Comments Thread For: Garcia: If Golovkin Will Face Floyd at 154, Then Face Canelo at 155

[BillyBoxing]

You can have any opinion you want of anything. Doesn't change the fact that a broke old person will usually kick themselves in the rear any time they remember the money that got away. NOTHING is weak about my argument. Wait til you're old and reality smacks you 'round a bit. Happens every day to people. And some of the bad decisions GGG has made leads me to believe he'll keep making them throughout his life. Sticking at MW just to get all the belts... when SMW and/or LHW is waiting for even better money. That's not the brightest move. Whether he has one or all belts, he's well respected. 1, 2 more belt(s) doesn't change a thing in his legacy. He may even be respected less if he gets Canelo's belt by default.

So GGG is the puss if Nelo vacate??

Canelo would be Golovkin's biggest payday, agreed, but he doesn't need Nelo to make money.

Sad to say, but he is already making pretty good money fighting bums and contenders on HBO.

He's basically doing money without even getting in the ring, we can guess Air Jordan and Apple aren't bad payers.

[hugh grant]

If nelo really is gggs main threat at 160, and is the only real opponent standing in gggs way of being proclaimed king, its got to be at 160.
Otherwise people will see nelo as at best the fourth best 160 guy behind bjs and Jacobs.

[icha]

If nelo really is gggs main threat at 160, and is the only real opponent standing in gggs way of being proclaimed king, its got to be at 160.
Otherwise people will see nelo as the fourth best 160 guy behind bjs and Jacobs.

by people you mean some users here on nsb?? do you really think a superstar cares about this?
we as hardcore fans criticize fighters, but really the casuals(90% of fans) dont really know about catchweights, mandatories, weightclasses, sometimes they dont even know who is the champion, i dont see no casuals tainting anything on floyd for his CW, thats the reason fighters dont even care about stuff like this, they can continue with their career and it affects very little even if its not the right thing to do...
this is all BS, but lets be realistic and not pretend like a fighters career depend on it...

[BillyBoxing]

As usual, you make some fair points, and you are honest.

I obviously have preferences btw fighters but I try to be fair with guys putting their life on the line.

Golovkin is obviously playing the exact same risk/reward game as everyone else...... some guys are avoiding Golovkin, but Golovkin is also avoiding the guys he doesn't wanna fight.

Yes but I don't think he has been avoiding guys in his OWN division wich cannot be said for 90% of others boxing stars.

It's kinda harsh to label Golovkin as a ducker.

The Ward/Mayweather thing..... simply cannot be taken seriously.

Those guys were 3 divisions apart, 4 now, so that fight was NEVER realistic.

That was a silly twitter beef over Guerrero......

Ward publicly addressed the issue..... he stated that he never considered pursuing a Mayweather fight, that the fight is totally unrealistic and will never happen, and that he cannot make 160.....





I have posted that video for kafkod AT LEAST 6 times, but the dishonest little wanker still continues to run with that rubbish.

Let me give you an example...... when you mention Lara, kafkod will insist that twitter banter is NOT an official negotiation..... but he still insists that the off-handed twitter comment from Ward was a genuine attempt to pursue a Mayweather fight.....

..... and the ONLY reason he does that is to give himself a weak comeback when asked why Golovkin was prepared to fight Froch at 172 but needed a catchweight for Ward.

More than anything else, Ward isn't an idiot and back pedaled because he realized that fight would never happen but I think he meant it.

Lara is an Haymon's cat, and fighting at 154, so we can guess that fight never was something serious.

I think Golovkin sould fight Lara, that's a great fight between 2 amateur world champions.

But in the last years he has only been fighting flat footed or weak guys so it would be a huge jump in level, he should fight Jacobs of Saunders next before a Lara showdown.
GGG is probably starting to get used too much to "friday nights"level fighters.

But if he ko Jacobs or Saunders in less than 8 rounds people will say he fought another bum.

Personally I am sick of the fanboi bull****, and sick of this whole subject really..... but it's no problem discussing this kind of thing with you.

Props for your honest outlook on the game, you are obviously pretty passionate about the sport.

Whether I agree or not, good posting, and all the best ^^

Yeah, that GGG vs Nelo drama catchweight is getting boring.

Thank you for your comment, you seems to be a fair cat too.

[BillyBoxing]

That's a point I've made myself in other threads. If Canelo fights GGG he won't try to move and be illusive ... he can't fight like that. And he wouldn't have to chase Golovkin down either.

What Canelo would do vs Golovkin is stand his ground and counter punch. Weighing in at 160 instead of 155 is bound to make him more effective and more dangerous in a fight like that.

Who knows, Canelo at 160lbs might just be the man to give GGG a real test, possibly even beat him. He is the bigger of the two men. Basic common sense tells you that a higher weight limit benefits a bigger man more than a smaller.

Canelo vs Golovkin at 160lbs is the fight that all real boxing fans should be calling for. Lets see the 2 best middleweights in the world go head to head at 100% strength and fitness and find out who is the A side in the ring, not at the negotiating table.

I'm convinced Nelo would have more pop/speed at 160.

That's what happended with Pacquiao moving up from 130 to 140/147.
He stopped rehydrating more than 5 pounds.

Unlike what Malignaggi said "it's impossible to grow up after 29 and keeping his speed while increasing power".
That's not the subject.

Pacquiao didn't grow up in weight, he already was 145 on fight nights when he was fighting at 130, right now he fights around 148, so he has bulked up 3 pounds.

He's basically the same cat, but isn't rehydrating 15 pounds anymore.
He's the same fighter with obviously MORE energy (speed/power) in his punches.

Rehydrating 15/20 pounds in 24 hours is a torture session.

[kafkod]

Exactly, what's wrong with that, they are ALL doing the same.

Ward did the same, called out Floyd at 160 and said he would go to 160 only for Floyd.

So if I follow the new rule of the flumo/anti GGG dontae nation's code lol, "Ward ducking GGG doe".

Then GGG team asked for a 164 CW, not 161.
Canelo and GBP are so full of themselves with this 155 demand.
Admit you don't want to fight middleweights and vacate.



He has been avoided in his own division. It was pretty much clear that Quillin Martinez then Cotto wanted no part of GGG.



Again he might avoid bigger men at 168 and avoid draining himself to 155 or 154 but the real deal is about fighting the 3 other belt holders, that's basically what he has to do.

One is kidnapping the WBC belt fighting a WW at 155.

Then you guys on GGG. lol

As usual, you make some fair points, and you are honest.

Golovkin is obviously playing the exact same risk/reward game as everyone else...... some guys are avoiding Golovkin, but Golovkin is also avoiding the guys he doesn't wanna fight.

The Ward/Mayweather thing..... simply cannot be taken seriously.

Those guys were 3 divisions apart, 4 now, so that fight was NEVER realistic.

That was a silly twitter beef over Guerrero......

Ward publicly addressed the issue..... he stated that he never considered pursuing a Mayweather fight, that the fight is totally unrealistic and will never happen, and that he cannot make 160.....





I have posted that video for kafkod AT LEAST 6 times, but the dishonest little wanker still continues to run with that rubbish.

Let me give you an example...... when you mention Lara, kafkod will insist that twitter banter is NOT an official negotiation..... but he still insists that the off-handed twitter comment from Ward was a genuine attempt to pursue a Mayweather fight.....

..... and the ONLY reason he does that is to give himself a weak comeback when asked why Golovkin was prepared to fight Froch at 172 but needed a catchweight for Ward.

Personally I am sick of the fanboi bull****, and sick of this whole subject really..... but it's no problem discussing this kind of thing with you.

Props for your honest outlook on the game, you are obviously pretty passionate about the sport.

Whether I agree or not, good posting, and all the best ^^

Aboutfkntime ... Billyboxing is making exactly the same points as me, but he's a fair poster and I'm a fanboy wanker?

How many times have I told you that, to me, Ward and Golovkin's statements about dropping weight for Floyd should not be viewed as serious attempts to make a fight?

The same thing applies to Lara putting out challenges to Golovkin on twitter.

And remember, Ward started talking about fighting Floyd off his own bat. All Golovkin has ever done is say that he would fight him if he got the chance, when asked about it in interviews

What I am asking from you and the rest of the GGG hate squad is that you stop being hypocrites and start applying the same standards to Golovkin as you apply to Ward.

If you are going to say: "Golovkin would go to 154 for Floyd, so why not 155 for Canelo?"

Then you should not throw abuse at me when I counter that by saying: "Ward would go to 160 for Floyd, so why not 164 for Golovkin?"

You are quite correct, Ward never made a serious attempt to negotiate a fight with Floyd. AND NEITHER DID GOLOVKIN.

[-PBP-]

Nice to see fighters starting to call dude out on this bull****.

[hugh grant]

I'm sure many middleweights want to fightnelo. But theoretically if nobody wants 155, nelo theoretically may never fight again at middleweight

[AKAcronym]

As I've said before, you don't cut weight for a guy who's going to outweigh you and is already outweighing you. Comparing 154 for May and 155 for Nelo is ****ing ******.

[champion4ever]

No, it's not the same thing because even at 154lb, Floyd is not young, big, strong or could even punch at that weight.

On the other hand, Canelo is a lot younger, stronger, bigger and hits a whole hell of a lot harder than a nearly 40 year old Floyd Mayweather, Jr. At a 155lb. This would give Ginger a decisive advantage over Gennady in their bout.

Besides, cutting even at least 5 lbs at GGG's age of 34, could potentially be very hazardous to his health, while competing against a strong young hungry lion like Saul Alvarez.