Do Fights REALLY Need To SIMMER?

[Gary Coleman]

Lol. What a clown. I didn't stick around for that fight. I watch all fights. I'm a fan of the sport. What difference does it make to you if a fighter makes 50 or 150? Remember Paul Williams? Yea, that can happen to anyone. Top muck stalling and you never know. But you're a financial advisor and get a percentage don't you?

It doesn't matter to me either way. I'm explaining to you in the simplest way why things are the way they are.

It's quite simple, really.

[Dr Rumack]

I agree. If the fighter is so talented, can't they take on the big challenges NOW instead of in a year or two or three? I recall how long Chavez, Jr. was protected and it didn't make him any better than he would have been. Chavez, Sr. received no such protection early on and became legendary because of it.

It's a less certain route for the promoters. Sure the fighter could rise to the challenge and become great. But he could crumble too. So they take the safer road to mediocrity that produces the mind-numbingly boring pace the sport proceeds at.

I can forgive it more with the smaller promoters, even if I hate it. But the big promoters doing that shit it is unforgivable. King, Arum, Oscar, Haymon, they've all done it. And they'll all do as much as they can get away with.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

It's a less certain route for the promoters. Sure the fighter could rise to the challenge and become great. But he could crumble too. So they take the safer road to mediocrity that produces the mind-numbingly boring pace the sport proceeds at.

I can forgive it more with the smaller promoters, even if I hate it. But the big promoters doing that shit it is unforgivable. King, Arum, Oscar, Haymon, they've all done it. And they'll all do as much as they can get away with.

It's a real shame. How can a fighter rise up to greatness to where people will gladly pay to watch him fight based on other great wins when he's stuck fighting no hopers and mid-range guys? I think if there's one aspect of the sport I could change, this would be it.

Of course, I suppose the best way is to stop watching fights that appear to be easy going in. Even if they aren't, they were set up that way and usually result in garbage.

What I do love is when this backfires, as it did last night with Kaladjurdjevic knocking Browne all over the ring in the time killer fight on NBC. Clearly the underdog won and well, the home town and promoted boy got his decision win, but at least the crowd knows who won and he wasn't in there with another bum to make him look good. I do have to wonder about the 17 chumps he beat before he got in there with a real opponent. Just tired of the set-ups.

[deathofaclown]

Some do and some don't.

Ward v Kovalev is one that probably needs a bit of time, like end of the year.

GGG v Canelo could happen now. Everyone knows Canelo, he's not going to get any more or less well known. GGG isn't going to get any much more popular and do bigger numbers until he fights a big name i.e Canelo. So i don't see how time can make it any bigger.

It all depends on the fighters involved and the stage of their career or recent activity. I can understand that some fights need to build, but people are now using it as an excuse to avoid fights when the fight probably won't be any bigger down the line.

There's no point in making comparisons between other fights and Floyd v Manny. That was just it's own entity altogether.

[Tom Cruise]

Is Ward vs Kovalev building momentum at the moment or losing it? If they both fought overmatched opponents next and won, would anyone be any more interested in the fight? Would casuals care any more than they do now?

The best matchups are like car crashes. Two fighters with momentum colliding. The longer fighters tread water ('marinating the fight') the less momentum they have imo, and ultimately the less attractive the fight gets.

[DeadLikeMe]

I'd say yes and anyone who disagrees need not look further than Mayweather-Pacquiao.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

I'd say yes and anyone who disagrees need not look further than Mayweather-Pacquiao.

Eh. It might have been a dud regardless, but had they fought in 2010, it would have been a better, more exciting match-up that would definitely have led to rematches and more money. I personally think Pac's explosiveness in those days would have made for a much different fight and fans would have won out there, unlike what we did get in that snooze fest. And this would have helped both of their careers and the same money would have been made between the fight and its rematches. The fans really lost because of all that marinating.

[10COUNT]

Eh. It might have been a dud regardless, but had they fought in 2010, it would have been a better, more exciting match-up that would definitely have led to rematches and more money. I personally think Pac's explosiveness in those days would have made for a much different fight and fans would have won out there, unlike what we did get in that snooze fest. And this would have helped both of their careers and the same money would have been made between the fight and its rematches. The fans really lost because of all that marinating.

I agree with everything you've posted. I wish more can see it. Boxing now reminds me of the WWF back in the days. Superstars would fight no hopers with no tans or cool names. Jobbers. That's what boxing looks like now.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

I agree with everything you've posted. I wish more can see it. Boxing now reminds me of the WWF back in the days. Superstars would fight no hopers with no tans or cool names. Jobbers. That's what boxing looks like now.

Thanks a lot. Glad we see eye to eye on this, as do many others. It really has gotten to be ridiculous. Boxing is supposed to be the real sport and yet everyone wants their prized little darling to have easy pickings come fight time to retain his "0" and then rise in the rankings and win one of the many titles which mean next to nothing these days. I actually think the WWF had more integrity in some ways. There was one world title at least. They had monthly PPVs where the supposed best faced off. If boxing had a weekly show and built up the PPVs with curtain jerker match-ups, I'm guessing the sport would have a PPV between two guys evenly matched about once every three months. I really want all the marinating(protection) gone so we can enjoy some quality fights and new fans will be drawn in. As you say, let's drop the jobbers and see some real fights, unless it's jobber versus jobber. At least then, it's somewhat even.

[10COUNT]

Thanks a lot. Glad we see eye to eye on this, as do many others. It really has gotten to be ridiculous. Boxing is supposed to be the real sport and yet everyone wants their prized little darling to have easy pickings come fight time to retain his "0" and then rise in the rankings and win one of the many titles which mean next to nothing these days. I actually think the WWF had more integrity in some ways. There was one world title at least. They had monthly PPVs where the supposed best faced off. If boxing had a weekly show and built up the PPVs with curtain jerker match-ups, I'm guessing the sport would have a PPV between two guys evenly matched about once every three months. I really want all the marinating(protection) gone so we can enjoy some quality fights and new fans will be drawn in. As you say, let's drop the jobbers and see some real fights, unless it's jobber versus jobber. At least then, it's somewhat even.

Very well said. True fan of the sport.