Do you consider Golovkin a slick fighter?

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  • Redd Foxx
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    #51
    Originally posted by -Kev-
    Winky Wright was a great defensive, accurate boxer with very good counter punching skills and was hardly hit, but he was not slick.
    Excellent example, Kev. Winky vs Tito was an example of a guy sneaking in jabs at will, countering a guy to the point that his output dropped, brilliantly slipping just enough to deflect the impact of punches, and putting himself in the right place at the right time. But, it was not slick.

    One of my favorite examples of "slick" comes from an unlikely source. A few years back, Kessler fought a tune-up in which the opponent was throwing a lazy jab. Kessler let the guy get comfortable with it, even confident, then leaned back and threw a left hook while the guy jabbed and laid and him out.

    Another is Ward throwing the cross to the body vs Dawson. After several rounds of this he got chad to finally drop his hands, at which point Ward faked to the body and went upstairs with a left hook. Brilliant stuff.

    Slick is not all about setting traps, but I use them as an example to separate counter-punching from actual slick boxing. Everyone counter-punches. Baiting is another form of technique entirely and involves psychology.

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    • -Kev-
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      #52
      Originally posted by -PBP-
      This poll is wack. I want to vote no but I also don't think he's basic. So people like me aren't going to vote because no option is accurate.
      I hate polls like that, it's very unfair. When I make a poll I make it cut and dry, to the point, no added features in it. GGG is not basic, or very basic. He's well rounded, just no slick. GGG is a cut above Danny Garcia, with more devastating power and better defense. But they fight very similar.

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      • -Kev-
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        #53
        Originally posted by Redd Foxx
        Excellent example, Kev. Winky vs Tito was an example of a guy sneaking in jabs at will, countering a guy to the point that his output dropped, brilliantly slipping just enough to deflect the impact of punches, and putting himself in the right place at the right time. But, it was not slick.

        One of my favorite examples of "slick" comes from an unlikely source. A few years back, Kessler fought a tune-up in which the opponent was throwing a lazy jab. Kessler let the guy get comfortable with it, even confident, then leaned back and threw a left hook while the guy jabbed and laid and him out.

        Another is Ward throwing the cross to the body vs Dawson. After several rounds of this he got chad to finally drop his hands, at which point Ward faked to the body and went upstairs with a left hook. Brilliant stuff.

        Slick is not all about setting traps, but I use them as an example to separate counter-punching from actual slick boxing. Everyone counter-punches. Baiting is another form of technique entirely and involves psychology.
        Yeah, the key thing is, if you have to ask, then the fighter is probably not slick. Slick is something that is apparent immediately, and it's a very obvious style.

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        • Doctor_Tenma
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          #54
          Not slick at all and at the same time definitely not basic, basic is more Felix Sturm, Zaveck or Kotelnik.

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          • -PBP-
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            #55
            Originally posted by -Kev-
            I hate polls like that, it's very unfair. When I make a poll I make it cut and dry, to the point, no added features in it. GGG is not basic, or very basic. He's well rounded, just no slick. GGG is a cut above Danny Garcia, with more devastating power and better defense. But they fight very similar.
            I agree. I think people are confusing boxing fundamentals with being slick.

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            • soul_survivor
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              #56
              I'm sure many of you would say a slick fighter is one who can throw quick, sharp and effective combinations, accurate too and limit the amount of offense he himself gets hit with...that's GGG is a nutshell.

              Sadly, most of the idiots on here think a slick fighter is running and jabbing. One who is offensive can't possibly be slick...

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              • -Kev-
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                #57
                As stated^, many GGG fans on this forum will come in here to say their own definition of slick and try to force GGG to be slick. But that won't make him slick.

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                • The Gambler1981
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by -PBP-
                  I agree. I think people are confusing boxing fundamentals with being slick.
                  They do because there are many ways to be an excellent boxer (hit and not get hit back), being slick is a very specific form of it. I get it because being slick is very high end stuff, but it is not the only way to be a high end boxer.

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                  • Doctor_Tenma
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                    #59
                    Slick is being deceptive, making your opponent react to a mirage and making them pay as a result of that. Displaying that kind of slickness throughout the fight is what defines that fighter as slick. One doesn't even need to mention movement, speed or defense to describe that.

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                    • deanrw
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                      #60
                      As someone else said, depends on the definition of slick. GGG is not defensive minded first. His game is to make his opponent defensive minded. That alone limits how much he will get hit. He also has a very uneven and off timed offensive attack, looking to get opponents to open up. His offense attack makes opponents panic. They do not know what is coming.

                      I would say offensively he is very slick while his defense is passive and dependant on positioning, but overall pretty good.

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