Haymon fighters running to that HBO Money

[bigdunny1]

The NBC broadcast is tommorrow; if your belief is true (NBC is giving up on supporting boxing coverage, pulling all of their talent), who are expected to be the broadcast team? lol.

Have fun vanishing when the squad gets rolled out.

According to Dan Rafael Will be Kenny Rice, BJ Flores, Liam McHugh, Todd Harris.

[bigdunny1]

That's non sense. Wait until the 154 season hits back! You don't just need regular broadcasting stats of the mainstream to know industry is expecting and appreciative of the Lara Martirosyan cards.

These theories ain't going to spook nor are NSB readers influenced by PBC "failed" expentancy. As long as ratings are good, those metrics are good for PBC's general portfilio. It's not like Apple gave up when it's "shares" went down in its darkest times. Assuming they were even dark...

That's on Showtime which ratings are in the tank but none the less has nothing to do with PBC. And are you really comparing a established juggernaut brand like Apple to a start up brand nobody cares about which is hemorrhaging money after 1 year? SMH Apple has brand recognition and history on it's side to weather dark times. PBC doesn't.

[PACnPBFsuck]

This is bad??? Walters & Loma got overpaid

Preaaaaacchhhhh

[Eff Pandas]

Marv, Bob Costas were not replaced on PBC fights because they want to go in a different style and because of complaints on their job. Look at the fools they replaced them with. This is purely a money move getting guys who are cheaper then the A list sports broadcasters they announced last year.

I don't feel like those guys represented boxing well in 2015/2016. Now granted these new guys aren't a bunch of Don Dunphy's or anything, but I bet they are much less expensive. So I definitely agree that was a money move, but I don't think they added as much as you think.

Again what is Spence doing as the headliner for this card? He is not the type of "big name" fighter that PBC started featuring in these NBC cards.

Cmon man you follow boxing quite being dense cuz this is a PBC thing. He's a guy they are trying to push & have big hopes for. He's one of the most hyped prospects in the game right now. And they've showed these big names on NBC. Now they are showing Spence there. That makes him a big name now right?!?!? This isn't any different than someones first HBO World Championship Main Event card or GGG's first PPV. They are attempting to push him up a notch or two here just by virtue of being on a higher platform & via his level of competition some cats may now.

The money is running low.

I think its a fair assessment that PBC has been spending some money, but this has ALWAYS been a long term project & if you think the plan only had one course of action & no plan B or plan C or plan D based on successes or more importantly failures than you aren't that smart. I'm sure investors & Haymon walked into this knowing that it was very possible boxing fans wouldn't embrace right out of the gate via 10M viewers per show & they would just be printing money left & right.

Sometimes you gotta adapt, regroup & attack again. That seems like the situation PBC is in to me. And they can do that by throwing some fights on Showtime, HBO & Sky & making some money via those means. They will have to be smarter in the future with what they do, but as the saying goes the definition of insanity is doing the same thing & expecting different results. Thus they may go the route of building up more prospects & not quite there yet contenders on NBC & other networks Thurman, Broner & Garcia have fought on in the past & cashing in on the already names via Showtime in the future & Spence on NBC & the current Showtime schedule is the first round of that.

[Scipio2009]

PBC has major concerns right now the major drop off in the amount of shows they are putting on, virtually all Haymon fighters are flooding back to Showtime instead of fighting on PBC. The purses are way down from the PBC cards last year. They just let go of most of the NBC on air talent for these PBC shows. They promised that these were all monthly series yet they have gone 8 months without a ESPN card, went like 4 months without a Spike card, went 4 months without a NBC card they canceled NBCSN fights all together so they went from promising 20 fights a year on NBC/NBCSN and now they are half way into April and have ONLY 1 fight for the entire year and nothing right now scheduled beyond April. When was the last Bounce card what 3-4 months ago and nothing scheduled so is Bounce canceled? It's impossible to look at all these cuts and say it's not related to money problems especially given the light of the financial struggles of their backers Waddell and Reed. HBO has made small incremental changes over a long span of time (because of factors outside of boxing) and they are already an established brand in boxing with all the elite talent, PBC has drastically made cuts 1 year in and they don't even have a TV deal they are currently paying networks for air time. PBC doesn't just have financial problems they have creditably problems. In a short time they are extremely polarizing and criticized for their product by the boxing community.

More troubling after all that money spent in year 1 none of the fighters who were featured on PBC are bigger attractions because of it. Actually the numbers prove opposite fighters are losing the momentum they had 2 years ago (before PBC) and fighters who are going back to Showtime after fighting on PBC are drawing fewer ratings. Which again screams to a credibility issue fans see with the PBC product. The more this goes on the more of a disaster PBC looks like because they can't continue on this path much longer. It's done little but lose hundreds of millions of investors money with not much to show for it.

13 PBC shows in the cue are confirmed before the end of June isn't a terrible pace (not counting any shows that were delivered to Showtime); with there still be time to go, there could be another 2-4 shows added to the PBC schedule before the end of June.

Extrapolate that out for the full year and you're looking at 40 PBC shows for the year (with the schedule likely ramping up over the back half); the main change being the terrestrial primetime broadcasts moving from NBC in Yr 1 to FOX/NBC in Yr 2.

sad to see so many "boxing fans" so desperate to see boxing fail that they've created false images in their mind.

[Lester Tutor]

That's on Showtime which ratings are in the tank but none the less has nothing to do with PBC. And are you really comparing a established juggernaut brand like Apple to a start up brand nobody cares about which is hemorrhaging money after 1 year? SMH Apple has brand recognition and history on it's side to weather dark times. PBC doesn't.

That doesn't matter. You're criticizing the brand "PBC" any way you look at it the 154 cards. It's as simple as a comic book company with trading cards. PBC is repping those fighters.

So what about Apple. Hard for you to understand stability innit.

[Scipio2009]

The larger question is why is a "Prospect" working his way up headlining a NBC primetime card which last year was reserved to Haymon's higher paid "Stars" in his stable like Thurman, Garcia, Wilder ect? And why did PBC just lose almost all of their on air talent like Al Michaels, Bob Costas, Marv Albert ect? And why do we have to wait till Summer for the TV dates to fill up for PBC fights? They already paid for the TV time with these networks why aren't they using it?

Lastly nobody is complaining that the purses are too low for the fighters. What people are saying is the sudden drop in purses for these cards is the latest signs that money is becoming a problem for PBC. Things PBC said and promised just last year they can't deliver. Said monthly series yet they going 8 months without a ESPN card and Bounce might be canced and for the rest of these networks now these fights are more like Quarterly series instead of monthly. And if Haymon is relying on the old model of Showtime paying up for his fighters then why did he waste hundred of millions and create PBC in the first place? LMAO

... because Errol "The Truth" Spence Jr is supposed to be "the next big thing" in the sport; no different than Sky Sports pushing Anthony Joshua since he was an 8-0 prospect.

Spence is 19-0 (16 KOs) and is basically 1-2 fights away from being a world title challenger. Why not feature Spence Jr on national TV? lol

[Eff Pandas]

sad to see so many "boxing fans" so desperate to see boxing fail that they've created false images in their mind.

LOL right. I standby my theory boxing fans in general HATE change. I think you see stuff like this across the board with various boxing subjects. I see guys arguing FOR multiple world champions these days when that is so obvious a problem for the overall popularity for the sport & ability to catch on with mainstream media & casual fans, but they are used to 4 world champions now. Few cats in boxing are every talking about anything that should be changed, but meanwhile the NFL alters rules & requirements every year to make their sport more entertaining & safe.
http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/...015-16-season/

[Lester Tutor]

There are 125 million HBO subscribers. How much marketing of boxing hits its subscribers? These are paying subscribers. 90k or whatever for Lil'G vs Lemeiuex is DISASTROUS for a network running boxing for so long. Horrible marketing? Or clever boxing fans? Cheat seating tickets as positive press to lure away HBO stats?

Some posters here run stats on PBC as if they got RIF'd from HBO, and its just fictional theory too..

[bigdunny1]

I don't feel like those guys represented boxing well in 2015/2016. Now granted these new guys aren't a bunch of Don Dunphy's or anything, but I bet they are much less expensive. So I definitely agree that was a money move, but I don't think they added as much as you think.



Cmon man you follow boxing quite being dense cuz this is a PBC thing. He's a guy they are trying to push & have big hopes for. He's one of the most hyped prospects in the game right now. And they've showed these big names on NBC. Now they are showing Spence there. That makes him a big name now right?!?!? This isn't any different than someones first HBO World Championship Main Event card or GGG's first PPV. They are attempting to push him up a notch or two here just by virtue of being on a higher platform & via his level of competition some cats may now.



I think its a fair assessment that PBC has been spending some money, but this has ALWAYS been a long term project & if you think the plan only had one course of action & no plan B or plan C or plan D based on successes or more importantly failures than you aren't that smart. I'm sure investors & Haymon walked into this knowing that it was very possible boxing fans wouldn't embrace right out of the gate via 10M viewers per show & they would just be printing money left & right.

Sometimes you gotta adapt, regroup & attack again. That seems like the situation PBC is in to me. And they can do that by throwing some fights on Showtime, HBO & Sky & making some money via those means. They will have to be smarter in the future with what they do, but as the saying goes the definition of insanity is doing the same thing & expecting different results. Thus they may go the route of building up more prospects & not quite there yet contenders on NBC & other networks Thurman, Broner & Garcia have fought on in the past & cashing in on the already names via Showtime in the future & Spence on NBC & the current Showtime schedule is the first round of that.

Spence is a nice young fighter but does not fit as a NBC fight and is only headlining because PBC is downsizing. Just look at the NBC cards last year and then look at this card and it just doesn't match no matter how you try and defend it. This is about money Spence costs a fraction of what it would cost the bigger fighters and better headline acts. Last year this fight is a undercard or on SPIKE but money is tight so you either don't put on a show (which we have seen PBC do, or you put on cheaper fights like they doing with Spence here).

Of course it's a smart move for PBC to adjust, start slashing costs like broadcast team ect. Nobody is arguing that. But PBC had a plan sure much of which they kept hidden but even the things they told us like the amount of cards they would put out, how often these fights would be on these network (monthly series) they have abandoned. You don't do things this drastic after 1 year unless you are in trouble. 8 months without a ESPN card. Virtually no PBC shows in the months of Feb and March. Almost all Haymon fighters are going back to premium cable (Showtime or HBO) instead of fighting under the PBC brand.

What is the groundbreaking moves PBC is going to do to change this around? Going from your A list fights to filling NBC with HBO Boxing After Dark type fights won't do it.