Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter: Until Canelo Decides, It's Hard To Speculate

[Bronx2245]

GGG/Canelo cannot be compared to BHop/Oscar.

There are several important differences between the 2 situations.

1) The catchweight BHop agreed to was 158lbs. Canelo is trying to drag GGG down to 155.

2) Oscar was a SWW fighting above his natural weight. BHop knew that he would be entering the ring significantly bigger and stronger than Dela Hoya, even after making 158. Canelo is naturally bigger than Golovkin. He enters the ring at 175+ after cutting to 155. Golovkin comes in at 169/170 after weighing in at 160.

3) BHop wanted to unify the MW division. He would never have gotten Oscar into the ring to defend the WBO title without accepting a catchweight. Golovkin is the WBC interim champion and Canelo's mandatory challenger. That means he doesn't need to accept any conditions except those laid down by the WBC in order to either fight Canelo or be promoted to reigning champion if Canelo won't play ball.

4) Canelo isn't getting any younger or lighter. If he won't fight GGG as champion, he's going to have to come back and fight him as a challenger sooner or later.

1) The catch weight was 157, Hopkins came in @ 156, and De La Hoya was 155. For B-Hop to come in @ 156, at age 39, makes GGG complaining about 155, at age 34, look very "suspect."

2) Canelo is weighing-in @ 155, the exact same as Oscar De La Hoya. Canelo was probably 170 on fight night when he fought Floyd, but that didn't stop Floyd from fighting him. Champs fight bigger people sometimes (Floyd). Champs fight smaller people sometimes (B-Hop). This is what champs do!

3) GGG does NOT have to accept Canelo's terms. However GGG will never be on the same level as B-Hop, Mayweather, Cotto, or Pacquiao, if he doesn't fight somebody with a resume ASAP!

4) If GGG wants to stick around at 160 and wait for Canelo, that's his decision, but we can stop with all the talk of "anyone from 154-168" especially when somehow GGG seemed to miss the chance to fight Ward and Canelo.

[MDPopescu]

Well, there's always that guy who hangs outside of the local Home Depot you can fight.

Paul Smith?............................

[HeroBando]

He wants the belt "whether he wins it or is anointed..." That shouldn't be said by a champion (or his team). You should want to WIN IT! That should make a lot of difference to you. Nobody likes catch-weights, but they are NOT something new. Floyd, Manny, Canelo, B-Hop, have all been in catch-weight title fights! It's not like we're asking GGG to re-invent the ****ing wheel! Go to 155 and become GREAT!

If his opponent is to scared to enter the Ring, and is disrespecting the sport, he needs to be stripped and a better champ crowned.

Why are you still repeating that garbage about CWs? It's been explained to you many times that Canelo is setting all kinds of disgraceful precedents, dummy

[kafkod]

The million dollar question here is does this really matter to most fans? Look at all the hate GGG gets here. You don't think most people will think its fine that Canelo sidesteps this fight & this title (assuming the WBC strips him, which I still have doubts about happening despite the agreements made tbh)? I think most won't give a damn & I think most will dog GGG for not accepting the fight at 155 if anything. And then GGG gots the titles, but Canelo is still gonna be the #1 guy people consider is the best at 160 (ie 155). Hell I won't be surprised if the WBC gives Canelo some new belt if they do take his current one away thats how bs this whole WBC angle is to this whole thing to me.

The people who post hate about GGG here are not "most fans"

They are a small gang of dedicated trolls, Mayweather fanboys, who hate GGG because Floyd talks schit about him and "his fans are all paktards doe"

No matter he did or didn't do, those clowns would keep coming back posting garbage about him. In the real world, nobody is going to dog Golovkin about not accepting a catchweight from Canelo, even if they know about it.

Golovkin's popularity is growing steadily. By the end if the year he could be a bigger name, globally, than Canelo, if he isn't already.

Golovkin would be crazy to fight a naturally bigger, but younger man, after draining himself down to 155.

Draining yourself for a smaller man is one thing, doing the same for a bigger man, who is young enough to cut a lot of water weight then rehydrate within 36 hours without weakening himself, is something else again.

[The Big Dunn]

The people who post hate about GGG here are not "most fans"

They are a small gang of dedicated trolls, Mayweather fanboys, who hate GGG because Floyd talks schit about him and "his fans are all paktards doe"

No matter he did or didn't do, those clowns would keep coming back posting garbage about him. In the real world, nobody is going to dog Golovkin about not accepting a catchweight from Canelo, even if they know about it.

Golovkin's popularity is growing steadily. By the end if the year he could be a bigger name, globally, than Canelo, if he isn't already.

Golovkin would be crazy to fight a naturally bigger, but younger man, after draining himself down to 155.

Draining yourself for a smaller man is one thing, doing the same for a bigger man, who is young enough to cut a lot of water weight then rehydrate within 36 hours without weakening himself, is something else again.

why do you continue to try and paint the people that criticize GGG as all Mayweather fans? Many posters critical of his resume do not like floyd at all. They criticize GGG's resume based solely on what it lacks.

You also state and imply in other posts that all of his critics are black and are doing so because GGG is not black. Again, most of those that criticize him on NSB are not black.

Why is race and/or Floyd the only way you feel you can difuse criticism of GGG?

[kafkod]

1) The catch weight was 157, Hopkins came in @ 156, and De La Hoya was 155. For B-Hop to come in @ 156, at age 39, makes GGG complaining about 155, at age 34, look very "suspect."

2) Canelo is weighing-in @ 155, the exact same as Oscar De La Hoya. Canelo was probably 170 on fight night when he fought Floyd, but that didn't stop Floyd from fighting him. Champs fight bigger people sometimes (Floyd). Champs fight smaller people sometimes (B-Hop). This is what champs do!

3) GGG does NOT have to accept Canelo's terms. However GGG will never be on the same level as B-Hop, Mayweather, Cotto, or Pacquiao, if he doesn't fight somebody with a resume ASAP!

4) If GGG wants to stick around at 160 and wait for Canelo, that's his decision, but we can stop with all the talk of "anyone from 154-168" especially when somehow GGG seemed to miss the chance to fight Ward and Canelo.

You are missing the point, which is that Oscar was naturally significantly smaller than BHop, so Bernard could afford to go up against him at less than 100% strength and fitness - due to weighing in lighter than usual - and still be the stronger man on the night.

Canelo is naturally bigger than Golovkin. His 30 day and fight night weights all prove that without any doubt. He is also young enough to recover more rapidly from weight cutting than Golovkin. He's had a lot of practice doing it too, which obviously would be another big assist for him if Golovkin was dumb enough to accept the fight at 155. GGG is 34 and has never fought below 160 in his pro career.

[Eff Pandas]

The people who post hate about GGG here are not "most fans"

They are a small gang of dedicated trolls, Mayweather fanboys, who hate GGG because Floyd talks schit about him and "his fans are all paktards doe"

Whatever the case, & idk how fans motivations are proven either way, I see more people critical of GGG than of Canelo. And lets be real neither guy is un-make-funable of.

Golovkin's popularity is growing steadily. By the end if the year he could be a bigger name, globally, than Canelo, if he isn't already.

I agree GGG is growing in popularity. I have seen nothing to suggest he's more popular globally, but his problem is he's operating in a marketplace thats largely based on the opinions of Americans who often have some Latin heritage & the appeal they fund in things they spend their money on.

Golovkin would be crazy to fight a naturally bigger, but younger man, after draining himself down to 155.

Draining yourself for a smaller man is one thing, doing the same for a bigger man, who is young enough to cut a lot of water weight then rehydrate within 36 hours without weakening himself, is something else again.

I myself question if GGG can make 155. I think most ignore or don't know he was competing in his last few years as an amateur at the 165 division & he's never weighed that low as a pro. I don't think most fans care about that. Canelo & Canelo's fans will control the narrative of why this fight didn't happen & most people who are indifferent to all this will side with them just from that being the consensus like it or not.

[kafkod]

why do you continue to try and paint the people that criticize GGG as all Mayweather fans? Many posters critical of his resume do not like floyd at all. They criticize GGG's resume based solely on what it lacks.

You also state and imply in other posts that all of his critics are black and are doing so because GGG is not black. Again, most of those that criticize him on NSB are not black.

Why is race and/or Floyd the only way you feel you can difuse criticism of GGG?

NOT ****ING TRUE!

I only ever mention race in connection with GGG when others accuse me of only liking him because he is white and even call me a **** and a white supremacist

It's bad enough having ****s continually pulling the race card on me without you trying to shove it into my hand!

[turnedup]

155 is like the only narrative going on here and people are fixated on it. It's a big leverage point for Golovkin/Loeffler to get a favorable split in negotiations. Now the real topic people don't want discuss is the fact that even if Canelo wants to fight Golovkin it comes down to Oscar allowing it to happen and whether he could afford it if his fighter went in there and got stopped in brutal fashion. Can Oscar really keep GBP afloat if he has to go into a rebuilding phase with Canelo's career?

[The Big Dunn]

NOT ****ING TRUE!

I only ever mention race in connection with GGG when others accuse of only liking him because he is white and even call me a **** and a white supremacist

It's bad enough having ****s continually pulling the race card on me without you trying to shove it into my hand!

Yes you do. You and One Punch do this all the time. You can't defend GGG's resume on the merits so the only way to defend is to label the poster. Just stop pretending its one group of posters that has a problem with GGG's resume.