Comments Thread For: Erislandy Lara Takes Rematch, Beats Vanes Martirosyan

[Flash13]

I wasn't around in the Ali or Leonard eras and was very young when Tyson was at his peak. Floyd isn't as liked. But he's just as, if not more popular. Floyd did what he did in an era where boxing is almost a cult sport. Thoae guys did their thing in eras where boxing was mainstream. So for Floyd to do what he did in a time when nobody cares about boxing. I'd say he doesn't have to take a backseat to anyone in terma of fame and popularity.

It's not like he was alone this whole time. Mayweather made Pacquiao, and vice versa. He would not have done it alone, no way.

[NearHypnos]

To the first bolded:
What world are you living in? Everyone knows who he is?! The guy did 324k viewers on FREE TV last time out.

As for the resume, i would prefer Saunders or Jacobs. If he can't get one of those then Lara is a good option. But to act like this fight is going to put GGG on the map is laughable, just laughable.

To the second bolded:
How can you make this claim?

Yeah..And he did some 300k with Canelo. Probably none for him but people know who he is..theyve seen him fight. Berto and Floyd didnt sell that well but everyone knows Floyd. Look. Lara isn't some star...we know it. But he's definitively more known than youre giving him credit for. Being known and being popular are different. Lara is a good name in the sport.

It's not putting GGG on the map. But I'd rather watch Lara than Tureano Johnson. Look at the top 5 per belt at 160..come on.. You can't be serious?

We already know Saunders and Jacobs arent going to do it for September. (i had edited my previous post not sure if you saw). Lara is available.. BJs and Jacobs are not.

And your comment about the second in bolded...You think otherwise? You can't possibly think the Charlo brothers have anything to offer Lara after tonight...hell, one arguably lost to Trout... And you wouldnt be implying Liam Smith is better would you? :/

[hitking]

The bolded is very contradictory of the denigrating post you posted earlier, just saying.

I respect Ward's talent, no doubt. As for Ward Kov I think putting that fight on PPV will be the biggest mistake in history. I'm not even sold it does 75k buys. I will be buying the fight for sure, but to anyone who isn't a hardcore boxing fan, they aren't interested. Trust me i know, been trying to get a fight party lined up, nobody is interested.....

How is it contradictory? GGG is a bigger star than both Ward and Kovalev. That doesn't make him a STAR. You yourself doesn't think they'll do 75K buys, which is ridiculous. Fight fans buy good fights. There will be pretty close to a 100% buy rate among hardcore fans for Ward-Kovalev. A lotta hardcore fans passed on GGG-Lemieux. And when you're not a crossover star like a Floyd, Manny, and to a lesser extent Canelo. Not getting a huge percentage of the hardcore community kills your numbers. Which is why GGG-Lemieux was a PPV bust. GGG hasn't reached a point where he doesn't need the full support of the hardcore community to sell.

[PunchyPotorff]

So your answer, who was team Ggg offered the fight by? 2 words will suffice.

I dunno how you're trying to spin this Canelo thing into a net loss for Ggg, sometimes I wonder how sincere you are. There are obviously posters here paid for their output...

How do you figure it's a win? Like NearHypnos said, really all he got was having to pay a sanctioning fee. How is that a win? Sanchez doesn't want Lara, nor Mora. They're complicated fights, and if he were so confident he'd jump at the chance. The pickings are getting slim in the MW div if you keep coming up with excuses. GGG should just do it, if he thinks he actually can. Anything else is a duck.

[Flash13]

Yeah..And he did some 300k with Canelo. Probably none for him but people know who he is..theyve seen him fight. Berto and Floyd didnt sell that well but everyone knows Floyd. Look. Lara isn't some star...we know it. But he's definitively more known than youre giving him credit for. Being known and being popular are different. Lara is a good name in the sport.

It's not putting GGG on the map. But I'd rather watch Lara than Tureano Johnson.

We already know Saunders and Jacobs arent going to do it for September. (i had edited my previous post not sure if you saw)

And your comment about the second in bolded...You think otherwise? You can't possibly think the Charlo brothers have anything to offer Lara after tonight...hell, one arguably lost to Trout... And you wouldnt be implying Liam Smith is better would you? :/

Okay if no Saunders or Jacobs(disappointing), then yes i'm with you as Lara as a name.

Idk I thought he just looked okay tonight. I'm not saying he's not the best, but he definitely hasn't separated himself from the group, if you know what i mean. I expected more......

[hitking]

It's not like he was alone this whole time. Mayweather made Pacquiao, and vice versa. He would not have done it alone, no way.

Floyd was doing good numbera pre-Pacquiao and visa versa. Floyd almost did a million PPVs with Hatton while Manny was still at 130. They helped each other. But both crossed over because of their fights with DLH. Just like Canelo crossed over because of his fight with Floyd. And all bend over and took B-side treatment to do so. Which is also something GGG hasn't been willing to do.

[Flash13]

How is it contradictory? GGG is a bigger star than both Ward and Kovalev. That doesn't make him a STAR. You yourself doesn't think they'll do 75K buys, which is ridiculous. Fight fans buy good fights. There will be pretty close to a 100% buy rate among hardcore fans for Ward-Kovalev. A lotta hardcore fans passed on GGG-Lemieux. And when you're not a crossover star like a Floyd, Manny, and to a lesser extent Canelo. Not getting a huge percentage of the hardcore community kills your numbers. Which is why GGG-Lemieux was a PPV bust. GGG hasn't reached a point where he doesn't need the full support of the hardcore community to sell.

I hope your right about Ward-Kov or Kov-Ward, whatever. It really is a very very high quality fight, but its one of those things i need to see it to believe it. I hope it does 300k buys, but imo i doubt it gets to 100k. Highly doubt it.

To the bolded:
It definitely was not a bust. You keep using different sources for the PPV buys(which is extremely lame btw), but I've always gone with ESPN so i'm using the 150k buys. While that might sound small(agreed), it was enough for the purses of the fighters.

[hitking]

How do you figure it's a win? Like NearHypnos said, really all he got was having to pay a sanctioning fee. How is that a win? Sanchez doesn't want Lara, nor Mora. They're complicated fights, and if he were so confident he'd jump at the chance. The pickings are getting slim in the MW div if you keep coming up with excuses. GGG should just do it, if he thinks he actually can. Anything else is a duck.

You hit the nail on the head. I think GGG would absolutely wreck Lara. But there's also a possibility that GGG could look bad, and that's why his team doesn't want it. I think there's ZERO fear of him losing to Lara. But GGG is being marketed as this unbeatable wrecking machine. And they don't wanna risk that aura by him possibily looking human against a spoiler like Lara.

[Flash13]

Floyd was doing good numbera pre-Pacquiao and visa versa. Floyd almost did a million PPVs with Hatton while Manny was still at 130. They helped each other. But both crossed over because of their fights with DLH. Just like Canelo crossed over because of his fight with Floyd. And all bend over and took B-side treatment to do so. Which is also something GGG hasn't been willing to do.

to the first bolded:
Key word almost.... After Pacquiao he started doing over a million buys as the A-side. Which is a sign of a HUGE STAR. Over a mill, and you've become something big. Agreed with the rest of it until the last bolded.

Where is the proof for this? I'm not sure how you can make this statement.

[NearHypnos]

Okay if no Saunders or Jacobs(disappointing), then yes i'm with you as Lara as a name.

Idk I thought he just looked okay tonight. I'm not saying he's not the best, but he definitely hasn't separated himself from the group, if you know what i mean. I expected more......

Story of Lara's career. He's hard to like and like you I agree. If no Jacobs, BJS, or hell..even a big puncher like Quillin I'd prefer over a random 160 pounder (i hope its not ironic that I say random and everyone considers quillin a random lol..bias towards kid chocolate here). Lara is the best known available. Sure...GGG is favored big but who isnt he favored big against? Think I like vouching for f ucking Lara? Lol. That's just the state of things at 160 and trying to build GGG's resume ya know?