Do Fights REALLY Need To SIMMER?

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Perfect example. Tim Bradley vs Devon Alexander. 2 prime undefeated American champions in a highly anticipated unification showdown.

It was a box office bomb because neither guy was a known commodity.

Fights need to be built properly.

Do you really think Bradley-Alexander would have been HOT at ANY TIME?

Both have good skills, but neither guy can crack an egg.

You can have one guy involved in a big fight who can't punch, but two?

Where's the excitement in that?

[Tom Cruise]

100% man. The greatest myth of our time is that Manny and Floyd waiting 5 years was some stroke of genius. The hype was way bigger back in 2010 than it was when the eventually fought. I don't know how much better it would have done but there was no way it did worse.

Goes back to my other point. It was all about avoiding an 'L', not building the fight.

It was the safest route to make lots of money, not maximum money they could have made imo.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

100% man. The greatest myth of our time is that Manny and Floyd waiting 5 years was some stroke of genius. The hype was way bigger back in 2010 than it was when the eventually fought. I don't know how much better it would have done but there was no way it did worse.

Goes back to my other point. It was all about avoiding an 'L', not building the fight.

I think you're right. It's all about protecting the fighters and letting them keep their "0's". Meanwhile we get one lame ass fight after another.

How is a fight supposed to get hyped up between two guys who are good but not well known by them fighting other guys who are bad and NOT WELL KNOWN? That makes no sense at all.

Now, two guys who have fought the other best guys in their divisions and been involved in some legendary scraps, that makes legends which leads to the big money fights. It's very simple really.

[Tom Cruise]

Perfect example. Tim Bradley vs Devon Alexander. 2 prime undefeated American champions in a highly anticipated unification showdown.

It was a box office bomb because neither guy was a known commodity.

Fights need to be built properly.

They fought at the perfect time. Other than a good win over Maidana, Alexander was never as 'hot' again on the world scene. Bradley became a good draw in part because of his reputation for fighting the best, which includes him taking the Alexander fight.

[Razcal26]

I agree to disagree, but I don't really understand the lax attitude toward getting the real fights made. Yes, mismatches have always happened but have you always enjoyed them? Why not say that they happen but you'd rather they didn't and see the best in with the best? It's not anything about being realistic. You are right about how it is, but obviously you have some idealism by the way you speak about the belts, which IMO, will not be changing now or maybe ever. I know these mismatches will always happen, I but I have to say that they really shouldn't. The best become the best by fighting the best- not sitting around and letting things marinate. I mean, if you're happy with that, okay. I guess I just don't understand the mindset.

It's not really a lax attitude, it's just, I've been watching boxing for years (I mean years) and I'm tired of every new flash in the pan who can score a couple KOs being anointed as some sort of superstar.

Then, when they go up against real comp, they get waxed. That is boring to me. You gotta be the No. 1 or No, 2 in your division to be fighting for the belts. I'm tired of a top boxer being the best in his division, then fighting some flash in the pan who the casuals have anointed, then he gets beat and all of a sudden he ain't ****. That just kills the sport.

When a fight between the best two is in the works, then the fight should marinate and in that time we should be seeing the other "contenders" build their stock with fighting each other. That's the problem right there.

Think about this: When Floyd signed his Showtime deal, he fought 6 fights, dude was in his late 30s. What other WW fought as many times as that during that period?

[Tony Trick-Pony]

They fought at the perfect time. Other than a good win over Maidana, Alexander was never as 'hot' again on the world scene. Bradley became a good draw in part because of his reputation for fighting the best, which includes him taking the Alexander fight.

The Bradley win boosted Tim up. Despite his "O", he didn't have much on the resume and he had a solid win and name after that. It did help his career to get the win. Not a ton of money but like I and you said, that would have never had great money potential anyway. It was fought at the right time.

[-PBP-]

Do you really think Bradley-Alexander would have been HOT at ANY TIME?

Both have good skills, but neither guy can crack an egg.

You can have one guy involved in a big fight who can't punch, but two?

Where's the excitement in that?

Alexander could pop at 140. He KO'd Urango in spectacular fashion and everyone thought he was the next one in line. Of course in hindsight we know he never lived up to expectations but at that particular time, there was no demand for that fight to happen. Alexander was selling out in St Louis and with maybe a double header as a lead on to the fight, they could have done better. Introduce Tim to Devon's hometown fans.

May/Pac is a bad example because that's not marination that's diva antics, **** measuring and greed. If you think about it, they did marinate it because they both proved themselves to be the last men standing at 147. They just overcooked it once the marination was finished.

[Eff Pandas]

No.

Promoters need marinating to maximize profits for any given fight, but it slows fighters ability to make the most money in the least amount of time & while taking the least amount of overall damage + impairing a fighters current & historical legacy & most importantly for fans it further saturates via less big fights that are more spread out in a already highly saturated sport with too many weight divisions & too many champions & networks/promoters at odds that prevent &/or prolong the progress of making big fights. This likely leads to more & more fans drifting away from the sport which likely equals a continually smaller & smaller pool of money that people in boxing are splitting amongst each other. Boxing is cannibalizing itself by marinating fights.

[Tom Cruise]

Froch is a great example of a fighter who took fights as and when they came available to him, ended up with a fearsome reputation, and got paid crazy money for it. Thats despite taking a loss/ looking bad in a fight every so often.

He could have tried to marinate fights vs Pascal, Taylor, Bute, Groves etc, but instead took them on fight after fight

[-PBP-]

Froch is a great example of a fighter who took fights as and when they came available to him, ended up with a fearsome reputation, and got paid crazy money for it. Thats despite taking a loss/ looking bad in a fight every so often.

He could have tried to marinate fights vs Pascal, Taylor, Bute, Groves etc, but instead took them on fight after fight

Let's use Froch as an example. What if Ward vs Froch happened in round 1 of the super 6 instead of the championship? Would it have been equally as highly anticipated?

That fight was so highly anticipated because Ward and Froch beat everybody else and proved to be the last 2 standing. The super 6 built up that epic showdown.