Lennox Lewis - Best Heavyweight Resume Ever

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  • Hands of Stone
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    #51
    Originally posted by juggernaut666
    I would disagree here..Ali only fought a few prime opponents worth mentioning...the sole one was...well foreman but that wasn't the best Foreman.He fought really only Patterson who was a small Hw.The rest like Norton ,Frazier had defeated Ali.you have to include wins not losses overall in comparing resumes.He beat Frazier twice,i had ali losing the second one,but regardless he fought out of prime Frazier,he never actually beat a prime Frazier.


    The guys lewis beat would be much more difficult than Alis overall weak resume,it is weak because you have to include fighters at their best,i would put money on Tyson/Holyfield/and even Morrison to be much more dangerous than the smaller guys Ali went up against and had difficulties with.This doesn't take away from alis standing,however in the sheme of boxing which is why he is called the greatest for the other attributes he gave to boxing.
    Not the best Foreman, seriously? He never beat a primed Frazier though he's only loss was to Ali? I think you are reaching at this point. It can be argued that Ali lost his prime when he separated from boxing due to his refusal of the draft. Ali during his comeback was never that fighting machine he was in the 60's so you can make the case he fought all his fights thereafter not at his best but he still managed to win almost all his fights including against a primed foreman who just rag dolled Frazier and Frazier with one loss. Ali has too much character and too much heart for all of those fighters you just mentioned with maybe the exception of the Real deal. Even Tyson admitted he could never beat Ali. Lennox will be tough as well but Ali will carry him too fast and sense some fatigue and go in at the right time. Ali never fights his opponents fight, he waits till the fight becomes his fight and then stings like a bee that's what makes him the GOAT. All the other things he gave to boxing made him an ICON.

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      #52
      Originally posted by whirlout
      Not the best Foreman, seriously? He never beat a primed Frazier though he's only loss was to Ali? I think you are reaching at this point. It can be argued that Ali lost his prime when he separated from boxing due to his refusal of the draft. Ali during his comeback was never that fighting machine he was in the 60's so you can make the case he fought all his fights thereafter not at his best but he still managed to win almost all his fights including against a primed foreman who just rag dolled Frazier and Frazier with one loss. Ali has too much character and too much heart for all of those fighters you just mentioned with maybe the exception of the Real deal. Even Tyson admitted he could never beat Ali. Lennox will be tough as well but Ali will carry him too fast and sense some fatigue and go in at the right time. Ali never fights his opponents fight, he waits till the fight becomes his fight and then stings like a bee that's what makes him the GOAT. All the other things he gave to boxing made him an ICON.
      No not the best...he clearly would have presented a bigger challenge in a rematch..also 90's foreman became much smarter and stronger,in the end even Angelo Dundee said 40 year old Foreman would have given ali a better fight so i'll leave it there.

      Fraizer was not in his prime against foreman which wouldn't matter .Frazier at 205 pounds would not beat foreman anyway.Tyson admitted something alright ,he admitted no one in boxing history could ever beat him wehen he was actually fighting.If you wish to go on Tysons word now that hes humble well //i'll go whats availbale on video.Ali would not remotely have the power to stop or k.o lewis with one shot punches,take away Alis jab and its game over which lewis would do just like Norton did except it would be Norton on steroids.


      Ali is the greatest on his boxing character,and the belief if beat the best which as stated ,name me ONE guy that he beat that no one else could? you cant, because I will have ANY answer for it.

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        #53
        All time greats do not get KO'd by mediocre opponents twice while in there prime.

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          #54
          Originally posted by chirorickyp
          All time greats do not get KO'd by mediocre opponents twice while in there prime.
          All time greats don't get saved by the bell to 180 pounders either,but it can happen!

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            #55
            Originally posted by juggernaut666
            No not the best...he clearly would p-have presented a bigger challenge in a rematch..also 90's foreman became much smarter and stronger,in the end even Angelo Dundee said 40 year old Foreman would have given ali a better fight so i'll leave it there.

            Fraizer was not in his prime against foreman which wouldn't matter .Frazier at 205 pounds would not beat foreman anyway.Tyson admitted something alright ,he admitted no one in boxing history could ever beat him wehen he was actually fighting.If you wish to go on Tysons word now that hes humble well //i'll go whats availbale on video.Ali would not remotely have the power to stop or k.o lewis with one shot punches,take away Alis jab and its game over which lewis would do just like Norton did except it would be Norton on steroids.


            Ali is the greatest on his boxing character,and the belief if beat the best which as stated ,name me ONE guy that he beat that no one else could? you cant, because I will have ANY answer for it.
            I guess Mccall and Rahman would have knocked out Ali as well. See I can look at it from that angle as well but I guess we 'll just have to agree to disagree my friend. Boxing historians agree with my perspective, I can tell you that much and Ali wasn't GOAT based on character or the fact that he said so, that was based by his resume and the period those fights took place. You should go and read pieces from historians such as Gerald Suster, Bert Sugar etc and you will understand that GOAT rationale. I rest my case here.
            Last edited by Hands of Stone; 04-06-2016, 06:41 PM.

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              #56
              Originally posted by whirlout
              I guess we 'll just have to agree to disagree my friend. Boxing historians agree with my perspective, I can tell you that much and Ali wasn't GOAT based on character or the fact that he said so, that was based by his resume and the period those fights took place. You should go and read pieces from historians such as Gerald Suster, Bert Sugar etc and you will understand that GOAT rationale. I rest my case here.

              I don't know what would happen..i know they were MUCH better boxers than the sloppy foreman who threw about a mile away.They were also bigger than Foreman.Whos to say ali would do what when he struggled with 205 pounders some 190 pounders who wouldn't last one round with a Lewis type fighter unless they got lucky and a 210 ken Norton? Who couldn't take a very good punch himself.

              Boxing historians are the most delusional of the lott. If it were up to some of them soley...Primo Carnera also is better than Vitali klitchko,Tyson is a top 100 puncher of all time and joe Louis is the most FLAWLESS boxer in history and so on ...i'll stick to reality.
              Last edited by juggernaut666; 04-06-2016, 06:49 PM.

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              • boliodogs
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                #57
                Lewis was a great heavyweight but perhaps not the greatest. He avenged his only two losses but that doesn't make those losses go away. The fact remains he was KOed in his prime by two very ordinary average heavyweights. Even though they were about the same age Tyson was washed up when Lewis KOed him. He stopped Vitali on cuts when the fight was even and Vitali was coming on strong. If Lewis was not in shape for that fight who's fault was that? Part of being a great fighter is being in shape for every fight. Lewis turned down a lucrative rematch to retire which of course was his right to do. Lewis can't touch Joe Louis's record of 25 successful title defenses in a row. Lewis can't touch Marciano's record of 49 wins, no losses and no draws. Does Lewis really have the best record of all the heavyweights in history? I don't think so.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by just the facts
                  What are these tools? All I see is a guy that's fairly uncoordinated, and is without crushing power. What he does is use his size advantage very well. The first world class heavyweight with good power, that fights an aggressive fight cracks that chin and puts Furys lights out.
                  He's the perfect fighter similar to how Kaepernick is the perfect QB, only he doesn't have the QB IQ to realize that potential. Unlike Kaepernick, Fury seems to have elite boxing IQ, thus I believe he will realize his potential. Fury is a giant who has fight ending power in both hands, lightning fast handspeed, intelligent footwork, a slick defensive and counter attacking style, a fearlessness in the ring, and incredible stamina. He may be beaten one day, maybe even outboxed, but it's going to take a heck of a performance, and most likely a complete fighter to do it.

                  When you see a sloppy awkward mess, I see finesse, the fluidity of the sweet science embodied by out modern day Achilles: Tyson Fury.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by ..,Krusher,..
                    We'll see what Joshua and Fury are all about.. Fury has the tools to become a GOAT heavyweight
                    This is tongue-in-cheek, surely?

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Sledgeweather17
                      Why do you ignore the fact that they both took the fight on ten day notice?

                      Dumb ass they both had different fights scheduled for the same card and both their opponents pulled out and they ended up fighting each other.

                      Therefore, if Vitali took the fight on ten day notice, then that is also true for Lennox Lewis.

                      Now gtfoh you troll and stop copy pasting everything those idiots Jim Lampey and Larry Merchant say.
                      Dude. Lummox was in camp for a fight for the greatest title in sport. Vitali prepared for an undercard slot. Big difference.

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