Do you still rank Bradley as the #2 ww?

[Robbie Barrett]

I don't know how anyone could have him 1 or 2 before the Pac fight nevermind now, he hasn't beat a ranked WW since JMM.

[Boxfan83]

O plz. Only idiots like skip bayless think bradley is elite. That fool called tim bradley "iron jaw" lmao. Jesse vargas disagrees

Not a Skip Bayless fan but 1 thing I will say is Bradley does have "elite" conditioning which has made up for his shaky jaw and lack of power. I think those fights where he has been out on his feet shows how great of conditioning he has.

[The Big Dunn]

Why, how? Brook only beat Porter like two years ago and has done nothing since. Thurman has beaten a bunch of old dudes and Chaves, which is his best win to date. He has been avoiding the Porter fight for over a year because it will be the first live body he will have faced since Chaves.

Bradley's draw with Chaves was a joke and his only losses have come against Pac.. You think either Thurman or Brook could hang with Pac? I don't, I think he embarrasses both of them.

I think rankings at ww should take into consideration losses and fights against non ww at ww.

Manny's last 3 fights were a KO loss, wins over 2 JWW's at ww, beating tim and a wide UD loss to floyd. Tim lost to Manny twice (IMO) beat chaves (bad draw) and vargas and rios coming up from JWW.

Your opinion on whether they could hang with Manny is not something we use to determine where either is ranked.

I am fine with them being #1 and #2 but IMO Brook and Thurman could make a case.

[Boxfan83]

Never did.

Brook and Pac are the two best fighters at 147, we'll see what happens with Thurman/Porter also.

Honestly Im not a Brook fan but I have no problem with someone saying he is #2 for 1 reason, he actually fights. Grant it he is not beating the best comp but he isn't sitting out like these PBC guys waqiting with their hands out.

[WesternChamp]

I thought you could make a case that Thurman and Brook could've been ahead of Manny and/or Tim. As of now, I think tim falls to 3 behind Thurman and Brook.

i have to disagree, i dont get into the whole p4p list but honestly bradley has face far better opponents than brook and thurman combine together.

[SplitSecond]

I don't know how anyone could have him 1 or 2 before the Pac fight nevermind now, he hasn't beat a ranked WW since JMM.

He did beat Vargas who beat a top 10 welterweight in Sadam Ali.

If I remember right he was in the top 10(Ali).

[Robbie Barrett]

He did beat Vargas who beat a top 10 welterweight in Sadam Ali.

If I remember right he was in the top 10.

Vargas wasn't a ranked WW when Bradley fought him.

[SplitSecond]

Vargas wasn't a ranked WW when Bradley fought him.

Didn;t say he was

But he did beat a top 10 Welter in his very next fight.

[Robbie Barrett]

Didn;t say he was

But he did beat a top 10 Welter in his very next fight.

Like i said, Bradley hasn't beat a ranked WW since JMM.

[The Big Dunn]

i have to disagree, i dont get into the whole p4p list but honestly bradley has face far better opponents than brook and thurman combine together.

Agreed, but that is not what rankings are completely about. If you lose, you should drop. If one guy is beating WW's and you are beating JWW's moving up, that is important as well.

Tim's impressive JWW resume has no bearing on his WW ranking. Brook and Thurman politically not being able to fight Manny or Tim doesn't mean they can never be # or #2.

Tim lost to Manny, Manny lost to Floyd and JMM, They should have dropped from #1 or #2 spot upon those losses.