The problem with a lot of PBC fighters

[Raonic]

They are used to paydays they don't really deserve. So it's not a surprise many don't want to step up.

[Sweet Jones]

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[Sugar Adam Ali]

I wouldn't say that. Danny Garcia is pretty known. Matter of fact, some chick last night asked me if I heard of Danny. He's known in the hip hop world too.

You just had Garcia/Guerrero and you're getting Thurman/Porter. These fights are coming soon if the dates are there.

No one knows him... Q rating or social media mentions, there isn't a boxer besides manny or floyd that can crack the top 1000 athletes in america..

If these guys were known, ESPN, fox sports, etc would talk about them like they use to about evander, ray leonard, camacho, mancini duran...


None of the current boxers are stars... Only boxing fans know who they are..

If these guys were stars danny vs thurman/porter would be on ppv and draw 500k+ buys,,, but that will never happen...

[Scipio2009]

To many wanna-be Money Mayweathers and not enough Pretty Boy Floyd's.

I'd disagree; outside of Adrien Broner and possibly Abner Mares(pre-Santa Cruz fight), how many PBC fighters are earnestly trying to hype their way to superstardom?

Most guys seem like solid, hard-working fighters, some more natural on the mic than others, but the hype hasn't been too ridiculous, imo. With management moving guys along at what they deem to be solid paces, things are on the cusp of being to the point that guys facing off is making sense for everyone.

having a new "Money" Mayweather, imo, is a long ways away for the PBC, but there are lot of guys who are on the cusp of being "Pretty Boy" Floyd.

[-PBP-]

No one knows him... Q rating or social media mentions, there isn't a boxer besides manny or floyd that can crack the top 1000 athletes in america..

If these guys were known, ESPN, fox sports, etc would talk about them like they use to about evander, ray leonard, camacho, mancini duran...


None of the current boxers are stars... Only boxing fans know who they are..

If these guys were stars danny vs thurman/porter would be on ppv and draw 500k+ buys,,, but that will never happen...

Your expectations for these guys are way too high. Not every big fight is going to be Floyd/Pac. Why are you even bringing up PPV? That's the whole purpose of PBC to eliminate the PPV model. There have only been 4 fighters in the history of the PPV era that can pull 500k without a B-side costar: Pac, Floyd, Tyson Oscar. Your setting a bar that these guys will never achieve.

Big mega fights are nice but we also need our share of Mike McCallum's, Terry Norris', Julian Jackson's, Michael Nunn's.

[Scipio2009]

I have a feeling that once Schaefer steps in as the lead matchmaker things will get much better. He was responsible for all of the great matches on the Golden Boy roster including Matthysse-Garcia.

Schaefer likely never steps in as lead matchmaker; having DiBella, Marguiles, Tom Brown, Michel, Hearn and others already in the fold would make doing so redundant.

Schaefer, from the outside looking in, provides the most value to PBC as being the "media face of PBC", also working behind the scenes smoothing things out between the other PBC operators, sponsors, finance folks, etc.

Dana White apparently own 9% of Zuffa, the parent company of the UFC, the organization that White has been grinding 15 years to push.

I'm not sure if Schaefer wants to step back into being on the hook for the day-to-day work of anything, especially if he can have about as much impact being a consultant for PBC (stepping in to put out the occasional fire).

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Your expectations for these guys are way too high. Not every big fight is going to be Floyd/Pac. Why are you even bringing up PPV? That's the whole purpose of PBC to eliminate the PPV model. There have only been 4 fighters in the history of the PPV era that can pull 500k without a B-side costar: Pac, Floyd, Tyson Oscar. Your setting a bar that these guys will never achieve.

Big mega fights are nice but we also need our share of Mike McCallum's, Terry Norris', Julian Jackson's, Michael Nunn's.

Here is the difference---

Jackson, nunn, norris, etc were in the shadows of tyson, chavez, leonard, hearns, duran, camacho, mancini, foreman, pernell, hagler, evander.. Those guys were all legit superstars


Garcia, khan, porter, thurman,,, who's shadow are they in???? Floyd and manny are basically done,,, canelo and cotto together couldn't break a million buys.. That should be a telling sign that boxing has no popularity with the mainstream anymore... Literally you have one star in their prime (canelo) and his biggest fights can only do half of what a big floyd, oscar, evander, tyson, manny did in their big fights..

tito/oscar doubled up what canelo/cotto did... So basically boxing has lost all mainstream support..

Never before in the history of the sport, has the top stars been such weak draws

[big_james10]

To many wanna-be Money Mayweathers and not enough Pretty Boy Floyd's.

That is a good point, but I would make it about all boxers and MMA fighters as well. Most people seem to forget that Floyd had to pay his dues to get where he was when he retired.

[bojangles1987]

That is true about boxing as a whole, not just PBC. No one, not the fighters, not the promoters, not the networks, seems to understand that Money May only came to be because of the hard work and long years Pretty Boy Floyd put in.

[big_james10]

horrible marketing, schedule and suspect matchmaking at times...

They have delivered some high caliber matchups but too few and far between..


Also, no momentum... They never build off a big win.. UFC a guy wins a big fight, he enters into another big fight, and then another... PBC is the exact opposite.. What has fonfara done since beating chavez, or stevenson since he beat dawson.. Santa cruz had a huge win over mares, and russell jr had a huge win over jhonny gonzalez,, UFC would have made russell-santa cruz as their next fight, but instead PBC gives them TBA...

Too much protecting fighters.. PBC has khan, garcia, thurman, porter yet haven't matched them up at all vs each other.. That should have been a 4 man tournament right as PBC began...

This statement describes every promoter in boxing as well as HBO and Showtime. Or do you actually thing that Alvarez/Khan and GGG/Wade are great followups to Alvarez/Cotto and GGG/Lemieux?