So it's ok for Wilder to not fight Povetkin. But you are also against Joshua right?

[Eff Pandas]

Man, I thought you were a reasonable poster. I'm not trolling. Any person can see that the HW's are using at least tons of steroids. They look like bodybuilders. They are all juicing, you can't scape like that from a fight. Do you believe Joshua, Wlad, Wilder, are clean? just look at their bodies... you don't look naturally like that.

I thought I was being reasonable. It was a horribly constructed.....whatever it was brother. Don't blame me for you not getting your point across. Work on making your point more clear.

And I try not to think too hard about the who's on PEDs that hasn't been caught yet thing cuz the reality is guys who look like they aren't on PEDs get popped & guys who look like they are don't so who's to say cuz its a debate thats never ending. I think things are super in play with all that stuff & until there is 24/7/365 testing its like the wild wild west. And even with 24/7/365 or some futuristic microchip being implanted in athletes to monitor substances entering the body I'm sure there will be holes & guys working ahead of the curve who'll take advantage of those holes.

So basically I, like we all do, got a list of guys we think could be on something, but its still a huge jump to throw guys who you or I suspect in with the guys who've been straight up caught.

[ukbox]

Look well I live in Bethnal Green so so f@ckin what.....he's got a London accent ...ok so it's slightly different than the accent you born to the sound of bow bells lol....but it's still London .....are you bacon sarnie ? Or a teriyaki ? F@ckin mug

Who u talking to u 2bob *** I'll bounce u like a ball u wee ****

U live in e2 yet u calling a watford boy London & an eastender
Get to *** u soft ****


U about as London as them estuary boys trying to put on that London twang

& I'm white ya daft **** 1980 last of an era

Now away & plunge an aj clone a Willy in your council gritter

U racist ****..u sound like some sad ***ing black cab driver in barking

[Motorcity Cobra]

That Wilder made a b1tch/coward move. He and every other HW are using at least roids, look at their bodies. The HW's are all roiding. What? you don't agree with that? ok. But I made the point pretty clear before.

Based on what? You can't say physique because I can show you pictures of the last four heavyweights who've been busted for steroids and none of them are muscular. So what evidence do you have?

[The plunger man]

Who u talking to u 2bob *** I'll bounce u like a ball u wee ****

U live in e2 yet u calling a watford boy London & an eastender
Get to *** u soft ****


U about as London as them estuary boys trying to put on that London twang

& I'm white ya daft **** 1980 last of an era

Now away & plunge an aj clone a Willy in your council gritter

U racist ****..u sound like some sad ***ing black cab driver in barking

U mug ...you couldn't bounce a rubber ball ....f&ckin goon

[motivational]

Based on what? You can't say physique because I can show you pictures of the last four heavyweights who've been busted for steroids and none of them are muscular. So what evidence do you have?

Firstly, you're mixing PEDs and steroids up.

PEDs are Performance Enchancing Drugs. They will make you fitter and faster but very few will increase your strength. They are drugs. People who are medically ill take them to get better but they also make you more effective for sports. For example the one Povetkin took is used to expand the size of your arteries which would increase the amount of blood flow around his body. This would make his fitness increase, so he could last longer in the ring.

Steroids are synthetic hormones. Hormones are not the same as drugs. Everyone has hormones already, you're simply adding more than you already have. If you take steroids, you will gain ridiculous amounts of muscle and you can have far more muscle than the average person. Anyone who has been caught for anabolic steroids and isn't muscular, has either not been using them long enough to get an effect or hasn't been using them properly.

Secondly, all heavyweights are muscular. It's pretty much impossible to be a heavyweight boxer and weigh 90KG+ and not have some degree of muscle. It's irrelevant whether they have a lot of fat over it, the muscle it still there.

What evidence has he got? I'll tell you the same thing I told Juggernaut in another thread about Anthony Joshua:

Anthony Joshua simply has far too much muscle for what a natural amount of testosterone allows. It just isn't possible. Now, you're asking what if something went wrong in his body and somehow he has a far higher amount of testosterone than everyone else? He would show up positive in a drugs test. They would see he has a super high level of testosterone and they would accuse him of doping.

All we're trying to say is that his build is not attainable naturally. You don't need a drugs test to confirm what you can already see. This argument is like trying to say that if a dog works really hard, he can become a horse. They're two completely different things. You can be a really big dog but you can't just gain loads of height and muscle and become a horse. No matter how hard the dog works, this just isn't possible naturally.

We're also not accusing him of being on PEDs, we're saying he's on anabolic steroids. PEDs wouldn't help him gain that much muscle or reach that size.

[VatoMulatto]

I wish people would stop thinking they can look at an athletes body and know for a fact he's using illegal stuff. You can be super ripped and clean and fat as **** and a cheater. This is what James Toney looked like in his fight against John Ruiz when Toney was on anabolic steroids.

[ukbox]

U mug ...you couldn't bounce a rubber ball ....f&ckin goon

I'd ****ing bounce u like an egg u ****

***in watford ****ney
You're a mockney ya joke

[ukbox]

U mug ...you couldn't bounce a rubber ball ....f&ckin goon

Bet you're a Danny dyer fan

[The plunger man]

Bet you're a Danny dyer fan

Now I know your a din lol....danny dyer ffs

[ukbox]

Now I know your a din lol....danny dyer ffs

Shaddup geeza
You're a ***in wheezah
Hanging off Hearns ballbags