Why do people say floyd was "caught" doing peds?

[Robbie Barrett]

I guess I meant "caught" in the sense fight fans only found out about it until well after the fact. I understand that USADA (which must follow WADA Code) was present, but it appears that USADA wasn't even following their own protocol. That certainly has people scratching your head. I believe Mayweather took 750ml!

" M2. Chemical and Physical Manipulation
The following are prohibited:

Tampering, or Attempting to Tamper, to alter the integrity and validity of Samples collected during Doping Control. Including but not limited to: Urine substitution and/or adulteration, e.g. proteases.
Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations."

USADA followed their own protocol.

"If a Prohibited Substance is administered via IV infusion or injection a TUE
application must be submitted for the Prohibited Substance regardless of
whether the infusion is less than 50 mL or the setting/circumstances under
which it is administered. In situations of medical emergency or clinical time
constraints, a retroactive TUE application is acceptable (ISTUE 2015 article 4.3)."

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/TUE_guidance_intravenous_infusion.pdf

[robertzimmerman]

revelated,

What we both know is this. USADA administered the IV because under Floyd's condition at the time, they could not get a reliable sample.

The problem is, you and a lot of people are ignoring that fact because you let Hauser blind you with his initial article - and you ignore his follow up mea culpa that confirms this.

Stop calling Floyd a cheat when it was done by the drug testing administration TO get a drug test out of him.

What we know, is that the Organisations weren't all singing from the same hymn sheet.

We know what USADA said. But that's not the end of it. Because they went against WADA's protocol who classes an IV as an emergency procedure needing hospital care.

Like you say, WADA slapped USADA's hand. And that's a hell of a lot easier to do than to open up a huge investigation that brings everyone into question.

Thomas Hauser's not blinded me with anything. He's raised su****ion and has asked questions that to my knowledge have still yet to be answered.

Basically, WADA has covered for USADA.

Instead of just quoting USADA, you should be concentrating more on the fact of the actual IV itself.

I've watched Floyd closely from 98 onwards, and there's no plausible explanation as to why he'd have been so dehydrated the day before the fight, that he'd have needed an IV of that magnitude. It looks highly su****ious.

He comes into camp only needing to lose a few pounds.

He hardly rehydrates by anything after the weigh-ins.

He's constantly in shape all year round like Bernard Hopkins.

To my knowledge, he doesn't do anything the day before a fight, because the hard work's done. So give me a plausible explanation.

We know he wasn't struggling to make the weight.

How many boxers train hard the day before the fight?

It just doesn't add up, and quotes from USADA saying he did nothing wrong aren't going to cut it for me.

I'm an intelligent, logical, free thinking person. And none of this satisfies me.

[BuckToothed]

So you're agreeing with the idea that Floyd had a medical emergency.

"A medical emergency is any medical problem that could cause death or permanent injury if not treated."

You also believe that this medical emergency was due to dehydration. Out of the classifications of dehydration, severe dehydration is the one considered a medical emergency.

"Severe dehydration (loss of 10-15% of body fluids) is a life-threatening condition that requires immediate medical care."

So you truly believe that Floyd had that?

Signs and symptoms of severe dehydration:

-Severely decreased urine output or no urine output. The urine, if any, produced is concentrated and a deep yellow or amber color.
-Dizziness or lightheadedness that does not allow the person to stand or walk normally.
-Blood pressure drops when the person tries to stand after lying down (low blood pressure or orthostatic hypotension)
-Rapid heart rate
-Fever
-Poor skin elasticity (skin slowly sinks back to its normal position when pinched)
-Sunken eyes
-Lethargy, confusion, or coma
-Seizure
-Shock

I don't know about his vital sign readings like blood pressure, but what about his appearance? Did he have sunken eyes? Did he look confused? Did he look like this?



That's a guy with true severe dehydration.

Floyd at weigh-in:


Yeah, ok.

Wow, Floyd Sr. is definitely severely dehydrated...

[robertzimmerman]

They dismiss any wrong doing because he did nothing wrong, he followed the rules.

You can't see the woods for the trees.

The protocol was breached and compromised, and there's no plausible explanation for Floyd having being so dehydrated.

You stick to those quotes if it makes you happy.

This will continue for years.

[BuckToothed]

750ml of IV fluids would be a consistent amount to rehydrate a 150lb athlete.

Why do you mention it like the amount is excessive for treating dehydration?

Is it because of the WADA 50ml per 6 hour limit? You couldn't rehydrate a baby with that amount.

Please elaborate on these two points, because I have a feeling you don't know what you are talking about...

I'll wait for your reply, then I'll tell you why you are wrong.

[Robbie Barrett]

You can't see the woods for the trees.

The protocol was breached and compromised, and there's no plausible explanation for Floyd having being so dehydrated.

You stick to those quotes if it makes you happy.

This will continue for years.

USADA followed the protocol.

"If a Prohibited Substance is administered via IV infusion or injection a TUE
application must be submitted for the Prohibited Substance regardless of
whether the infusion is less than 50 mL or the setting/circumstances under
which it is administered. In situations of medical emergency or clinical time
constraints, a retroactive TUE application is acceptable (ISTUE 2015 article 4.3)."

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/TUE_guidance_intravenous_infusion.pdf

You just don't know what you're talking about.

[robertzimmerman]

Again how do you know what Mayweather did or didn't do?

Because I've closely followed his career for almost 20 years.

Floyd does not have to shed 3 pounds just before a fight.

Open your eyes.

[Dosumpthin]

Both USADA and WADA have that limit though, right? Plus, USADA states that IV infusion isn't allowed for mild to moderate dehydration. It's only for medical emergencies. So, the type of dehydration Floyd would have had would be severe dehydration. I already posted the signs and symptoms of severe dehydration (visually, Floyd didn't look like a guy with severe dehydration) and I'll add that if you have severe dehydration, you lose about 10% of your total body weight. How in the world could Floyd have weighed in at 146 lbs then become 131.6 lbs after weigh-ins?



The thing is, it isn't just Floyd who is being questioned by boxing fans. It also includes USADA, and by extension, NSAC.

To simplify 50ml per 6 hour limit placed by WADA vs 750ml floyd used to rehydrate.....

Imagine if your local government issued a restriction of a maximum of 8 cups of drinking water per adult per day per household. If you need to use more than 8 cups of water, for example to bathe, then you must apply for a cleansing use exemption.

They don't expect you to bathe with your 8 cups of drinking water. The restriction is there so they can monitor/supervise water consumption beyond the bare necessities because people can simply claim they needed to bathe 2 times a day as a justification of repeated abuse of over consumption and non compliance of a water restriction.


Understand?


WADA doesn't expect an athlete to rehydrate via 50ml - however they want to be informed when and why an athlete does rehydrate intravenously. They don't want an athlete claiming they were dehyratred due to a work out as a justification for using an iv 2 times a day.

And again , the notion that WADA only allows IV for "severe" dehydration has already been proven false throughout the 1000 threads discussing the topic. Not going to go into detail discussion of WADA code but instead simply state NSAC USADA AND WADA has done their job and, directly or indirectly, has accepted the validity of Floyds tue for IV. Period.


The point of this thread is bring light of the fact investigative journalist Thomas Hauser made a monumentally huge mistake that can not be overlooked by intelligent boxing fans and boxing media outlets.


Floyd was not "caught" by dco with an iv in his arm, which sent shockwaves throughout the entire boxing community, like detective m.d. hauser initially reported and has since admitted he was wrong by accepting USADA statement that the DCO was present and notified of the intended IV use.


Why do people still say floyd was "caught".


What if dan Raphael retracts his statements of provetkin failing the 3rd but instead failed his 1st vada test for melodium. That changes the dynamic of the original story.


Well Thomas hauser changed the dynamic of "can boxing trust USADA" when he admitted floyd was not "caught" with an iv in his arm.

Does any of this seem su****ious to you?

An ivestigative journalist reporting MAJOR inaccuracies such as " being caught" or imaginary things like "inadvertent use waivers"?

Nothing? Put aside your hate for floyd and let's discuss facts.

[Robbie Barrett]

Because I've closely followed his career for almost 20 years.

Floyd does not have to shed 3 pounds just before a fight.

Open your eyes.

You followed his career so you know what he eats, when he exercises and how much he needs to lose the days leading up to a fight? GTFO silly ****. You're making assumptions, you don't KNOW a thing.

[robertzimmerman]

IV's are not banned under NSAC rules. Their problem was with USADA thinking they can hand out TUE's by themselves not with Mayweathers IV use.

They are banned by WADA, unless it's for a medical emergency.

Quoting USADA doesn't make everything okay.

Again, their protocol was compromised.