Comments Thread For: Showtime Sues Top Rank: Mayweather-Pacquiao Legal Fee Dispute

[Combat Talk Radio]

Everyone does that. Thats called marketing, not betting advice.

And again I'm not into this whole Manny angle that tends to bring out way too emotional responses from people who love or hate him. I'm saying in general if fighters can be sued over not disclosing injuries its gonna change how certain things work or how certain people in the sport do things.

I mean there is surely a backlog of fighters who can be sued over injuries they didn't disclose til after the fight if you simply go watch some past fights. I can probably count on both hands the # of people who said they lost because they were 2nd best that night over the last 12 months. And among all that high % of lies about not being 2nd best there is some excuses that were the result of an injury, a weight issue or some other thing from their training camp. Those would became potential lawsuits lol. That'd be nuts & horrible for boxing if that became a thing.

Hell if a guy misses weight & a fight gets canceled & I spent 5k to come down to Vegas to watch the fight can I sue for my 5k back too? There is a lot of scummy ass doors that get opened if this goes anywhere. People trying to nerf the world with this sorta ****. Life has risks. Deal with it.

Not the same thing.

If you put on a form under penalty of perjury that you're not injured going into the fight, then later claim you were injured going into the fight, you've broken the rules. That's what Manny did. I know of no other fighter that's done that.

I don't think any other fighter is at any sort of risk because they are at least honest on the form - "Yes I'm injured, but I'm still showing up".

Look at Cotto/Martinez. It was well documented that Maravilla had substantial knee problems and the betting odds were nowhere near in his favor as a result. I know of nobody who thought Sergio was winning that fight. Now, had he put "Nope, not injured" then get schooled by Cotto and cut an interview saying "yeah, but my knees doe", it'd be the same thing.

No...don't defend Pacquiao. He doesn't deserve it. To this day we don't even know the real story.

[tangalog2200]

It is a contractual dispute. Nothing more, nothing less. TR agreed to indemnify Showtime, against any litigation arising from the match between Floyd & PAC...


Making it as simple as possible... So you can understand.

Would this lawsuit have been initiated if PAC wasn't a liar?

PAC's statements, from his own lips, caused this lawsuit. Causing Showtime to be sued, in a court of law, not a court of t@rds. Idiots that feel it was noble and heroic of PAC to hide his injury, thus generating lawsuits against both HBO & Showtime for PAC's failure to disclose, under penalty of perjury, his shoulder injury.

TR/Arum/etc are being sued for proper issues. I don't know about Filipino law, but the standard of review in civil matter is preponderance of the evidence.

Most civil attorney's call it 51% of the evidence.

Let's see how it plays out. Right?

I believe, TR/PAC will settle out of court.

All could have been avoided if PAC didn't let. Arum make him lie.

It is a simple digital logic question.

He either lied before the fight by his failure to disclose a pre existing condition, which he should have disclosed on his NSAC form, that PAC signed. PAC signed it. The weight that a signed document carries in a court of law is very important. That signed document, under penalty of perjury really blows a hole is the subtitles in PAC's current lies. PAC signed it. Not knowing what you are signing is no excuse in the USA. PAC ****ed up. It is that simple.

In his post fight interview, PAC never mentioned anything about the injury.

Let's see how far it goes, but I believe it will be settled out of court, with money and no admission of wrong doing. I have been in civil court several times. I actually have first hand experience.

I kinda wish I would have bet PAC so I could get paid.

One more thing, I was in a class action against 24 hour fitness and got paid.

Just an FYI. If I could prove I bet on PAC, I would get paid again.

Lying comes back to haunt a person, especially where money is involved.

Several Filipino's are taking legal action. They lost based on TR lies.

This is irrefutable. Yet, cheating Floyd gets away. Why don't you and Spoon23 see if any attorney's find merit in a class action lawsuit against Floyd!

"It is a contractual dispute. Nothing more, nothing less."

this says it all....this is between showtime and tr......

the suit vs pac is a distinct issue....it is pac vs fans....

see the difference.....

if you want to expand on the suit against pac....start with an update first on that.....

and if i may ask again, did you return the money you won on betting on floyd? and why did you not sue floyd?

[Zaroku]

"It is a contractual dispute. Nothing more, nothing less."

this says it all....this is between showtime and tr......

the suit vs pac is a distinct issue....it is pac vs fans....

see the difference.....

if you want to expand on the suit against pac....start with an update first on that.....

and if i may ask again, did you return the money you won on betting on floyd? and why did you not sue floyd?

No, I did not return the money, in spite of my belief that Floyd got away with many things.

I also believe PAC, Marquez are cheats.

Last I checked the suit against PAC was proceeding.

Arum opened up a can of worms: not checking a box is costing lots of money.

[tangalog2200]

Just so we are clear. Floyd is a lying, cheating, piece of ****, he hugs too much, runs like an ostrich, and I can't stand his TBE bull****.

TBE, **** him
TBCCE, The Best Cheating Champion Ever, yes.!!!!!!

Jhonny ****ing hates him. Not cuz Floyd is black, Jhonny is black.
F Floyd forever.

very well said....

but then, again....why was a lying and cheating floyd not sued?

why was it only pac and not floydie?

can pac, who rightly or wrongly claim he won the fight point to floyd's cheating?

can pac use the slow mo videos (your favorite item) to prove he won?

that will divert pac's loss to judges erroneous scoring; that will throw out the suits agaist him as without merit/basis? ha ha ha

and spoon will be pac's hero he he he....

seriously, these lawsuits are nothing but an attempt to a money grab....

you, as a bettor/gambler understands that in this world nothing could be taken to be 100% true on the surface....specially in boxing......specially in vegas....

[Francis M.]

Showtime going broke and desperate. LOL

[Zaroku]

very well said....

but then, again....why was a lying and cheating floyd not sued?

why was it only pac and not floydie?

can pac, who rightly or wrongly claim he won the fight point to floyd's cheating?

can pac use the slow mo videos (your favorite item) to prove he won?

that will divert pac's loss to judges erroneous scoring; that will throw out the suits agaist him as without merit/basis? ha ha ha

and spoon will be pac's hero he he he....

seriously, these lawsuits are nothing but an attempt to a money grab....

you, as a bettor/gambler understands that in this world nothing could be taken to be 100% true on the surface....specially in boxing......specially in vegas....

PAC was the A side against Marquez. Floyd was the A side against PAC.
PAC is being sued because of his signed NSAC form. Civil lawsuits can only move forward if parasitic attorneys think there is enough stuff to bring an action.

Why I bet Floyd:
Size match up favored him.
Never been stopped
PAC hasn't KO anyone in years
Floyd gets away with pretty much anything in the ring
Manny can't cut off the ring, he can't deal with ostrich type movement.
Bayless was the ref

I gave PAC a puncher's chance, nothing more.

If I would have known about his shoulder injury, I would have bet even more.

[tangalog2200]

PAC was the A side against Marquez. Floyd was the A side against PAC.
PAC is being sued because of his signed NSAC form. Civil lawsuits can only move forward if parasitic attorneys think there is enough stuff to bring an action.

Why I bet Floyd:
Size match up favored him.
Never been stopped
PAC hasn't KO anyone in years
Floyd gets away with pretty much anything in the ring
Manny can't cut off the ring, he can't deal with ostrich type movement.
Bayless was the ref

I gave PAC a puncher's chance, nothing more.

If I would have known about his shoulder injury, I would have bet even more.

floyd also signed a form....

if pac lied about an injury...same may be said of floyd....

if pac was denied the medication, floyd was able to rehydrate....

and given the belated tue.....

can pac claim floyd got undue advantages? were these advantages due to floyd being the A side?

[Eff Pandas]

Not the same thing.

If you put on a form under penalty of perjury that you're not injured going into the fight, then later claim you were injured going into the fight, you've broken the rules. That's what Manny did. I know of no other fighter that's done that.

I don't think any other fighter is at any sort of risk because they are at least honest on the form - "Yes I'm injured, but I'm still showing up".

Look at Cotto/Martinez. It was well documented that Maravilla had substantial knee problems and the betting odds were nowhere near in his favor as a result. I know of nobody who thought Sergio was winning that fight. Now, had he put "Nope, not injured" then get schooled by Cotto and cut an interview saying "yeah, but my knees doe", it'd be the same thing.

No...don't defend Pacquiao. He doesn't deserve it. To this day we don't even know the real story.

I'm not defending Manny, I'm arguing against this ****** ass concept that you gotta announce your injury to the betting public at large or risk being sued. And before this fight I'd never had heard of anyone signing the "I'm Injured or Nah" form ever or at least I don't recall hearing of it ever brought up.

I'd assume people have lied on it before, cuz there are a TON of injuries fighters have going into fights or they did list all their ailments & the public at large was never told that whoever had an injured left hand pre-fight to make the most informed bet possible.

Going into a fight injured, to one degree or another, is SUPER COMMON.

I don't get how this is that hard to understand outside of Manny's name being involved. And I've had equally illogical debates with anti-Floyd people too. Those two f#cking guys make so many people lose rational thought.

Bottom line for me is you can't sue & win over fighters going into fights injured without telling everyone & their moms without some drastic changes to boxing that will result in a ton of late, day of, fight cancelations &/or getting rid of post-fight pressers/interviews to avoid fighters potentially saying self incriminating things that could result in the fighter, promoter & network losing millions of dollars in lawsuits.

[Zaroku]

floyd also signed a form....

if pac lied about an injury...same may be said of floyd....

if pac was denied the medication, floyd was able to rehydrate....

and given the belated tue.....

can pac claim floyd got undue advantages? were these advantages due to floyd being the A side?

I think he could but, I doubt the NASC would agree with any legal action along those lines. It seems they have accepted Floyd's statements.

[ShoulderRoll]

floyd also signed a form....

Right.

But he didn't say on that form that he was healthy then after the fight claim that he had a pre-existing injury.