Do you consider Golovkin a slick fighter?

[bojangles1987]

videos i posted in the opening disprove what you just said. or at least i feel that they do. If you watched those videos and still think he doesn't have good upper body or head movement then let me know.

Even if the video shows movements of good movement and slickness, it isn't sustained. I know that from watching his fights, multiple times.

Golovkin is not a mindless puncher, but he's not slick. Slick is Roberto Duran. Golovkin's not anywhere near that level of defense and movement. His defense is mostly dependent on controlling range, which he does an exceptional job of.

[Irony123]

I wouldn't call him a slick fighter, but he can utilize slick maneuvers to set up his offense.

BTW in regards to our debate yesterday, these are two study films that make me believe why Lara stands no chance. There are more but these two pretty much show how he will take Lara's weapons away... now not saying that the fighters he fought are the same as Lara, but they are good enough to illustrate GGGs skill level and assume that he will execute the same skills against Lara.

[Eastcoast]

Define slick?

I would say his movements are smooth for what they are. He's almost always in position to attack, if he does start getting tagged he takes a few steps back and resets the action putting himself back in control. He's very aware of the distance between he and his opponent and places his shots accurately with the intent of getting his opponent to react in specific way, whether raise or lower their guard or herding them to the ropes.

Compared to some slick fighters who can show a herky-jerkiness to their movements.

[Irony123]

I watched the videos:

1. The first thing people would point out is the level of competition. Anybody can look amazing against weak comp.

2. He doesn't stand in the pocket and slip and roll punches using his upper body. The majority of the time (especially in the vids you posted) you see him coming forward and using his footwork as a way to close off the ring, not to set traps.

3. His defense is good (especially in the vids) but again, level of comp speaks volumes and he is getting tagged quite a bit, which I expect because of his stalker offensive game. He'll walk through shots rather than try to avoid them completely because he knows his opponent doesn't have the power to make him respect his game. A slick boxer wouldn't even allow a job to try and find its mark.

This reminds me similarly of Lara (I'm not saying GGG and Lara have a similar game) with the confusion on what his slick. Lara uses his feet for defense WAY more than his upper body. When he is in the pocket, he'll absorb the punches and then back up and make sure he is out of the punching range.

Sure, they'll be occasions where they'll make you miss and hit you with a sweet counter, but I wouldn't associate the term "Slick" with GGG based on what I have seen from him.

cool, thanks for your analysis, i agree that level of competition isn't elite but definitely is note worthy, as an overall style GGG doesn't have the opportunity to show what other defensive fighters do, being a very aggressive fighter the amount of shots he makes others miss is significant. Maybe if he changed his style to a more defensive style you will see more slick moves which (as per videos) he has.

The funny thing is i think when he faces that Elite name we will see a lot more slickness, right now he just goes in there and executes his offense to perfection with very good defense for an offensive fighter. I think he is what the 3rd lowest hit vs. be hit fighter (maybe 2nd now after floyd retired), and i think that requires a lot of slickness. Either way appreciate the insightful response.

cheers,

[Irony123]

Even if the video shows movements of good movement and slickness, it isn't sustained. I know that from watching his fights, multiple times.

Golovkin is not a mindless puncher, but he's not slick. Slick is Roberto Duran. Golovkin's not anywhere near that level of defense and movement. His defense is mostly dependent on controlling range, which he does an exceptional job of.

funny you say that. because in this video (specific to movement) they compare GGG movement to Duran's, obviously this is only one aspect of the game but there are similarities in the set up of their attack/movement. As far as sustained slickness, he does have it just not to the same extant as other defensive fighters that are considered slick. I think it is very difficult for an extremely aggressive/offensive fighter (like Golovkin) to show the slickness all the time because slickness is usually associated with defense such as shoulder roll, jab perry, slick foot movement, head movement). some one who is attacking all the time can exhibit some of that but not nearly as much as if they were a defensive fighter.

[Irony123]

Define slick?

I would say his movements are smooth for what they are. He's almost always in position to attack, if he does start getting tagged he takes a few steps back and resets the action putting himself back in control. He's very aware of the distance between he and his opponent and places his shots accurately with the intent of getting his opponent to react in specific way, whether raise or lower their guard or herding them to the ropes.

Compared to some slick fighters who can show a herky-jerkiness to their movements.

to me slickness is hit and not be hit, make them miss, move smoothly, use refined defensive maneuvers like the shoulder roll and jab parry, head movement. look fluid.

[b00g13man]

Nope........

[-PBP-]

to me slickness is hit and not be hit, make them miss, move smoothly, use refined defensive maneuvers like the shoulder roll and jab parry, head movement. look fluid.

To me those are just basic boxing fundamentals. Slickness goes beyond that. Landing sneaky sneaky shots hat even the most fundamentally sound fighter would never see coming. Use of feints, head movement and confusing your opponent.




Look at how he set up that uppercut and the left hook. Wasn't that slick?

[Irony123]

To me those are just basic boxing fundamentals. Slickness goes beyond that. Landing sneaky sneaky shots hat even the most fundamentally sound fighter would never see coming. Use of feints, head movement and confusing your opponent.




Look at how he set up that uppercut and the left hook. Wasn't that slick?

that did look sick, Golovkin does that as well though maybe it isn't as sick but still sneaky. i dont know how to embed that one.

http://gfycat.com/SilkyFelineEft

[Beercules]

Too pale, doesn't initiate clinches every ten seconds, doesn't throw half a dozen punches a round, so no.