Should boxers boycott the IBF?

[krazyn8tive]

Eff pandas on the catching end of a Tijuana donkey show in this argument ladies and gentlemen. Someone in his corner please throw in the towel lmao

[original zero]

Eff pandas on the catching end of a Tijuana donkey show in this argument ladies and gentlemen. Someone in his corner please throw in the towel lmao

Hahaha a month ago he wrote:

"All the alphabet groups are corrupt"

He's had a month to give us an example of corruption and he still can't come up with one.

So now he's insisting "everybody agrees" the IBF is corrupt, even though nobody seems to agree with him in this thread.

Poor guy. I feel bad for him. The longer the thread goes, the clearer it becomes that he doesn't know what corrupt means and he doesn't want to admit he used a word he didn't know the meaning of.

[Eff Pandas]

he's insisting "everybody agrees" the IBF is corrupt, even though nobody seems to agree with him in this thread.

Cmon man lol. A review of opinions in this thread specifically about the IBF or all of these alphabet that are in agreement more or less with my stance that the IBF is corrupt or incompetent:

but their ranking system seems to have a lot of corruption attached to it

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][COLOR="Red"]You have no evidence to support hte statement that the IBF is clean and lacks corruption.

They have the worst ranking system i have ever seen...fighters who win the IBF are forced into a career of fighting mandatory c class fighters

I think so. The rankings are so ****ing poor.

they really need to improve their ranking system

Yea the rankings are horrific

their rankings are so bad

All belt organizations are shit now to be honest.

the one organization that isn't completely bent and corrupt (they all are, but at least the IBF follows its on rules..)

Ideally all orgs would lack corruption. We know that sadly that isn't the case.

original zero
the current IBF ratings chairman, anibel miramontes, is certified corrupt - http://www.boxingscene.com/former-ra...ruption--62828

The problem is the IBF usually have awful rankings so the champions are forced into bad fights.

Personally I would bin the lot and start again.

We should stop recognizing world titles all together.

I am amazed you have the confidence in an opinion that the IBF isn't corrupt &/or incompetent. I am legit impressed you are bold enough to suggest that isn't the case. Respect for your ability to manipulate my argument doe. Maybe you do work with the IBF cuz you are excellent in selling bs. And like I said end the debate & make a poll with the question I submitted in my last post & we will see what the consensus is. But we both know the result already which is why you won't.

[deathofaclown]

I am amazed you have the confidence in an opinion that the IBF isn't corrupt &/or incompetent. I am legit impressed you are bold enough to suggest that isn't the case. Respect for your ability to manipulate my argument doe. Maybe you do work with the IBF cuz you are excellent in selling bs. And like I said end the debate & make a poll with the question I submitted in my last post & we will see what the consensus is. But we both know the result already which is why you won't.

Most/all of them are corrupt and rankings can be manipulated by certain promoters.

It's no coincidence that nearly all Hearn's champions are IBF champs. Joshua, Brook, DeGale, Selby and probably more. Stephen Smith is another of his guys who just lost an IBF title fight on Saturday, but he got his shot through Eddie IBF Hearn.

The same way people used to joke and call the WBO The "Warren Boxing Organisation" because he always got his fighters shots at WBO and they could defend it against poor fighters for years. He still does in fact, Terry Flanagan, Saunders, Liam Smith. All Warren fighters and currently WBO champions.

These things are not coincidence.

[ukbox]

Most/all of them are corrupt and rankings can be manipulated by certain promoters.

It's no coincidence that nearly all Hearn's champions are IBF champs. Joshua, Brook, DeGale, Selby and probably more. Stephen Smith is another of his guys who just lost an IBF title fight on Saturday, but he got his shot through Eddie IBF Hearn.

The same way people used to joke and call the WBO The "Warren Boxing Organisation" because he always got his fighters shots at WBO and they could defend it against poor fighters for years. He still does in fact, Terry Flanagan, Saunders, Liam Smith. All Warren fighters and currently WBO champions.

These things are not coincidence.

This^^^^^^

[original zero]

Eff Pandas claims EVERYBODY AGREES that the IBF is corrupt. He posts negative comments from a few posters (who happen to be some of the least intelligent posters on this site).

Now I'm not claiming that everybody agrees on anything. Only Eff Pandas is claiming everybody agrees. But if everybody agrees that the IBF is corrupt, why would other people have made the following statements in this thread?



"I like how they enforce their mandatories and actually follow their own rules"

"they are one of the better ones"

"It's the cleanest path for a young fighter to get a title shot. Because they enforce their mandatories."

"I prefer the IBF."

"The biggest problem with the ibf is that they follow and enforce their rules"

"it's a sign of the landscape of boxing right now - that the one organization that isn't completely bent and corrupt is the one that gets complained about the most."

"The IBF is the only one that is completely transparent with it's rules. Everyone knows where they stand at all times, they don't change or bend for anybody."

"Fighters choose what sanctioning committees they want to fight for. They know with the other belts they can negotiate their way out of a tough mando. Can't do that with the IBF."

"The IBF are the only one right now putting new people in the title matches"

"If you read the IBF rules you'll see they follow it by the book."

"the IBF are right with how strict they are. Fight your mandatories or be stripped. Better than the WBC"

"The IBF rules are quite clear and transparent in comparison. Their rankings might be awful at times but that's just because the promoters know they can manipulate things better with the other alphabet groups so they prefer to go there instead."

"In the corrupt world of boxing a straight shooter like the IBF actually gets in the way and becomes a hindrance."

"The IBF calls it as it is and enforces their own rules.

And because most of boxing is bent, this means the IBF is doing it to their own detriment.

We should absolutely be applauding an org that isn't as corrupt as the promoters who manipulate everyone else."

"Eff pandas on the catching end of a Tijuana donkey show in this argument ladies and gentlemen. Someone in his corner please throw in the towel lmao"

[original zero]

Most/all of them are corrupt and rankings can be manipulated by certain promoters.

It's no coincidence that nearly all Hearn's champions are IBF champs. Joshua, Brook, DeGale, Selby and probably more. Stephen Smith is another of his guys who just lost an IBF title fight on Saturday, but he got his shot through Eddie IBF Hearn.

The same way people used to joke and call the WBO The "Warren Boxing Organisation" because he always got his fighters shots at WBO and they could defend it against poor fighters for years. He still does in fact, Terry Flanagan, Saunders, Liam Smith. All Warren fighters and currently WBO champions.

These things are not coincidence.

All of them are corrupt except the IBF. The IBF is not corrupt.

You're right that it's not a coincidence that nearly all of Hearn's champions are IBF champions, but it's not because the IBF is corrupt (it's not), it's because the IBF belt is the easiest to win. Haymon usually has the WBC & WBA locked up. Arum has the WBO locked up. The IBF is wide open and if your fighter can win his eliminators, he will get a title shot quickly.

[Eff Pandas]

Eff Pandas claims EVERYBODY AGREES that the IBF is corrupt. He posts negative comments from a few posters (who happen to be some of the least intelligent posters on this site).

Now I'm not claiming that everybody agrees on anything. Only Eff Pandas is claiming everybody agrees. But if everybody agrees that the IBF is corrupt, why would other people have made the following statements in this thread?

Quit lying you crazy coot lol. Again doe respect for your boldness with putting words in my mouth continually in this thread.

Here's what I've said in context.

My full first post in this thread.

All the alphabet groups are corrupt & have pretty bs rankings. You can have a pissing contest with them & discover good things about them or point out bad things about them, but the bottom line is they all helped f#ck up how things work in boxing & they continue to keep that up.

You directed a post at me challenging my corruption stance with the IBF specifically to which I clarified some of my thoughts.

First off I believe the IBF is one of the en****** in boxing who've been convicted of corruption. I believe they shoulda been put outta business on that fact alone.

Second I wouldn't know where to start with any of the alphabet groups rankings let alone the IBF. They all have nutty logic in their rankings...

For the IBF, Bizier getting a title shot somehow might be the most obvious problem I see right now that I can think of off the top of my head.

I can't even believe its disputable that alphabet rankings are kinda bs (while still being important for boxers for obvious reasons) so I'm surprised you would even defend that.

Thirdly all these groups are in a symbiotic type relationship which supports the others & these corrupt groups are the single biggest problem in the sport of boxing today

When I rediscovered this thread after thinking it dead I said various comments & even amended my opinion that perhaps the IBF isn't corrupt as they could just be incompetent.

Just cuz none of these alphabet groups haven't been convicted of anything recently its naive to suggest corruption isn't going on.

If I took the time to I'm positive I could find massive problems with the IBF rankings of most if not every division

And I will say that my assumption is there is corruption, on some level, with all these alphabet groups & it could be incompetence instead.

But cmon Teper was the best guy of those ranked? Thats bs & begs of corruption with their rankings or a ole boy network for those who fight for low level alphabet group belts & pay sanctioning fees for them.

I would hope most boxing fans agree ALL THE ALPHABET GROUPS are corrupt (or incompetent) to one degree or another.

That doesn't seem like a move a non-corrupt alphabet group would make to me...

Even if it is I'd say its one of the rules that makes them a ole boy network with moving guys who work with them via paying sanctioning fees for bs belts & therefore aren't really deserving of the rank which is still a quid pro quo situation or something similar to nepotism & by definition corruption

I've said numerous things suggesting these groups can't be anything but corrupt or incompetent. Just cuz you come up with some bs rules to rank fighters that don't deserve to be ranked doesn't make your product not f#cked up.

I haven't suggested everything the IBF or any group does is wrong or bad or corrupt. The WBC just made refs take a harsher stance on rabbit punches. Thats a good thing. They are still a corrupt or incompetent group. Same deal with the IBF. They do some things right, but there is some **** wrong going on too.

I just got this crazy idea where rankings should be based on who's best not some weird alphabet group seniority or seniority via paying sanctioning fees for minor bs alphabet titles getting a fighter higher status.

I mean does anyone think Medina is the #2 best guy of the current IBF 168lb rankings?

I know its a crazy idea top guys should be ranked in boxing ain't it.

This is a ole boy-like network if nothing else like I said. You play along, you fight for a minor bs belt & pay the sanctioning fees & we'll move you up the rankings despite you deserving to be ranked that high. The #1 guy is the #1 guy. He shouldn't be the #1 guy cuz he fought for some bs minor belt. At very least thats going on. And thats a problem regardless of how you think "the business should work".

I never said these groups, including the IBF are all bad all day 24/7/365. Is every decision the IBF makes about money? No. I don't think every decision any of these groups make is about money all the time.

I'm straight out saying these groups, including the IBF, are a problem.

If you wanna act like the IBF is the least stinky turd in the toilet fair enough thats your right, but I see big problems with all these groups that can only reasonably be explained via corruption or incompetence, & I feel the majority of fans do as well, & they all deserve to be flushed.

I'm just admitting what virtually everyone who watches & even those who doesn't watch boxing think about all of these groups including your IBF.

I haven't admitted to knowing what exactly these groups are or aren't doing only that the results that I see can only reasonably be a result of corruption or incompetence.

...of the guys ranked by the IBF I don't believe Medina is deserving of the 2nd highest position @ 168. If there was a payout involved, if there was incompetence involved or if there is just a set of rules that somehow allows for the outcome of Medina being #2...its a problem & a reasonable person (ie not you apparently) can reasonably conclude there is a problem with this alphabet group that probably involves corruption or incompetence despite having no proof of such.

Its not like everyone didn't think this for years & years before it was actually proven. Just cuz the level of corruption or incompetence isn't known or provable yet doesn't mean it isn't going on. If it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, its a duck.

I'm supremely confident if you asked boxing fans the simple question of "Do you believe that the IBF is corrupt &/or incompetent" that most people would answer in the affirmative.

I've been 100% honest & clear from the strt that I don't know what the angle is with the corruption or incompetence with this group or the other groups for that matter. I simply know you don't get the rankings they have without one of those things. And like I have said from the start this could simply be about a ole boy-like network, cronyism or nepotism form of corruption, but clearly something is going on that shouldn't be going on in a fair & competent body.

[BrometheusBob.]

This is better than some thunderdome threads have been

[ianjamsie]

Mr panda I gave 3 examples that a 2 second Google search would have proved.

I'll repeat. WBA created loads of titles at each weight to maximise fees taken.

WBC give shots to the fighter that offers the most money. Mayweather can not fight for 14 months and always fights for a WBC title. Wilder's opponents have been really poor.

IBF and WBO have the same issue. They deliberately select terrible mandatory challengers on fighters they "want" to hold their title.

Look at Brook for instance, being forced to fight both fighters out of the same eliminator.

Dodgy as.

WBA are by far the worst.