Boxing is not looking good..

[about.thousands]

I think I've been hearing about UFC killing boxing for as long as UFC has existed. Yet I hear less people talking about UFC than ever. The constant cycling of "stars" seems to play to the monster truck crowd who would watch literally anyone try to kill anyone if you market right, but not actual fight fans over the longterm. My brother, who never watches boxing and is a big UFC fan even told me a few months back that he doesn't even recognize half the UFC "stars" these days and that all the people he liked a few years back are nowhere to be found.

UFC 196 just did 1.6 million buys. No boxing match this year will come close to that. And they had two 1+mil buy cards last year.

[Motofan]

UFC 196 just did 1.6 million buys. No boxing match this year will come close to that. And they had two 1+mil buy cards last year.

And that was with easily their biggest star and with the female star who had just beaten the female who was carrying the brand on her back for the last while. This was about as big of a double header as they had available to them. Of course it was going to do well. I'm not saying that UFC is going anywhere. Its here to stay for sure. I just personally know fewer people who follow it these days. I don't hear about the ppv parties for it like I used to. It will settle into what its going to be, whatever that is. Just an opinion. Take it for what it is.

[boxinghead530]

I don't disagree boxing isn't likely to regain its status like back in the early to mid 1900's. It can certain become bigger, better & more mainstream than it is now. How big it can get again is highly speculative cuz the depths (club shows with 100 people watching) & heights (Manny or Floyd PPV fights with millions watching & paying money to watch). I just know the average can be bigger with a structure in place like nearly every other sport has taken on.



How you go about it is debatable, but there is little doubt in my mind even a ****ty ran centralized power is better for the sport than the every man for themselves corruption bonanza we got going on right now. Having said that I don't wanna see boards or commissions involved. I want businessmen who have skin in the game to be behind something like this. Kinda like how every other sport has done to one degree or another. Sure there should be a players union or similar group like most of these sports have & is one of the key things the UFC is currently without & why the fighters there are probably not making as much as they should be & are pigeonholed in many ways with accepting things they probably shouldn't be forced into accepting.

Well I think we all agree that the system that boxing has at this point is not that good. But it would be a 100times worse replacing it with just one sh itty centralized unit. That would be like adding a 1000 tons to an already sinking ship. IMO As bad as things are for boxing right now having an even sh ittier centralized unit is so much worse.

Plus having a business man running things is not that good either because he will always favor his cash cow superstar and protect them as they bring in the most money so therefore it would make it easier for them to corrupt the game.

Ill agree with you that having a centralized unit for all of boxing world wide is a good thing, but you need representatives to come together and set policy and things. You can have a commissioner, but he has to have an overseer and a board that keeps things in check. Just having some business man running the whole thing would not and will not work. Look at how the PBC is doing now. It hasn't improved boxing. It may have brought more boxing to the public on TV but the fan base isn't growing and the mismatches being shown now are at an all time high.

I think to be successful in the long run boxing has to have a one centralized unit with maybe a commissioner but it has to have a board that oversees things. That's how the NFL, NBA and MLB works. Those organization all have a commissioner but there is a board of people in place that makes sure that things are in check. And said commissioner can get fired if he is not doing the right thing.

So having some business man with skin in it as you said will not work because when its all said and done he has no one to answer to and he can do as he pleases which is not what boxing needs.

[about.thousands]

And that was with easily their biggest star and with the female star who had just beaten the female who was carrying the brand on her back for the last while. This was about as big of a double header as they had available to them. Of course it was going to do well. I'm not saying that UFC is going anywhere. Its here to stay for sure. I just personally know fewer people who follow it these days. I don't hear about the ppv parties for it like I used to. It will settle into what its going to be, whatever that is. Just an opinion. Take it for what it is.

Your evidence is anecdotal. The numbers prove it's as strong as ever and growing.

The prelims for UFC 196 averaged 1,843,000 viewers which is the second-highest viewership for such coverage. The previous high for an FS1 prelims show was UFC 194 in December which had 1,931,000 viewers.

For the weigh-in, FS1 averaged 358,000 viewers breaking a record for previous weigh-ins.

Cotto-Canelo, two of boxing biggest stars, couldn't break 1 mil

[Motofan]

Your evidence is anecdotal. The numbers prove it's as strong as ever and growing.



Cotto-Canelo, two of boxing biggest stars, couldn't break 1 mil

That's great for fans of UFC then. I've said it many times on here but I don't view it as a competition. There is plenty of room for everyone to succeed and I'm not rooting for anyone to fail. I can't get into UFC myself, but I'm glad the fans are getting what they want out of it according to your numbers.

[about.thousands]

That's great for fans of UFC then. I've said it many times on here but I don't view it as a competition. There is plenty of room for everyone to succeed and I'm not rooting for anyone to fail. I can't get into UFC myself, but I'm glad the fans are getting what they want out of it according to your numbers.

I don't view it as competition either. I think they're two different fan bases with some crossover. Since PBC has been on Spike I've watched a couple of Bellator cards and watched some UFC cards. What i see happening pretty soon is the Ali Act being enforced on MMA and they'll run into some of the same problems making fights as boxing.

[Johnny Rubber]

Boxing is already in a poor state. Too many people not willing to take a risk anymore. Social media is more important for a fighters standing than skill, which is further enhanced by selective matchmaking.

It's a shame, but that's just boxing moving with the times.

[RetroSpeed05]

Boxing needs to find another Pac or Mayweather. Canelo cant even break 1 mil with Cotto. This is Mcgregors 2nd PPV now with 1 mil+ buys.

[Larry the boss]

It is looking great

[ИATAS]

Olympic boxing crated enough stars even with headgear on and with that ****** punch-per-punch scoring system... Floyd, Ward, GGG, Rigo, Loma, etcaetera...

Floyd came from a different era. And Golovkin wasn't a star from the Olympics. It took many years and finally broke through with HBO in 2012 that he started to become a star (as a result of his style & personality). Rigo & Ward not good examples lol. Loma is a good example, but he's also not a household name either.

I think we will see more attention as a result of no headgear & pro-style fighting which will create bigger stars.

With the old style of fighting, it was Red vs Blue, faceless guys fighting each other and a boring style of "tag fighting" that rarely had any drama. It was extremely difficult for casuals to get into it. Now, all that is gone. The fighters will have faces, the action will be faster, more intense and more drama.