Stevenson-Karpency 0.581M
2015/10/16: Fonfara-Cleverly 0.315M
2015/11/13: Rodriguez-Seals 0.466M
2015/12/18: Barthelemy-Shafikov 0.538M
2016/04/01: Broner-Theophane 0.873M
2016/04/29: Dirrell-Caparello 0.513M
2016/06/03: Barthelemy-Bey 0.468M
2015/08/02: Payano-Warren 0.459M
2015/09/18: James-Abreu 0.335M
2015/10/30: Thompson-Scott N/A
2016/01/31: Lubin-De Jesus Macias 0.418M
2016/05/08: Islam-De Angel N/A
2016/06/12: Lo Greco-Elegele N/A

Good stuff, but I will say that if thurman-Porter does only what thurman-ghost did, then that will be a huge red flag, as it shows no growth.. Thurman-porter has been built for the past year or so, if it can't outdo thurman-ghost, then pbc has failed in building brand awareness

[CaneloMaidana]

ESPN/ABC is going with UFC so they are out. SPIKE is a lower option, they're not bringing the big bucks. It's FOX or CBS IMO. Likely CBS, but they have all the leverage so maybe they push it to Showtime where it was originally.

I've tried to track the ratings for every PBC telecast so far. Only one has done over 3M. The first one, Thurman-Guerrero. 3.374M. 3M is the goal for Thurman-Porter.

2015/04/04: Stevenson-Bika 1.422M
2015/05/09: Figueroa-Burns 1.313M
2015/06/21: Barthelemy-DeMarco 0.868M
2015/07/18: Frampton-Gonzalez 1.050M
2015/09/06: Dirrell-Rubio 1.100M
2015/03/07: Thurman-Guerrero 3.374M NBC Post: 0.141M NBCSN
2015/04/11: Garcia-Peterson 2.882M NBC Post: 0.190M NBCSN
2015/05/23: Dirrell-DeGale 1.000M NBC Post: 0.160M NBCSN
2015/06/06: Guerrero-Martinez 1.200M NBC Post: 0.195M NBCSN
2015/06/20: Broner-Porter 2.327M NBC Post: 0.144M NBCSN
2015/07/25: Shumenov-Flores 0.241M NBCSN
2015/08/15: Bute-Di Luisa 0.362M NBCSN
2015/09/12: Quillin-Zerafa 1.000M NBC
2015/09/26: Wilder-Duhaupas 2.179M NBC Post: 0.263M NBCSN
2015/10/10: O'Connor-Bracero 0.250M NBCSN
2015/10/17: Peterson-Diaz 1.100M NBC
2015/10/31: Charlo-Alcine 0.170M NBCSN
2015/11/07: Bizier-Lawson 0.157M NBCSN
2015/11/28: Charlo-Campfort N/A NBC
2015/12/12: Figueroa-DeMarco 1.817M NBC Post: 0.186M NBCSN
2016/04/16: Spence-Algieri 1.262M NBC
2016/06/18: Fonfara-Smith Jr. 1.246M NBC
2015/09/08: Trout-Hernandez 0.184M FS1
2015/09/15: Vasquez-Lopez 0.152M FS1
2015/09/22: Williams-Cuello 0.172M FS1
2015/09/29: Fortuna-Velasquez 0.201M FS1
2015/10/06: Jackson-Uzcategui 0.153M FS1
2015/10/13: Washington-Mansour 0.192M FS1
2015/11/10: Gonzalez-Guerfi 0.186M FS1
2015/12/08: Dominguez-Vicente 0.261M FS1
2015/12/29: Douglas-De Alba 0.227M FS1
2016/01/12: Flores-Briones 0.157M FS1
2016/01/19: James-Molina 0.168M FS1
2016/01/23: Garcia-Guerrero 2.518M FOX
2016/02/09: Herring-Flores 0.076M FS1
2016/02/16: Santiago-Ruiz 0.142M FS1
2016/03/15: Lipinets-Ghvamichava 0.154M FS1
2016/04/19: Redkach-Cruz 0.183M FS1
2016/04/30: Ortiz-Berto 1.619M FOX
2016/05/17: Gassiev-Shimmell 0.140M FS1
2016/05/28: Vazquez-Bone 0.242M FS1
2015/07/11: Thurman-Collazo 0.799M
2015/08/01: Garcia-Malignaggi 1.073M
2015/08/29: Santa Cruz-Mares 1.217M
2015/10/14: Alexander-Martinez 0.428M
2015/11/25: Lara-Zaveck 0.482M
2016/06/04: Beterbiev-Maderna 0.394M
2015/03/13: Berto-Lopez 0.869M
2015/04/24: Dirrell-Jack 0.569M
2015/05/29: Khan-Algieri 0.772M
2015/06/12: Lara-Rodriguez 0.446M
2015/08/14: Tarver-Cunningham 0.679M
2015/09/11: Stevenson-Karpency 0.581M
2015/10/16: Fonfara-Cleverly 0.315M
2015/11/13: Rodriguez-Seals 0.466M
2015/12/18: Barthelemy-Shafikov 0.538M
2016/04/01: Broner-Theophane 0.873M
2016/04/29: Dirrell-Caparello 0.513M
2016/06/03: Barthelemy-Bey 0.468M
2015/08/02: Payano-Warren 0.459M
2015/09/18: James-Abreu 0.335M
2015/10/30: Thompson-Scott N/A
2016/01/31: Lubin-De Jesus Macias 0.418M
2016/05/08: Islam-De Angel N/A
2016/06/12: Lo Greco-Elegele N/A

Islam fight had like 450k km Bounce.

Spike TV is Viacom, which has the same owner as CBS. Spike TV, Showtime, CBS Sports and CBS are all Sumner Redstone properties.

[Larry the boss]

amazing how boxing fans want boxing to fail

[CaneloMaidana]

I thought they did a PBC fight?

No it was Ward vs Paul Smith and Mike Dallas Jr vs Dusty Hernandez, both Roc cards.

PBC does cards on Bounce TV which is a broadcast channel.