Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Return: Eubank Jr. The Betting Favorite To Be Selected

[hitking]

Yea, & then Ward proceeded to defend his belt against none of the top SMW's who he hadn't fought in the super-6...aka, Bute. I also named Dirrell & DeGale as 2 other guys who would have been good title defenses for Ward. Not downplaying his resume...but some are mistaken when they say he cleaned out the division. Absolutely Ward was the best in the division...but never did he ever clean it out.

And why doesn't the Ali card win arguments? Are we talking about the same Ali standard that most boxers would like to live up to? Why are we dismissing using Ali as an argumentative point anyway?

Ward had promotional issues. The Bute argument went down the drain when he got wrecked by Froch.

As for cleaning out divisions, it doesn't exist. There will always be someone new to fight. Ward should have moved up earlier. That's the only valid argument that can be made against him.

Ali is the "standard" because he just died. Ray Robinson is pretty much a consensus all-time P4P #1. And Ali is far from a consensus #1 all-time heavyweight. Several historians consider Joe Louis the best big guy ever. So no, the Ali card doesn't trump all.

[JUNIABOY]

Boxing wise, I'd prefer a match with Lara and to leave Eubank for later. But business wise, I can definitely see why Eubank is the much better option.

Should be a good match too, not an easy win for Golovkin at all. Eubank is occasionally. It's a 70-30 fight in my books.

A GGG/Lara fight would definitely go a long way of silencing the critics. Confidentially, just fighting one of the opponents critics drum up won't completely silence them...they'll find something else to complain about. I always thought that BJS would be the 1st option if Canelo is not possible. But I'm not going to complain if it's Eubank Jr.

[JUNIABOY]

Ward had promotional issues. The Bute argument went down the drain when he got wrecked by Froch.

As for cleaning out divisions, it doesn't exist. There will always be someone new to fight. Ward should have moved up earlier. That's the only valid argument that can be made against him.

Ali is the "standard" because he just died. Ray Robinson is pretty much a consensus all-time P4P #1. And Ali is far from a consensus #1 all-time heavyweight. Several historians consider Joe Louis the best big guy ever. So no, the Ali card doesn't trump all.

A loss never stopped Ward from pursuing a fighter. Paul Smith lost to AA twice, but Ward still fought him. Why is Bute the exception?

And Ali is still an ATG...no matter what side of the scale you put him at. He was the standard as far as boxing pursuits go...& many HoFers have placed Ali as their hero & a standard to live up to. Why dismiss the ali standard? I still don't understand why you would dismiss it.

[hitking]

So your way to greatness is straps in multiple divisions to equate greatness? I am sure Burns, Broner and countless others will agree with you. I mean undisputed champs, how can they be worth anything right? So few of them over the years LOL

Actually, I don't give a **** about belts. I want my greats to move up and chase names. Which is why GGG going to 68 pretty much lost most of its luster when Ward moved up.

As for Broner. Wonder what would have happen had he done the GGG after beating Demarco. His mandatory at the time was Omar Figeroua. His fellow beltholders were Burns, Vazquez, and Abril. He got hammered for fighting Gavin Rees, who was legit top 10. Wonder if Broner would have had his ballz massaged for "unifying" against a murderous row such like Demarco, Burns, Vazquez, and Abril. With defenses like Rees and Figeroua mixef in there. And BTW, he would have beaten the **** outta every last one of those guys.

[deanrw]

Actually, I don't give a **** about belts. I want my greats to move up and chase names. Which is why GGG going to 68 pretty much lost most of its luster when Ward moved up.

As for Broner. Wonder what would have happen had he done the GGG after beating Demarco. His mandatory at the time was Omar Figeroua. His fellow beltholders were Burns, Vazquez, and Abril. He got hammered for fighting Gavin Rees, who was legit top 10. Wonder if Broner would have had his ballz massaged for "unifying" against a murderous row such like Demarco, Burns, Vazquez, and Abril. With defenses like Rees and Figeroua mixef in there. And BTW, he would have beaten the **** outta every last one of those guys.

The problem would have been he would have lost a fight by killing himself to make weight, or failing to make weight which he has already done. It is a game they play now. Starve to make weight when young, beat up older and smaller guys while doing it.

[hitking]

A loss never stopped Ward from pursuing a fighter. Paul Smith lost to AA twice, but Ward still fought him. Why is Bute the exception?

And Ali is still an ATG...no matter what side of the scale you put him at. He was the standard as far as boxing pursuits go...& many HoFers have placed Ali as their hero & a standard to live up to. Why dismiss the ali standard? I still don't understand why you would dismiss it.

Are we talking about Bute or Froch? A Bute fight was no longer relevant when he lost to Froch. As for Smith, he was a tune-up, after a year long layoff.

I don't dismiss Ali. He just doesn't trump all because he just died.

[hitking]

The problem would have been he would have lost a fight by killing himself to make weight, or failing to make weight which he has already done. It is a game they play now. Starve to make weight when young, beat up older and smaller guys while doing it.

Broner doesn't make weight because he's undisciplined and balloons between fights. And its shown by how ineffective he is above the jr welterweight division.

[Eastcoast]

The most interesting fight at 160 for me.

Danny Jacobs seems vulnerable and BJS gasses.

But banking on a belief that Chris Eubank JR is packing an absolute rock of a head like his father and virtually un-KOable. A view largely unfounded yet I accept. He has only really been in with Spike O'Sullivan who can whack a bit.

I'm thinking Chudinov hits harder than O'Sullivan or Blackwell, but yeah Golovkin's another level altogether. What really convinced his father that Jr. could handle the power of somebody like Golovkin were his sparring sessions with a Cuban HW, and later with Froch.

If he can handle Golovkin's power and actually push Golovkin backwards, wow!

[Chrismart]

I think Eubank is competitive with all the guys at 160. Golovkin would be a step too far i feel. But still, it's an interesting fight.

I'm not so sure it happens though. But i'd be pleasantly surprised if it does.

[M Bison]

Awesome fight, this can be a very successful PPV fight in Britain lets get it on!
Eubank Jr is a durable tough opponent who has improved from his loss to BJS he has adapted to purely fighting to suit his strengths.

This fight is simply bigger than Kovalev Vs. Ward because well when you look at it how big is Ward and Kovalev's fanbase?
Combine both twitter followers and Eubank Jr has more than both combined lol!!

AND also the British fans absolute shiet all over the American fanbase for Ward I mean Wards fanbase does he even have any fans I know Kovalev will have Russians and other Eastern Europeans out there to watch him because his fanbase is better but they simply don't match the scale of both GGG and Eubank Jr.
I don't blame Kovalev for this I blame Ward for being a diva his entire career and for his constant excuses because If Ward had any balls he would have done things so much differently which would have made him one of the most popular boxers about.