who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Spoon23]

Still mentioning my name, huh? Aren't you embarrassed with how much I've owned you? In fact, this whole forum has owned you at one point in time or another. It's like an initiation to joining here. Must own Spoon at least once.

So how did your new and improved poll go? lol. CLOWN! I actually felt sorry for the way you embarrassed yourself....and then got promptly banned. Insult to injury!

Cheers, bud.

Seriously get your brain checked it has too much kool-aid. At this point. it's getting worse. You have shyit for brains man. Clean it up.

Analyze this food for thought, travestNY. Why is it that the poll is showing Froid is winning by a landslide? What's your theory?

Here's mine,

Floyd's winning this poll by a landslide shows travestNY is losing the convincing battle lmao

[travestyny]

Seriously get your brain checked it has too much kool-aid. At this point. it's getting worse. You have shyit for brains man. Clean it up.

Analyze this food for thought travestNY. Why is it that the poll is showing Froid is winning by a landslide? What's your theory?

# Floyd's winning this poll by a landslide shows travestNY is losing the convincing battle lmao

I'm losing what exactly, Cheerleader Spoon? Last I checked, the only losers were Pacquiao and the PacRoaches. Still crying rivers.

How is our new and improved poll going, bud? What went wrong?

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You are being illogical. Why would he fake a shoulder injury at the point where he was winning the fight? Does that make sense to you?

Also, I don't remember 2 videos. I saw one video where he showed how he threw a punch with the opposite arm but never said which arm was hurt. 2 seconds after that, the narrator said it was the left arm. The way you hold onto this is ridiculous.

And again, Floyd obviously DID NOT have a full thickness rotator cuff tear. There is no way he would have been able to fight that quickly if he did.

Winning? Floyd didn't do much.

The fight just started and he saw Castillo was still coming after him ....


There is also a conflict.
- Initially they said "strained" rotator cuff then they said "torn" rotator cuff.
- They indicate left shoulder was injured then in some videos you are saying that he forgets and indicated the right? Are you joking?
- Floyd said it was the worst pain that he ever experienced yet he continued throwing jabs, hooks, raising arm in the air while holding the belts, combos, triple combos, ....even in the later rounds. No wincing, no nothing while he was fighting.


If it was obvious, you say, why was it not to the guy standing in the ring with him?

Castillo calling Floyd out with his excuses

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2002/aug/08/columnist-dean-juipe-bad-blood----revisited/

Asked for his reaction to Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s claim that he injured his right shoulder prior to their April 20 fight at the MGM and that the ailment worsened in the third round, Castillo didn't mince words.

"Mayweather always has an excuse," he said, a full grin overtaking his face. "Anytime he's in a tough fight it's because he hurt his hand, his finger, his elbow.

"It's the same thing all the time."




I pointed to you that every injury is different and pain is NOT a good indicator of what kind of rotator cuff injury you have. Also this relates to motion range and pain. Did I make this up? No, doctor said this.

Floyd said it was the worst pain ever. So then does that mean it was a full thickness tear?

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I thought I explained it to you. Pac said he had a full thickness rotator cuff tear. Actually, 1.5 tendons torn. He also said he stopped using the right.

Floyd did NOT have a full thickness rotator cuff tear. He also complained in the ring about the injury. Manny and Roach claim Manny went into the ring fine, then tore it during the 3rd of 4th round, and never complained about it or showed a sign of it. Floyd definitely showed signs of it. There is a clear difference.

You didn't comment on more of your "evidence" seeming to be debunked. Doesn't appear Manny was sparring guys with only one hand after all. And he appeared just fine on media day. Hmmm.

So, take your own medicine and imagine all of the facts I provided about Manny was about Floyd. This has been so crystal clear that the only reason I go on is that I can't believe you have the gull to keep denying that this injury doesn't add up to what they make it out to be.

Manny went to see a doctor weeks before the fight. Why do you think he did that? It was stated that there was a tear already. Then Mammy took a few days off, sparred only with his left arm, then took meds and used his right. Why do all that unless his right shoulder was injured. Right?

They thought they can also use the same meds for the fight since USADA said its legal. They were wrong according to NSAC. So they had to decide just like Floyd, and it was too late to back out. Like I quoted Floyd's team said.

So the NSAC knew BEFORE the fight so it does not matter what you heard in between rounds BUT Manny's S&C said that Manny came back to the corner and did tell them.

Lots of similarities between the 2 but you are not doing the same with Floyd's injury. How can they plan to fight August 10? Is that even possible after a surgery for a torn rotator cuff? Don't you find it AMAZING or should I say, impossible, that Floyd was ready to fight August 10????? That means that he was ready to train in June? WOW!!! The go ahead to fight has to be even sooner, right? Not su****ious?

So Floyd gets injured on April 20, has surgery on lets say April 25. How soon did the no-name doctor give Floyd the OK the start full contact training???? You are saying this is believable? lol!

Those punches that Floyd threw, does it sound like it was a bad injury? You said its not possible for someone with a torn rotator cuff to do those things. Floyd does it, its different?




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[travestyny]

Winning? Floyd didn't do much.

The fight just started and he saw Castillo was still coming after him ....

Come on, man. Floyd won the first 4 rounds on all scorecards! Why would he complain about the injury at that point when he WAS WINNING.

There is also a conflict.
- Initially they said "strained" rotator cuff then they said "torn" rotator cuff.
- They indicate left shoulder was injured then in some videos you are saying that he forgets and indicated the right? Are you joking?
- Floyd said it was the worst pain that he ever experienced yet he continued throwing jabs, hooks, raising arm in the air while holding the belts, combos, triple combos, ....even in the later rounds. No wincing, no nothing while he was fighting.

No, I'm not saying that he forgets. I'm saying I don't see where you are saying he indicated that it was his right. You said in two places he did that. He showed how he threw the punch, albeit using the other hand, but he never said which shoulder it was. Then not even a minute later the narrator mentions it was the left arm.
1. He complained about it during the fight when he was winning. FACT.
2. I seem to remember him switching to southpaw.
3. The shoulder was massaged during the fight.

It's all right there for you to see. And these are all things that PACQUIAO DIDN'T DO WITH A FULL TEAR OF 1 TENDON AND HALF TEAR OF ANOTHER.

If it was obvious, you say, why was it not to the guy standing in the ring with him?

Are you going to pretend that Larry Merchant didn't mention it during the telecast at the point that Floyd first mentioned it. YES, it was obvious. Even old ass Larry knew about it.

I pointed to you that every injury is different and pain is NOT a good indicator of what kind of rotator cuff injury you have. Also this relates to motion range and pain. Did I make this up? No, doctor said this.

Floyd said it was the worst pain ever. So then does that mean it was a full thickness tear?

It was obviously not a full thickness tear. If he had surgery on a full thickness tear, he wouldn't have been able to fight so quickly. The evidence for that has been posted to this thread numerous times.

You trying to prove that Mayweather didn't have a shoulder injury is not only silly, but it doesn't help cover up the fishy antics of Pac regarding his shoulder injury at all.

[travestyny]

Manny went to see a doctor weeks before the fight. Why do you think he did that? It was stated that there was a tear already.

According to the team that has been caught in so many lies.

Then Mammy took a few days off, sparred only with his left arm, then took meds and used his right. Why do all that unless his right shoulder was injured. Right?

Sparred with Freddie Roach, not with sparring partners. Don't forget that, as you and your video had that wrong! And that situation was so close to media day, where he showed no issues throwing the right. Even on meds, why would he be lifting it like he did at the end of the video if it was a concern.

So the NSAC knew BEFORE the fight so it does not matter what you heard in between rounds BUT Manny's S&C said that Manny came back to the corner and did tell them.

NSAC didn't know anything. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THEIR CONTENTION. Even when they worked him out in the dressing room nothing was noticed. The he said that he was not injured before the fight.

Lots of similarities between the 2 but you are not doing the same with Floyd's injury. How can they plan to fight August 10? Is that even possible after a surgery for a torn rotator cuff? Don't you find it AMAZING or should I say, impossible, that Floyd was ready to fight August 10????? That means that he was ready to train in June? WOW!!! The go ahead to fight has to be even sooner, right? Not su****ious?

Those punches that Floyd threw, does it sound like it was a bad injury? You said its not possible for someone with a torn rotator cuff to do those things. Floyd does it, its different?
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Are you purposely pretending to be slow? FLOYD. DID. NOT. HAVE. A. FULL. THICKNESS. ROTATOR. CUFF. INJURY. The next time you compare the two, remember this.

By the way, here is some more Manny in April. Leaning into that heavy bag. Hmm:


By the way, I LOVE watching Manny hit the heavy bag. FAST and POWERFUL. That's a thing of beauty right there. But really, if that's April......lol. This injury was a joke man. You know it.

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Come on, man. Floyd won the first 4 rounds on all scorecards! Why would he complain about the injury at that point when he WAS WINNING.




No, I'm not saying that he forgets. I'm saying I don't see where you are saying he indicated that it was his right. You said in two places he did that. He showed how he threw the punch, albeit using the other hand, but he never said which shoulder it was. Then not even a minute later the narrator mentions it was the left arm.
1. He complained about it during the fight when he was winning. FACT.
2. I seem to remember him switching to southpaw.
3. The shoulder was massaged during the fight.

It's all right there for you to see. And these are all things that PACQUIAO DIDN'T DO WITH A FULL TEAR OF 1 TENDON AND HALF TEAR OF ANOTHER.



Are you going to pretend that Larry Merchant didn't mention it during the telecast at the point that Floyd first mentioned it. YES, it was obvious. Even old ass Larry knew about it.


It was obviously not a full thickness tear. If he had surgery on a full thickness tear, he wouldn't have been able to fight so quickly. The evidence for that has been posted to this thread numerous times.

You trying to prove that Mayweather didn't have a shoulder injury is not only silly, but it doesn't help cover up the fishy antics of Pac regarding his shoulder injury at all.

Floyd indicates right here that he used the right shoulder and where there was the pain. THE RIGHT SHOULDER!!!




Nobody is saying that Floyd had a full thickness tear. Floyd said it was torn, hurt worse than anything he ever experienced BUT then was ready to come back to fight August 10????

Castillo I: April 20
Surgery: ~April 25
In a sling: April 25-May??
Rehab passively: May??
rehab active: Late May-June?
Discuss August 10 date: May ??
Get the go ahead to do full workout training from his no-name doctor: May ??
Start of training camp: June 10-16?


does it make sense even if it was a partial tear? You complained Manny was lifting his arm a month out, what about Floyd? Yes, even if its partial torn rotator cuff surgery.

Manny came back 1 year after surgery and you complained. Floyd had the real miracle!



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[travestyny]

Floyd indicates right here that he used the right shoulder and where there was the pain. THE RIGHT SHOULDER!!!

He indicates how the punch was thrown and what happened. Less than a minute after that, the narrator says it was the left shoulder. Right or wrong?

Nobody is saying that Floyd had a full thickness tear. Floyd said it was torn, hurt worse than anything he ever experienced BUT then was ready to come back to fight August 10????

Castillo I: April 20
Surgery: ~April 25
In a sling: April 25-May??
Rehab passively: May??
rehab active: Late May-June?
Discuss August 10 date: May ??
Get the go ahead to do full workout training from his no-name doctor: May ??
Start of training camp: June 10-16?


does it make sense even if it was a partial tear? You complained Manny was lifting his arm a month out, what about Floyd? Yes, even if its partial torn rotator cuff surgery.

Manny came back 1 year after surgery and you complained. Floyd had the real miracle!
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You should post up some information about partial tear surgery. Maybe then we can get an accurate picture of what happened. I've never been sure he had a surgery at all, and I have no problem admitting that. What I am sure of is that he had a shoulder injury. It was at most a partial tear. That is obvious.

So what you're saying is that he wasn't hurt at all? And you think he pretended to be hurt when he was winning the fight because he felt the pressure from Castillo. Then he fights him again right after. Please tell me how this makes sense. Who sweeps the first 4 rounds of a fight and then feigns an injury? This is a professional boxer we are talking about, and the greatest of our generation.

[travestyny]

Nobody is saying that Floyd had a full thickness tear. Floyd said it was torn, hurt worse than anything he ever experienced BUT then was ready to come back to fight August 10????

Castillo I: April 20
Surgery: ~April 25
In a sling: April 25-May??
Rehab passively: May??
rehab active: Late May-June?
Discuss August 10 date: May ??
Get the go ahead to do full workout training from his no-name doctor: May ??
Start of training camp: June 10-16?


does it make sense even if it was a partial tear? You complained Manny was lifting his arm a month out, what about Floyd? Yes, even if its partial torn rotator cuff surgery.

Manny came back 1 year after surgery and you complained. Floyd had the real miracle!
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Partial tear could be ready to compete in 3 months. You're welcome.

“We operate on partial tears, too. Go in, clean things up. … At that elite level, it’s six weeks till you’re doing major weight training, and at three months, you could be back playing basketball. It’s a much shorter rehab, and that’s a big deal.”

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/nba-kobe-bryant-surgery-options-shoulder-rotator-cuff-injury-tear-los-angeles-lakers

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He indicates how the punch was thrown and what happened. Less than a minute after that, the narrator says it was the left shoulder. Right or wrong?


You should post up some information about partial tear surgery. Maybe then we can get an accurate picture of what happened. I've never been sure he had a surgery at all, and I have no problem admitting that. What I am sure of is that he had a shoulder injury. It was at most a partial tear. That is obvious.

So what you're saying is that he wasn't hurt at all? And you think he pretended to be hurt when he was winning the fight because he felt the pressure from Castillo. Then he fights him again right after. Please tell me how this makes sense. Who sweeps the first 4 rounds of a fight and then feigns an injury? This is a professional boxer we are talking about, and the greatest of our generation.

You missed one important point. Floyd indicated all that with his right arm and shoulder NOT his left. The 2nd part is what I initially pointed out that Merchant said it was his left.

Remember that you questioned the validity of Manny's doctor's statements due to a reporter from ESPN saying it was a partial tear vs a full tear.

So now the tables are turned and you are talking differently. What's worse is that its Floyd that is clearly indicating his right arm.

So again, with Manny, a conflicting statement questions the validity of the renowned doctor's statements. Floyd indicated it was his right and then the commentary by HBO says left you respond by trying to convince this: "See the commentator corrected Floyd. Were all good."

Secondly, lets say it was an injury. Why the conflicting statements: "strained" rotator cuff vs "torn" rotator cuff. So if there was an injury, was there an exaggeration of how badly Floyd was really hurt just so he can use it as an excuse?

Castillo thought it was just an excuse by Floyd.

You are talking differently now that its Floyd. If the above statements or whatever else I have posted yesterday was about Manny instead, you would be talking quite differently.

How can someone have surgery and soon after discuss a potential match? Are you not su****ious at least somewhat su****ious? Was Floyd and his team exaggerating?