Comments Thread For: Golden Boy VP: Canelo is 154-Pounder, No 160 For Golovkin

[UNBIASED BOXING]

I like Golovkin but some of his more rabid, overzealous fans need to chill the hell out.

It's too early for Canelo-GGG fight to happen right now because Canelo has never fought above 155 lbs, he's not a true MW. Canelo needs a few tune-up fights to transition to 160 lbs before he takes on a juggernaut in GGG so the fight can be fair and even for both fighters. I don't know why some dummy boxing fans still haven't grasped this concept yet.

He is a champion. Not just the WBC Champion, but the lineal-title champion.
Once you are a champion in your division, you get no excuses or bull****, "tune-ups" to avoid fighting someone in that same division.

[Joe Beamish]

He needs to be stripped of that belt ASAP, right?

Yes, Canelo should be stripped of the belt if he tries to demand that Golovkin be drained to a catchweight.

But he WON'T be. Unless the WBC dislikes money.

[LetOutTheCage]

This is actually becoming atrocious. Caliming that Canelo is a 154 pound fighter who has not fought at 154 for years, needs upwards of a 3 month camp to even make 155, and comes into the ring fight night at almost cruiser weight. This is why I have been saying for years, forget about banning catchweights, a rehydration limit is the rule that all combat sports, especially boxing should impose. You sign a contract to fight a Jr middle weight at 155 (I know), then you end up fighting a cruiser weight in the ring. I am still surprised that this is still allowed in Boxing.
So lets say GGG gives into Canelo's request of a catch weight. Canelo will effectively have 2 massive advantages. Canelo is far younger and had been draining down to a lower weight for years so he bounces back well, where as GGG will be drained, but not only that Canelo will then enter the ring heavier than GGG. I think a catch weight of 157 is fair, Hopkins did it, but I also think when ever anybody fights Canelo they should fight for a rehydration clause.

How is a catch-weight fair exactly? You just said Canelo comes in at almost crusierweight and will enter the ring heavier than GGG so why is a catch-weight fair? Either Canelo comes in at 160 or he relinquishes his belts, its that simple

[KnickTillDeaTh]

How is a catch-weight fair exactly? You just said Canelo comes in at almost crusierweight and will enter the ring heavier than GGG so why is a catch-weight fair? Either Canelo comes in at 160 or he relinquishes his belts, its that simple

Its fair because I said it is.... Canelo doesn't want to go to 160, GGG wants the big fight, big name, big money, and big belt, well it aint happening at 160. He can drop 3 pounds, Hopkins is bigger than GGG and he met De La Hoya at 157. It is what it is, I got over it a while ago, and it's time for all the little girls on these threads to do the same. Anything under 157 would be unfair to GGG, you don't agree? Well go cry into your pillow.

And for the record im rooting for this fight because GGG takes Canelo out in 8, at a reasonable weight, 157 and above.

And for the record it isn't that simple, boxing is a business and fighters will make business decisions when they are in the position to do so. Unfortunately for GGG Canelo's position is superior, so GGG will have to bend on the weight if he wants the fight, and if you want the fight, if not he can stand on principle and have Canelo stripped (if WBC actually would), for either decision by GGG I would respect, but I would rather see the fight.

[LetOutTheCage]

Its fair because I said it is.... Canelo doesn't want to go to 160, GGG wants the big fight, big name, big money, and big belt, well it aint happening at 160. He can drop 3 pounds, Hopkins is bigger than GGG and he met De La Hoya at 157. It is what it is, I got over it a while ago, and it's time for all the little girls on these threads to do the same. Anything under 157 would be unfair to GGG, you don't agree? Well go cry into your pillow.

And for the record im rooting for this fight because GGG takes Canelo out in 8, at a reasonable weight, 157 and above.

And for the record it isn't that simple, boxing is a business and fighters will make business decisions when they are in the position to do so. Unfortunately for GGG Canelo's position is superior, so GGG will have to bend on the weight if he wants the fight, and if you want the fight, if not he can stand on principle and have Canelo stripped (if WBC actually would), for either decision by GGG I would respect, but I would rather see the fight.

Lol I love how salty you got after I asked you a legitimate question. And it isnt fair just because you say it is If their fighting for the belts it should be at 160 simple as that, if Canelo wasnt holding the belts hostage and it was simply about money then I wouldn't really care about a catchweight (I wouldn't like it because Canelo would not be on an even playing field with his tactics) but I wouldn't be that bothered by it. But when you include a world titles and that GGG is the mandatory then the fight has to be at 160.

There is no justification for a guy who holds belts at middleweight not to fight anyone at middleweight and keep his belts.

[kafkod]

Bold faced, fhuking lie. Biggest lie of the thread, you sir deserve some sort of medal. Cotto agreed to pay GGG 800k to step aside, the WBC wanted an additional 300k for sanctioning fees, Cotto said he'd only pay 150k, WBC waited untill the day before the fight to tell Cotto they wouldn't accept the 150k thinking Cotto would panic and pay the full 300k. Cotto said no, the WBC stripped him, so he also did not pay the step aside to GGG. GBP tried to force Cotto to re negotiate, but since the belt was still available for Canelo to win, there were no grounds to re negotiate.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sports...118-story.html

Hey, I'm a fan, not a pro boxing journalist. I don't keep records or dossiers of what happens behind the scenes, just read about it and then move on. Sometimes I don't remember everything I read with 100% accuracy, but that's not the same as telling lies.

So I made a couple of errors in what I wrote: 80k, not $1million, was the step aside fee paid by Cotto to GGG and nobody actually sued Cotto, though GBP and Canelo both talked about doing it for the reasons I gave in my post: Cotto got a bigger share of the purse because it was a title fight and he was the champion during the negotiations.

The original point of my comments remains valid - word titles matter to boxers and to their promoters, because they bring in money and viewers.

If the belt didn't matter why did Cotto pay GGG to step aside so he could remain as WBC champion till the purse was agreed and the tickets sold for his fight with Canelo?

If the title doesn't matter why are Canelo and Oscar going to such crazy lengths to try and keep hold of it right now?

[titan m]

But he's 26. Even if that wears at him for 5 years, he'll be prime, ggg will damn near be retired. Canelo can give him the fight for pennies, win, and the most people can say is "he was past prime" but historically, no one will care.

If 5 more years pass and Canelo doesn't fight Golovkin, that fight wont matter anymore, a lot can happen in 5 years. If Canelo vacates and Golovkin ends up unifying like he says he wants to it puts Canelo in a bad spot. He will have to fight at 160 sooner than later and if he waits too long Golovkin could have every belt in the division. If Canelo wants to be a champion there, which he will, he'll have to go through Golovkin to get it.

My point is people think Canelo is more special than he is and everybody needs him but Golovkin is getting more popular by the day and holding the middleweight championship gives him bargaining power as well. Canelo cant **** around forever and stay on top, fans will get tired of it, well I mean the ones who haven't already.

[aboutfkntime]

When was the last time Canelo fought at JMW?

It's not my fault he chose to fight a chinny JWW or do I need to also explain the difference between a JWW and WW also?

You may as well, because your efforts to convince me that a fighter is a middleweight despite the fact that he has.....

1) never fought AT middleweight
2) never fought A middleweight
3) has never weighed more than 1lb over the JMW limit

..... have failed miserably.

Go, this will be funny.....

[Beercules]

You may as well, because your efforts to convince me that a fighter is a middleweight despite the fact that he has.....

1) never fought AT middleweight
2) never fought A middleweight
3) has never weighed more than 1lb over the JMW limit

..... have failed miserably.

Go, this will be funny.....

Is he a champion at Middleweight?

[aboutfkntime]

Wrong. He is the mandatory challenger, which indeed gives him a certain amount of leverage, assuming Canelo wants to keep the title. If Canelo doesnt care about the title, then yes, GGG has no leverage. But if Canelo doesnt care about the title, then why is he paying a sanction fee for the Khan fight? So obviously on some level the title matters to Canelo. Only question is how much, and we will find that out in mid May.......

and you might want to talk to someone about your anger issues. If you cant even have a simple debate without having some kind of gay fetish meltdown, then you really should talk to someone. Just a suggestion......

" I have no interest in middleweight "
~ Canelo

" I have no interest in Canelo, we just want the belt "
~ Pu55ykin

That fight is dead, move on !