Comments Thread For: Golden Boy VP: Canelo is 154-Pounder, No 160 For Golovkin

[Beercules]

Nothing, who mentioned Khan ?

You tried to make excuses for Pacquiao's bull**** paper-title at JMW.

I pointed out that it is exactly the same as Canelo's bull**** MW strap.

Your're the one who mentioned Manny

He vacated the title, Canelo is defending it.

[HandsofIron]

That is his choice because he created his own weight class. He blows up to over 170 lbs on fight night. So why exactly doesn't he fight at MW or stay at JMW and fight at 154? Why 155? Who or what is he trying to avoid?

No disrespect but "blowing up to 170" is irrelevant, it don't matter how much he blows up to. That's casual/noob talk. He makes the official contracted weight, that's all that matters.

So I'll use that "blowing up weight" logic for a sec. Just imagine if Canelo decided to fight tomorrow, officially at 175, like his naive detractors foolishly say cuz he "blows up" to 175-180 or whatever, he would be outweighed by legit light heavyweights who probably blow up around 190-200+ lbs.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Lol I love how salty you got after I asked you a legitimate question. And it isnt fair just because you say it is If their fighting for the belts it should be at 160 simple as that, if Canelo wasnt holding the belts hostage and it was simply about money then I wouldn't really care about a catchweight (I wouldn't like it because Canelo would not be on an even playing field with his tactics) but I wouldn't be that bothered by it. But when you include a world titles and that GGG is the mandatory then the fight has to be at 160.

There is no justification for a guy who holds belts at middleweight not to fight anyone at middleweight and keep his belts.

Not one ounce of salt my friend, I answered your question after a sarcastic New Yorker nice way of saying Fhuk what you think hello. If you didnt understand let me simplify...
GGG want big fight and big money, GGG have to give up weight. Boom done. If GGG gives up the weight and takes the fight cool, if not and gets Canelo stripped thats cool too. Should Canelo go all the way to 160 yes, but it aint happening. GGG fights at a catchweight but gets his big name big money fight, Canelo gets to keep pretending he's a welterweight fighting 2 divisions up, win win hence fair.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

No disrespect but "blowing up to 170" is irrelevant, it don't matter how much he blows up to. That's casual/noob talk. He makes the official contracted weight, that's all that matters.

So I'll use that "blowing up weight" logic for a sec. Just imagine if Canelo decided to fight tomorrow, officially at 175, like his naive detractors foolishly say cuz he "blows up" to 175-180 or whatever, he would be outweighed by legit light heavyweights who probably blow up around 190-200+ lbs.

Rehydration in boxing should be regulated. I really don't know what you and the other guy were discussing but I think your understanding of weight and division is off. The problem is when Canelo fighs a person in his own division he outweighs them by almost 20 lbs on fight night. Most fighters will only outweigh their opponents by 5 to 10 more than 10 pounds usually indicates a fighter is done at that weight. So to use your light heavyweight comparison, a light heavyweight who fights another light heavyweight, will not out weigh there opponent by 20 lbs on fight night.

Rehydration should be regulated, not just for Canelo but for every fight, or at least championship fights.

[aboutfkntime]

Your're the one who mentioned Manny

He vacated the title, Canelo is defending it.

So, Canelo's reign could end up being legit, but Pac's clearly will not ?



Is it getting better for you, or worse ? LMAO

Pac never fought a JMW, and Canelo never fought a middleweight.

BOTH are bull****.

Attempting to paint more/less into either one, is blatant fan-boi rubbish.

[aboutfkntime]

Rehydration in boxing should be regulated. I really don't know what you and the other guy were discussing but I think your understanding of weight and division is off. The problem is when Canelo fighs a person in his own division he outweighs them by almost 20 lbs on fight night. Most fighters will only outweigh their opponents by 5 to 10 more than 10 pounds usually indicates a fighter is done at that weight. So to use your light heavyweight comparison, a light heavyweight who fights another light heavyweight, will not out weigh there opponent by 20 lbs on fight night.

Rehydration should be regulated, not just for Canelo but for every fight, or at least championship fights.

Fight-night weight is largely irrelevant.

That is why boxing uses weight divisions.

The total amount of conditioning and functional muscle-mass that you can take into a fight is determined at the official weigh-in..... excess water-weight will not help in that regard, and can even be detrimental.

The argument that Canelo is a LHW because he weighs 170 on fight night really is crazy.

He could move up to middleweight, no question..... and when he does, he will be stronger.

Which genuine JMW did Canelo outweigh by more than 10lb's ?

Lara weighs 165, Angulo weighs 170, Trout weighs 165'ish.

I think the issue is waaay over-blown..... and to say that Canelo wins just because of a size advantage, is horribly incorrect. That didn't help him against Mayweather, he doesn't try to walk over or bully his opponents.

Also, look at say, Geale/Cotto..... didn't Geale outweigh Cotto by 20lbs in that fight?

There is some truth in what you are saying, would Chavez have been as successful at 160 had his rehydration been restricted?..... but I think the issue is largely over-blown.

It has become a convenient bashing tool for some to use on Canelo, but his fight-night weight doesn't have nearly the same impact the people make out. I don't hear boxing insiders mentioning it at all, their main issue with his weight is the 155 bull****.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Fight-night weight is largely irrelevant.

That is why boxing uses weight divisions.

The total amount of conditioning and functional muscle-mass that you can take into a fight is determined at the official weigh-in..... excess water-weight will not help in that regard, and can even be detrimental.

The argument that Canelo is a LHW because he weighs 170 on fight night really is crazy.

He could move up to middleweight, no question..... and when he does, he will be stronger.

Which genuine JMW did Canelo outweigh by more than 10lb's ?

Lara weighs 165, Angulo weighs 170, Trout weighs 165'ish.

I think the issue is waaay over-blown..... and to say that Canelo wins just because of a size advantage, is horribly incorrect. That didn't help him against Mayweather, he doesn't try to walk over or bully his opponents.

Also, look at say, Geale/Cotto..... didn't Geale outweigh Cotto by 20lbs in that fight?

There is some truth in what you are saying, would Chavez have been as successful at 160 had his rehydration been restricted?..... but I think the issue is largely over-blown.

It has become a convenient bashing tool for some to use on Canelo, but his fight-night weight doesn't have nearly the same impact the people make out. I don't hear boxing insiders mentioning it at all, their main issue with his weight is the 155 bull****.

You went a bit off the rails in your response. I would just end with this, how many fighters in history have rehydrated 20+ lbs after weigh in? Guarantee if you find another fighter who did, they moved up in weight soon after, excluding heavyweights. Canelo is fighting at a lower weight for an advantage, a lot of fighters do it, but they usually outgrow the weight completely and move on, Canelo on the other hand goes through 3 month training camps to ensure he remains with a weight advantage. I don't think Canelo is a light heavyweight, but usually a fighter rehydrates 10 lbs above their respective fighting weight, that would make Canelo a super middleweight, or a large middleweight at the very least. Either way same night weigh ins should be returned, and 10 lbs rehydration should be the rule. As I said previous, it's not just about Canelo, I have been saying this for years, and if you google it, you would find boxing pundits who have expressed the same concerns.

[BrometheusBob.]

This is actually becoming atrocious. Caliming that Canelo is a 154 pound fighter who has not fought at 154 for years, needs upwards of a 3 month camp to even make 155, and comes into the ring fight night at almost cruiser weight. This is why I have been saying for years, forget about banning catchweights, a rehydration limit is the rule that all combat sports, especially boxing should impose. You sign a contract to fight a Jr middle weight at 155 (I know), then you end up fighting a cruiser weight in the ring. I am still surprised that this is still allowed in Boxing.
So lets say GGG gives into Canelo's request of a catch weight. Canelo will effectively have 2 massive advantages. Canelo is far younger and had been draining down to a lower weight for years so he bounces back well, where as GGG will be drained, but not only that Canelo will then enter the ring heavier than GGG. I think a catch weight of 157 is fair, Hopkins did it, but I also think when ever anybody fights Canelo they should fight for a rehydration clause.

Huh, this point gets kind of slept on. I wonder how much a difference in weigh-in weight this makes.

[aboutfkntime]

You went a bit off the rails in your response. I would just end with this, how many fighters in history have rehydrated 20+ lbs after weigh in? Guarantee if you find another fighter who did, they moved up in weight soon after, excluding heavyweights. Canelo is fighting at a lower weight for an advantage, a lot of fighters do it, but they usually outgrow the weight completely and move on, Canelo on the other hand goes through 3 month training camps to ensure he remains with a weight advantage. I don't think Canelo is a light heavyweight, but usually a fighter rehydrates 10 lbs above their respective fighting weight, that would make Canelo a super middleweight, or a large middleweight at the very least. Either way same night weigh ins should be returned, and 10 lbs rehydration should be the rule. As I said previous, it's not just about Canelo, I have been saying this for years, and if you google it, you would find boxing pundits who have expressed the same concerns.

Actually, true..... I did.

Sorry ^^

I agree with the rehydration rule, IF there are no same-day weigh-in's.

Guys will still kill themselves to make weight bro, with same day weigh-in's or without, and not having that day to recover is dangerous..... I believe the research that went into that decision.

But yea, fair point about the weight.

I think it's a little over-blown, but some kind of rule specifying how much you can hydrate would be fair. But each division has a range, you get smaller/bigger guys fighting in 1 division..... the rule would still need to accommodate larger guys who put the work in..... guys like Kovalev, etc.

But, just a thought..... IF you can make 154, and be healthy for 12 rounds..... doesn't that make you a JMW, regardless as to your water-weight, or hydration weight?

IF you can make 154 and be healthy for 12 rounds..... but you happen to come in heavier than most other JMW's..... doesn't that simply make you one of the bigger guys in the division..... like Kovalev?

And like I said, what genuine JMW did Canelo outweigh by 10lb's ?

I really think the issue is a little over-blown, especially when discussing a guy who doesn't even use his size/weight to his advantage.