Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Return: Eubank Jr. The Betting Favorite To Be Selected

[turnedup]

alot of that... i never made comments as such.... so Idk what you are talking about here.

I didn't accuse you of making any comments as such, I was replying to your reply and stating clearly I don't think he's p4p but he's far from a pushover as people try to make him seem.

[johnm is...]

Anyone betting Canelo at 7/2 should be kicked in the face. It ain't happening next.

[Hougigo]

Just saw Canelo's call out post the Khan fight...wow....

[hitking]

Dawson was weight drained and never that good anyway. Murray beat AA at SMW but didn't get the decision, and look what GGG did to Murray.

Ward beat Kessler with the most blatent, unpunished head butts you will ever see in a top class boxing match. That fight was an absolute disgrace.

The only really good win Ward ever had was against Froch, and Golovkin was ready to fight Froch in the UK, which is something Ward refused to do.

So Dawson was weight drained. Maybe, maybe not. But what I don't get is how its Ward's fault that Dawson got on TV and shot his mouth off. The way I look it. Dawson was the legitimate light heavyweight champion. He was also on every respectable P4P list when they fought.

As for Dawson never being any good anyway. He convincingly beat Bernard Hopkins 2-3yrs before Kovalev. Outside of GGG, your kind think Kovalev is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Hopkins, 2-3yrs later, is Kovalev's best win. Furthermore, if GGG fought Hopkins today, Bernard would be the best win of his career, at 50 something.

As for Kessler. The fight doesn't count because you don't like the way Ward fought. Funny.

And Froch. Since when do you beat a guy easily, and have to travel to his home turf for him to avenge?

[aboutfkntime]

Disappointing he will be the opponent but it'll be one less argument to be had on Boxing Scene.

Not a great opponent, but not a poor one either.

He is better than the guy Ward selected that's for sure.

[aboutfkntime]

I'm a little surprised how close the odds vs jr...

were they the odds on him winning, or on being selected ?

I don't give him much chance of beating GGG

[aboutfkntime]

By your logic, the winner of Kovalev/Ward (which will be Kovalev, if it ever happens) should be targetting cruiserweight champions, not a hype job 15lbs lighter than him.

Li'l g has never beaten anybody, so what would beating him do for Kovalev or Ward's legacy?

good point, he is over-rated as fk

greenK

[aboutfkntime]

In the past 3 years Ward has fought Paul Smith, who was coming off two successive defeats, and Sulivan Barerra, a 17 fight novice. If and when he ever does anything to justify the hype he gets at this place, THEN I will praise him, not before.

And this is EXACTLY how we feel about Hypekin, who has done absolutely nothing of note, EVER!

[JUNIABOY]

Golovkin/Eubank is a better fight than Golovkin/Alvarez or Golovkin/Saunders.

Beating Eubank in a big UK show, sets up the Saunders fight there, and also a DeGale fight.

That would a great alternative to GGG/Canelo...and/or a rematch. If GGG is forced down that path, his resume will be going a ways of justifying his status as the 160 champion.

[JUNIABOY]

Without any interviewers putting anything in Golovkin's mouth, not baiting statements with weights or opponents names, Golovkin himself has stated, himself not his team, that he wants all the belts and will fight all the champs in the middleweight division. He's been consistent with this in his own words, unprompted.

Max Kellerman baited the 154-168 reply. Abel Sanchez believes that Golovkin can beat anyone from 154-168 and isn't shy to state so. Never has Golovkin flat out said this statement unprovoked.

When is not fighting someone that is not in your weight class ducking?

Belts are extremely important because they are the identifier of who is the best in a division. Although the divisions are diluted with different sanctioning bodies and diluted further with different versions of belts within the bodies, for anyone trying to make a name in boxing it's all about the belts. Nobody just walks into the game, claims to be great, makes monetary demands and gets it without first proving it. The proof is by becoming the champion. Even more so by becoming champion within different sanctioning bodies.

Speaking on Golovkin's stated objective of obtaining all the belts and/or fighting all the champions in the middleweight division, there currently three champions in the middleweight division: Saunders, Alvarez and Jacobs.

With regards to Saunders, Eubank Jr. appears to be the best middleweight match for Golovkin and would make the most sense if Golovkin's team is taking Billy Joe Saunders words to heart. Saunders did state that if Eubank Jr. fought Golovkin, then he would fight Golovkin. So if this is the tack that Team Golovkin is taking, then this would appear to be the right road to the last middleweight championship belt. If Eubank Jr. gets by Doran, then it appears Golovkin v Eubank Jr. is made in September. If Golovkin gets by Eubank Jr., then we can see how much Saunders meant of what he said.

Alvarez is still in possession of The Ring Mag Lineal and is a fight that appears to be competitive. Unfortunately with Alvarez epitomizing the image of "too big for boxing, sanctioning bodies are meaningless", it wouldn't be surprising if the lineage broke sooner than later. How long Alvarez fights consistently at middleweight and how long The Ring Mag maintains him as the lineal middleweight champion remain to be seen. An Alvarez v Golovkin fight while Alvarez is still considered the lineal middleweight champion seems unlikely.

Golovkin v Jacobs as far as the belts go would be interesting in that it would unify the belts within a weightclass within an organization. This match would make sense as a late 2017 mandatory if the above Saunders scenario comes to fruition and mid 2017 mandatory if the Saunders scenario doesn't work out that way.

Full divisional unification is quite a feat. I'd like to see it, regardless of whether or not a division is deep or sparse in talent.

In my opinion, Golovkin defeats all currently active middleweights. Also in my opinion, Golovkin's skill ceiling hasn't been seen and he needs to move up in weight to reveal it. I'm willing to wait on that because Golovkin believes he is the best in the division, claims so in so many words and wants to prove it demonstrably. Let's see it.

All boxing fans should want to see an undisputed champions...in fact, I would prefer to see that in every single weight class. Fight everybody to prove you're the best in your weight class. I don't see any point in moving from your weight division until such a feat is either unattainable, or successfully accomplished.