who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[TJ highway]

Ain't no body out there ****** enough to shell out $100 bucks to see Mayweather vs Pacquiao II?

[Dosumpthin]

Post links to ur anonymous sources otherwise BULL****!

Vitamins my ass the IV was a masking agent!

C'mon man don't presume us ******!

Dosumpthin I'm not a *******? Just a fan that knows boxing is a business first!

I haven't adressed anything thing that has not been printed a 1000 times in this thread already. All I did was put things back in its proper context.

FACTS are an easy puzzle because it leaves little room for the imaginiation.

My OPINIONS are based on the FACTS surrounding Floyd's iv use. My OPINIONS are supported by the resulting action of every entity involved.

What in particular would you like me to provide links to?

[travestyny]

You are confused. Doing an activity does not mean that they are fully recovered. Nor does it mean that they are doing the activity at the same level at different months.

As for basketball, Manny is left handed. Surgery was performed on his right shoulder. Kind of self explanatory but I think you are getting all confused.

It doesn't matter that it is his non-shooting hand. The problem is that basketball, and swimming for that matter, require the participant to lift their arms over their head. THAT is what the problem is all about.

"Injuries to the rotator cuff often occur in people who perform repeated overhead activities, such as throwing motions, racquet sports, swimming, and occupations that require a lot of overhead work."
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/wotw113.htm

Swimmers and runners should wait at least three months before returning to action. Swimmers should ask their doctors whether the surgically repaired shoulder is strong enough to do the crawl. It may need 6 months to a year depending on what was found at surgery.
Read more: http://ehealthmd.com/content/rotator...#ixzz46YRZQi7z

Article titled: Returning to Swimming Program after Shoulder Surgery or Injury
"Prior to returning to swimming, you must have full range of motion and full strength in the rotator cuff and scapular muscles"

"With the consent of their surgeon patients can often return to activities such as swimming golf and tennis at six months after their surgery."
http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=...uff-tears.html

From a Basketball Website:
"As a potential rotator cuff tear develops, you’ll begin to experience pain in the shoulder or arm, muscle weakness and difficulty moving your arm over your head. If the rotator cuff experiences a full-thickness tear, you’ll probably feel a pop followed by pain and a sudden, marked weakness in the arm. These do not heal on their own. A rotator cuff tear prevents most activities that rely on shoulder movement, including overhead activities, throwing, pushing, swimming and lifting."

"Pain is worst when you use your arm for activities above your shoulder level. This means that the pain can affect your ability to lift your arm up - for example, to comb your hair or dress yourself. Swimming, basketball and painting can be painful but writing and typing may produce little in the way of pain."
http://patient.info/health/rotator-cuff-disorders

basketball and swimming cause rotator cuff issues.


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The doctor said that Manny was 80-90% healed around early October.

Quote???? Still waiting for the link. Does this exist or did you lie?

What happened to the "I'm fine, I never went to a doctor. All I did was swim" bull****? Oh,that's right. Damage control.

[Scary]

Voted Floyd, even though all of them probably wasn't clean, Floyd accomplished the most. Even being busted, without effect.

[ADP02]

[QUOTE=Dosumpthin;16634660]

Its BS for numerous reasons.


You take a partial statement from Floyd at face value but ignore Manny's MULTIPLE blatant contradictions about his injury. Very inconsistent of you.

We can only speculate as to Floyd's medical condition because of confidentiality laws. We both know that.

Manny the politician concerned about his public image, has a doctor disregard hipaa laws and they all eventually get caught in MORE lies about the injury. That's pathetic.



NSAC does not have to recognize a tue from another ADO. Keep repeating it until you're blue in the face.

Still doesn't change the fact that NSAC rules allows IV use and a NSAC TUE was not applicable.




OUSTANDING. Read it again.



NSAC should ban IV use.



NSAC rules allow IV use. No NSAC TUE was needed.



So does vada do free testing?
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NSAC was smart enough to not let MANNY PEDQUAIO juice up on pain killers for no reason at all 1 hour before the fight.

If MANNY had a legit injury it was his responsibility to not only inform USADA, but ALSO INFORM NSAC.
BUT WE ALL KNOW MANNY AND KONTZ PURPOSELY DID NOT DISCLOSE THE INJURY (LIED) AND IT BACKFIRED.

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And you take these statements out of context. The real issues were with UFC heavyweight Frank Mir - who was taking adderral and received a TUE from USADA to remain in compliance with WADA rules.

FRANK MIR DID NOT OBTAIN A TUE FROM NSAC, as instructed by USADA, and NSAC did not recognize the USADA tue. NSAC took action by informing MIR that he had to discontinue the use of the banned substance. That was MIR fault. Not USADA.

This is a situation where NSAC rules BANNED a substance and the fighter did not follow protocol.

NSAC said this is "confusing" to the fighter which was probably his alibi.

Combined with the hoopla surrounding Thomas Hauser fradulent article, bob bennet FOOLISHLY responded publicly with these comments - thus breathing life into hopeless pact@rds like yourself and inadvertently implicating floyd.

HOWEVER THESE STATMENTS HAVE BEEN FACTUALLY PROVEN THEY DO NOT APPLY TO FLOYD BECAUSE IV USE WAS NOT BANNED. HE NEVER NEEDED A TUE FOR NSAC.

Once the dust settled, and a little bit of fact checking about NSAC and IV use......

"Mr. Mayweather has done nothing wrong," Nevada State Athletic Commission chairman Bob Bennett told Showtime before the fight. "The Nevada State Athletic Commission has no interest in any type of investigation regarding his IV. He did not violate the WADA rules for any type of drugs and we have no issue." - NSAC BOB BENNET.

So start screaming NSAC IS CORRUPT. OR YOU CAN START ACCEPTING FACTS.



YOU HAVE NOTHING LEFT. YOU HAVE BEEN DESTROYED. DEBUNKED. YOU LOOK SILLY NOW. "ITS NOT FAIR" "MANNY NEEDS HIS TORADOL, HES NOT SCARED OF NEEDLES ANYMORE DOE" hahahahahahah

And despite Thomas Hauser agenda driven attack on Floyd and USADA - USADA still landed that pivotal UFC contract that VADA was after. Hahahahahahahahajahahahah


USADA will continue to grant TUE's to fighters, partly because the organization will test UFC's roster of 500+ fighters at least 2,750 times per year, even if fighter's are not licensed for an upcoming bout.

In the wake of these controversial reports on both Mayweather and Mir, Novitzky gave the following statement lending his full support to USADA:

"Based on 15 years of working with them and seeing how they make decisions and seeing how those decisions are ethical and how every single time they adhere to carrying out the WADA code, I have 100 percent confidence that we have enlisted the gold standard, best anti-doping agency in the world and all of our athletes should have that same trust and confidence. I haven't lost any of that in USADA. They're the best."



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. PACT@RDS AND HAUSER LOST.

Manny vs Floyd

Actually, I have stayed quite consistent. Its YOU and some other Floyd fans who have not.

ADP02:
Manny?
I gave reasons for and against it. Go check out a post that I responded to "new" travestny. I'm no expert at rotator cuff injuries but the more I read, the more I see how you are getting confused.


Floyd? I understand dehydration a lot. I get dehydrated often and know that the body can handle quite a bit. Especially when you are athletic and in shape. When I get very dehydrated, the signs are there. My weight goes down ALWAYS even though I try to keep myself rehydrated while doing my activity!!!

For Floyd, its an easy equation.
Floyd's excuses are lies. He did not give blood in 10 days. He did not just finish a heavy duty strenuous training session because that would be dumb anyways. He should be resting and at most be just staying sharp and game planning. Nothing crazy that requires a freaking IV.
We know about Floyd from 30 days out to just before the IV. It is NOT a mystery. We are fortunate to have that information. We have his vital signs. We have his pre-fight report. We have lots of video of him. You put all that information and include studies, what USADA, WADA, NSAC say about all this and put all that information together and it shows that ....... Floyd was not significantly dehydrated

Floyd was also able to drink orally and drank enough to get close to normal. Studies show that drinking 600ml of plain water will rehydrate you in 45 minutes if you are mildly dehydrated.
That is pretty much what we all witnessed that day after the weigh in. So it is a slam dunk!!!



YOU and travestyny:
Floyd: I need to see that fake BS note from a doctor. A doctor that is a mystery. You say this even though Floyd thanks Dr Ariza for saving him from his "extreme dehydration".

Manny: Unlike what you say about Floyd, you react differently and according to how you presented your points about Floyd, you are clearly speculating. You are not waiting to first see an MRI or a video of a surgery or an expert (doctor) who examined Manny or verified Manny's case and helped you derive your conclusions.


In summary, my opinion and yours is not the point here.
I have a HUGE issue with your inconsistencies. You guys can no longer turn back from making that critical mistake.
You say do not judge before you know everything and call it speculation (even if I think we have more than enough) but then you turn around and judge with not all the information in your hands







You missed this part:
"I'm not sure I've seen anyone saying Mir was denied by Nevada, so Novitzky's firing shots at something that's not really there. The issue is their utilizing the****utic use exemptions for the year-round testing which may not be approved by local commissions when a fighter has something set. That absolutely leads to confusion if a fighter is able to get an exemption for something from USADA that then doesn't hold up with a commission."


and you missed this quote as well from Novitzky
Jeff Novitzky: That’s the primary reason. I saw it up front and center in cycling. They were using IVs of saline solution to manipulate their blood level readings, which were being used to determine if they were blood doping. It could also be used to flush a system. It dilutes blood and urine so that natural steroid profiles are very hard to read after you’ve taken an IV bag. That’s the primary reason. WADA also prohibits them for some health reasons. When an IV is administered, especially close to a competition, there’s a possibility of blowing out a vein or having clotting after the IV is taken out. There could be some issues with edema and swelling. If the idea is to rehydrate, it’s much safer to do it orally. Studies show that orally rehydrating is better for you if you’re mildly dehydrated. There’s two things that they show consistently. Number one, it’s obviously safer to put something through your mouth than put it in a needle in your vein. Number two, your perceived rate of exertion, how hard you feel you’re working after rehydrating orally, is less than if you rehydrate via IV. If you rehydrate orally properly, the next day you’re going to feel a whole lot better when you’re exerting yourself.”

“Now that’s mild dehydration,” Novitzky added. Where extreme dehydration is concerned, Novitzky suggested, “You probably should go to a hospital. [And] I think you need to notify the commission where you’re fighting.”


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[ADP02]

It doesn't matter that it is his non-shooting hand. The problem is that basketball, and swimming for that matter, require the participant to lift their arms over their head. THAT is what the problem is all about.

"Injuries to the rotator cuff often occur in people who perform repeated overhead activities, such as throwing motions, racquet sports, swimming, and occupations that require a lot of overhead work."
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/wotw113.htm

Swimmers and runners should wait at least three months before returning to action. Swimmers should ask their doctors whether the surgically repaired shoulder is strong enough to do the crawl. It may need 6 months to a year depending on what was found at surgery.
Read more: http://ehealthmd.com/content/rotator...#ixzz46YRZQi7z

Article titled: Returning to Swimming Program after Shoulder Surgery or Injury
"Prior to returning to swimming, you must have full range of motion and full strength in the rotator cuff and scapular muscles"

"With the consent of their surgeon patients can often return to activities such as swimming golf and tennis at six months after their surgery."
http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=...uff-tears.html

From a Basketball Website:
"As a potential rotator cuff tear develops, you’ll begin to experience pain in the shoulder or arm, muscle weakness and difficulty moving your arm over your head. If the rotator cuff experiences a full-thickness tear, you’ll probably feel a pop followed by pain and a sudden, marked weakness in the arm. These do not heal on their own. A rotator cuff tear prevents most activities that rely on shoulder movement, including overhead activities, throwing, pushing, swimming and lifting."

"Pain is worst when you use your arm for activities above your shoulder level. This means that the pain can affect your ability to lift your arm up - for example, to comb your hair or dress yourself. Swimming, basketball and painting can be painful but writing and typing may produce little in the way of pain."
http://patient.info/health/rotator-cuff-disorders

basketball and swimming cause rotator cuff issues.


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Quote???? Still waiting for the link. Does this exist or did you lie?

What happened to the "I'm fine, I never went to a doctor. All I did was swim" bull****? Oh,that's right. Damage control.

You are getting more confused!!!

I gave you a link that should have cleared it up for you from your speculation.

Activities can happen much sooner. I think you had one comment that someone should even be in a sling for like 4-6 months? So this proves that you are not expert at this.

When you have surgery, they want you to start doing passive then active exercises soon and that is to promote healing and so the shoulder does not stiffen up. Your approach would do the opposite!

You are confusing a lot. 1) Injury, then surgery 2) activities for rehab, 3) athlete training and 4) athlete getting back into action.

The comments that you bring up for #4 is not the same as #2 for example which has several phases. As the link that I provided, you will definitely be moving your arm above your should way before you get to point #4 but you are confused and thinking that is not possible. That is the whole point of rehab. They want you to eventually move in all directions way before #4.

Also when you are injured, every injury is different.

With Kobe Bryant, he is playing in a team. The team looks out for him and steer him in the right direction. For Manny, he is the boss except for maybe when Arum tells him he needs to get an MRI or no fight. So to say, Kobe Bryant knew that his season was over and was not coming back until next season.

STILL, listen to Kobe Bryant. Do you think that Kobe was also lying and did not have an injury? Kobe said he played BASKETBALL while he was injured but all that you posted makes him a big liar!!!

"In an hour-long NBA TV interview special, Kobe Bryant revealed that he had played with a torn rotator cuff in his right shoulder for an extended period of time prior to opting for season-ending surgery."

"The funny thing about it is I've been playing with it, I guess, torn for a long time," Bryant laughed. "I just never actually got an MRI on it. Even now, the strength in my shoulder is good. It's fine. I can shoot, but I just keep tearing it more and more and more. I've had this pain for a long time. It's just I've never actually had it looked at because the strength was so good."

The nature of a torn rotator cuff injury is that the tear will not heal. However, over time, it will continue to deteriorate, and Bryant contended that he could have continued playing without surgery, but the shoulder would only get worse. Incredibly though, Bryant managed to keep playing basketball with an injured shoulder."


"new travestyny": Kobe Bryant is a big liar!


I think you will really be su****ious now because Kobe is LIFTING weights at 2+ months after surgery.


Apr 16, 2015

"The Los Angeles Times, Lakers coach Byron Scott said that Bryant has started to lift weights while "going back to his old way of working out. Might be ahead of schedule a bit?"



Here is Kobe after 2 weeks out of the sling and they are playing it "safe" yet they already have his shoulder with a good range of movement? reason is because its part of the program.:
I don’t have much pain in it. The range of motion is very good. But they want me to play it safe and make sure it’s in place with where it should be.”



BTW - I gave you the link that stated that the doctors who examined Manny said that Manny was doing better but not fully healed since needed to avoid strenuous activities. Manny then stated its 80-90%. All you need to take out of it is the doctor said that Manny was not fully healed. Go back to my previous post.

[Reloaded]

You guys keep beating this dead horse. There is nothing left to beat. It really is over, as one of you said, t this point it is futile!!

Yep beat to death and now a rotting pile of nothing , well done Pac fans you few are an embarrassment .

[travestyny]

You are getting more confused!!!

I gave you a link that should have cleared it up for you from your speculation.

Activities can happen much sooner. I think you had one comment that someone should even be in a sling for like 4-6 months? So this proves that you are not expert at this.

When you have surgery, they want you to start doing passive then active exercises soon and that is to promote healing and so the shoulder does not stiffen up. Your approach would do the opposite!

You are confusing a lot. 1) Injury, then surgery 2) activities for rehab, 3) athlete training and 4) athlete getting back into action.

The comments that you bring up for #4 is not the same as #2 for example which has several phases. As the link that I provided, you will definitely be moving your arm above your should way before you get to point #4 but you are confused and thinking that is not possible. That is the whole point of rehab. They want you to eventually move in all directions way before #4.

Also when you are injured, every injury is different.

With Kobe Bryant, he is playing in a team. The team looks out for him and steer him in the right direction. For Manny, he is the boss except for maybe when Arum tells him he needs to get an MRI or no fight. So to say, Kobe Bryant knew that his season was over and was not coming back until next season.

STILL, listen to Kobe Bryant. Do you think that Kobe was also lying and did not have an injury? Kobe said he played BASKETBALL while he was injured but all that you posted makes him a big liar!!!

"In an hour-long NBA TV interview special, Kobe Bryant revealed that he had played with a torn rotator cuff in his right shoulder for an extended period of time prior to opting for season-ending surgery."

"The funny thing about it is I've been playing with it, I guess, torn for a long time," Bryant laughed. "I just never actually got an MRI on it. Even now, the strength in my shoulder is good. It's fine. I can shoot, but I just keep tearing it more and more and more. I've had this pain for a long time. It's just I've never actually had it looked at because the strength was so good."

The nature of a torn rotator cuff injury is that the tear will not heal. However, over time, it will continue to deteriorate, and Bryant contended that he could have continued playing without surgery, but the shoulder would only get worse. Incredibly though, Bryant managed to keep playing basketball with an injured shoulder."


"new travestyny": Kobe Bryant is a big liar!


I think you will really be su****ious now because Kobe is LIFTING weights at 2+ months after surgery.


Apr 16, 2015

"The Los Angeles Times, Lakers coach Byron Scott said that Bryant has started to lift weights while "going back to his old way of working out. Might be ahead of schedule a bit?"



Here is Kobe after 2 weeks out of the sling and they are playing it "safe" yet they already have his shoulder with a good range of movement? reason is because its part of the program.:
I don’t have much pain in it. The range of motion is very good. But they want me to play it safe and make sure it’s in place with where it should be.”



BTW - I gave you the link that stated that the doctors who examined Manny said that Manny was doing better but not fully healed since needed to avoid strenuous activities. Manny then stated its 80-90%. All you need to take out of it is the doctor said that Manny was not fully healed. Go back to my previous post.

1. All of the information I've given you has been from doctors or medical websites. This has nothing to do with me not knowing what I'm talking about. When I said it is ESTIMATED that his shoulder should be in a sling for 4-6 months, I quoted the doctor and why the doctor said that. So does that mean you are telling the doctor that he doesn't know what he is talking about?

2. We already talked about Kobe Bryant playing with the injury. Sure he can if he is on pain medication.

3. No one is confused. What you can't seem to understand is that the same activities that can cause a torn rotator cuff are also activities that you should NOT do when recovering from the surgery. This is obvious. You don't go swimming 1 month after this type of surgery. That doesn't make sense. You also don't play basketball at 3 months. So then we have Kobe Bryant....

4. Kobe Bryant is confusing YOU, homie. He is lifting weights 2.5 months after surgery. Do you think that means he is lifting barbells over his head? He didn't take a shot on the basketball court for 7 months after surgery. Do you know why? Pacquaio was playing basketball at 3 months, not 7 months. pacquaio was swimming at 1 month perceivably. Pacquaio was waving a flag over his head at 1 month, not 2.5 months.


You're moving too fast which is making your comprehension skills suffer. Let's start here:

What do you think Paquaio meant by this statement:
“I’m fine. It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound.”

And to be clear, this was 3 months out. What exactly do you think he meant?

[Zaroku]

Yep beat to death and now a rotting pile of nothing , well done Pac fans you few are an embarrassment .

Hahahahahahaha!! Bwahahahahaha
They really are first class fools of the highest order!
The pain lasts longer in slow motion. !!!

[kurt0411]

Pretty sure all 3 are guilty but voted Floyd seeing as how he got caught for the biggest fight in boxing.