who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[travestyny]

in short, lame comeback.

1. Do you admit you are wrong about 250ml needing 2-4 hours, or do I need to post the proof of this again to make you feel like an idiot?

2. Do you admit that an IV can't cause someone to bleed from their pelvis, or do you still have this idiotic belief?

3. Do you admit that it is idiotic for you to believe in the red/blue corner theory? Yes or no?

I told you, you shouldn't respond to me until you clarify these topics. Why won't you do it, moron?

Once again, you show that it's not that English isn't your first language. You are simply an idiot. I feel really sorry for you. You are dumb as bricks.

[Rath]

These are all things that YOU have commented on, and YOU don't know the answers.

Thank you for proving the point that everyone has been trying to tell you Pacroach idiots all along. You are not privy to any of this information. Congratulations. You just told yourself to STFU.

just as i expected, classic deflection/diversion/evasion technique genius floyd fans are known for.

in short you can not answer those questions.

game set and match.

just one favor please, just a green in a months time can you manage that?

[travestyny]

just as i expected, classic deflection/diversion/evasion technique genius floyd fans are known for.

in short you can not answer those questions.

game set and match.

just one favor please, just a green in a months time can you manage that?

You are an absolute moron. You do realize that, right?

Here. Because I have some free time, I'll play.

was Floyd dehydrated? with proof if possible
Yes he was. The proof is that the IV was prescribed by a medical practitioner and approved by USADA.

what time was the Iv administered?
On May 1st before 8:15pm.

who administered IV name please?
This information is on the TUE application, which is confidential.

How fast was floyd able to finish 750ml of unknown solution?
Much faster than in 2-4 hours which you claim is the time for 250ml of IV fluid to be administered.

what time did floyd gave the first urine sample?
Before the IV was administered.

Now that I've answered your questions, you answer mine.

1. Can an IV of 250ml be administered in less than 2 hours?
2. Can an IV cause someone to bleed from their pelvis?
3. Do you still believe in the red/blue corner theory? Why?
4. What time was the IV administered?
5. How fast was Floyd able to finish 750ml of IV fluid?
6. What time did Floyd give the first urine sample?

Questions 4, 5, and 6 are all things that you've commented on, so I expect you to know the answers.

Looking forward to your response

[Rath]

You are an absolute moron. You do realize that, right?

Here. Because I have some free time, I'll play.

was Floyd dehydrated? with proof if possible
Yes he was. The proof is that the IV was prescribed by a medical practitioner and approved by USADA.

the phantom medical practitioner was called to administer the IV not to diagnose if floyd was dehydrated or not USADA said he was already hence the presence of a phantom aramedic.

what time was the Iv administered?
[B]On May 1st before 8:15pm. [/B

what is this a kindergarten answer? LOL


who administered IV name please?
This information is on the TUE application, which is confidential.

oh yeah right!how did you know it was there if it was confidential? genius floyd fan logic LOL

How fast was floyd able to finish 750ml of unknown solution?
Much faster than in 2-4 hours which you claim is the time for 250ml of IV fluid to be administered.

kindergarten reply

what time did floyd gave the first urine sample?
Before the IV was administered.

good answer but i can do that too

Now that I've answered your questions, you answer mine.

1. Can an IV of 250ml be administered in less than 2 hours?

the link i provided never claimed that 250 ml can not be finished in less than 2 hours.

2. Can an IV cause someone to bleed from their pelvis?

provide that link and let see.


3. Do you still believe in the red/blue corner theory?

Yes and it's a fact not a theory final score card says red corner won

Why?

because final score card says red corner won

4. What time was the IV administered?

6 hours after USADA arrived at Floyd's house


5. How fast was Floyd able to finish 750ml of IV fluid?

extremely fast

6. What time did Floyd give the first urine sample?

before the IV was administered

Questions 4, 5, and 6 are all things that you've commented on, so I expect you to know the answers.

Looking forward to your response

see how easy it was to answer the question sans the deflections and evasion technique you so fond of using

[Lester Tutor]

see how easy it was to answer the question sans the deflections and evasion technique you so fond of using

TEAM USA!!

[Dosumpthin]

I have already experienced this.

When something is chronic and you have medication then you would check to see if the medication is a banned substance or not. If what you have is chronic then you would definitely know it way beforehand.

Many years ago, my doctor prescribed a couple of inhalers. So these 2 pumps should be already declared with the ADO since I required them on an ongoing basis. At one point in time, my attack was so severe that the inhalers were useless. I went to the hospital. They advised me that I should stay there overnight for treatments. Now they had me on a ventilating machine and gave me some other substances. SO to say that I would have taken those substances before letting the ADO know about it.

The above is all cool. When its a significant health risk then it should be all good. Its considered an emergency type situation. WADA states that these situations and the need for retroactive TUEs are uncommon but they are pointing out that they can happen.

I had already mentioned this on several occasions.

AGREED, your personal experience would fall under 4.3 A - a medical emergency - and should allow you to submit a tue application retroactively for the tuec to consider approval.


What if the athlete had been diagnosed with a chronic medical condition, such as asthma, as a child - but is not currently using any medication; 2 weeks before the event he has a minor asthma attack that was treated without the need of hospitalization.


Should that athlete have applied for a theraputic use exemption if there was no current "theraputic use"? You can argue the athlete should apply retroactively in theory, but do you think the ado will approve a tue for a medical condition that hasn't happened in 15 years and is not being treated with any substances?

Would it even make sense for every athlete who has at some point in their life been diagnosed with a chronic condition apply for a tue every time they compete? That's a lot of applications wouldn't you agree?

How many chronic medical conditions are there and are all of them considered life threatening emergencies?



Wouldn't it be a good idea for wada to allow an athlete to retroactively submit medical records that would verify he was diagnosed with a legitiment chronic medical condition, such as asthma as child, in the event he needed some sort of medical treatment that he wouldn't have been granted a tue for even had he applied?

4.3 b) insuffecient time

Or maybe the althele grew up in a country with inadequate medical care - this athlete would later become a 8 division world champion - during training he experienced symptoms related to asthma for the first time in his adult life - and was officially diagnosed with a chronic medical condition.

It would be fair to allow this athlete to submit a tue application for considerstion retroactively.

4.3 c. Only fair.

Wouldn't you agree?

[travestyny]

the phantom medical practitioner was called to administer the IV not to diagnose if floyd was dehydrated or not USADA said he was already hence the presence of a phantom aramedic.

So USADA was the only one to say he was dehydrated? lol. WRONG.
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Can you read and comprehend that? It's part of the TUE application. What do you think that means?

who administered IV name please?
This information is on the TUE application, which is confidential.

oh yeah right!how did you know it was there if it was confidential? genius floyd fan logic LOL

Because unlike you, I'm not an idiot.

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Do you know what that is? It's part of the TUE application. Now try to put 1+1 together.

the link i provided never claimed that 250 ml can not be finished in less than 2 hours.

Then why did you say that 250ml of IV fluid would take 2-4 hours.

provide that link and let see.

LMAO. You still need to see the link? Have at it.

http://allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/ns-bolus-291618.html

Yes and it's a fact not a theory final score card says red corner won

Your theory has to do with foul play. Did you ever explain how the judges gave rounds 4 and 6 to Mayweather if your theory is to be believed? Many posters told you that. Why didn't you ever respond?

4. What time was the IV administered?

6 hours after USADA arrived at Floyd's house

Where is your proof of that? Let's see it!

5. How fast was Floyd able to finish 750ml of IV fluid?

extremely fast

I think I understand what the problem is here. You stated that you believe he took it in 15 minutes and that means it's for a flush. Do you believe that the IV process physically flushes out the traces of PED? lol. Wow. You are definitely a moron, man. This probably explains why you had a problem with me showing you the IV being used to cure a hang over. You believe that different speeds of infusion are used for different things? You think that an IV used for dehydration should be delivered at a different speed than an IV used for a hangover? And you believe that an IV used to flush should be delivered extremely quickly...like in 15 minutes, or it won't flush? lol. There are layers to your ******ity. The only concern about the IV delivery rate for IV fluid is if the patient isn't healthy enough in the sense that giving too much too quickly can be harmful. Your link mentions cardiac or renal issues. Did you really think the amount of time used for a patient with cardiac or renal issues would be applicable to this case? lol. I've shown PROOF that an IV FOR REHYDRATION can be given in 30-45 minutes, and that's with 1000ml of IV fluid. God, I can't believe how idiotic you are.

6. What time did Floyd give the first urine sample?

before the IV was administered

Didn't you just say that it was immediately before the IV, which was after the weigh-in. So you must believe the first urine sample came after the weigh-in. Now show your proof.


Stop doing this to yourself. Come on, now!

[ADP02]

AGREED, your personal experience would fall under 4.3 A - a medical emergency - and should allow you to submit a tue application retroactively for the tuec to consider approval.


What if the athlete had been diagnosed with a chronic medical condition, such as asthma, as a child - but is not currently using any medication; 2 weeks before the event he has a minor asthma attack that was treated without the need of hospitalization.


Should that athlete have applied for a theraputic use exemption if there was no current "theraputic use"? You can argue the athlete should apply retroactively in theory, but do you think the ado will approve a tue for a medical condition that hasn't happened in 15 years and is not being treated with any substances?

Would it even make sense for every athlete who has at some point in their life been diagnosed with a chronic condition apply for a tue every time they compete? That's a lot of applications wouldn't you agree?

How many chronic medical conditions are there and are all of them considered life threatening emergencies?



Wouldn't it be a good idea for wada to allow an athlete to retroactively submit medical records that would verify he was diagnosed with a legitiment chronic medical condition, such as asthma as child, in the event he needed some sort of medical treatment that he wouldn't have been granted a tue for even had he applied?

4.3 b) insuffecient time

Or maybe the althele grew up in a country with inadequate medical care - this athlete would later become a 8 division world champion - during training he experienced symptoms related to asthma for the first time in his adult life - and was officially diagnosed with a chronic medical condition.

It would be fair to allow this athlete to submit a tue application for considerstion retroactively.

4.3 c. Only fair.

Wouldn't you agree?

Whatever you said would more than likely fall under acute medical conditions ... for more than one reason.

In that case, they would still need to be evaluated IF they are considered that it would pose to be a significant health risk for the athlete and that there are no alternatives and so on. For each medical condition and substance or method there are rules as well. That is why I said "In this case" when I gave you an example. Now it appears that you are beginning to see the light (partially).

The athlete and physician would have to judge if it meets the guidelines because when they request it, there are no guarantees that it will be accepted. They say that these situations are uncommon not the norm.

That is why ADO/WADA states that there are even limits to a TUE and you need to be re-evaluated and then reapply. The quote that I gave you didn't come from me (opinion). It was them that stated how you should be handling your situation.

You brought up examples in regards to fairness and insufficient time including an example using Manny.

Unlike your example, Manny actually did have a very serious condition but not life threatening.

The NSAC states that they are the sole authority as far as approving TUEs in the state of Nevada. If there was insufficient time for the NSAC to approve do you think that they would accept you applying for an illegal substance after the event? Manny tried with a legal substance before the fight and they said its the athletes problem that there was insufficient time.

Imagine if the request for a TUE only came after the fight and it was a prohibited substance?



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[Dosumpthin]

Whatever you said would more than likely fall under acute medical conditions ... for more than one reason.



.

Lets review. Wada states :

4.2 Unless one of the exceptions set out in Article 4.3 applies, an Athlete who
needs to Use a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method for The****utic reasons
must obtain a TUE prior to Using or Possessing the substance or method in
question.

I have said that it is possible according to wada to be granted approval for a retroactive tue application submission based on the above statement. This is evident because each exeption in 4.3 has the word OR in between them.


I gave you an example of asthma being a chronic illness in which the athelete would not have requested, or been granted, a tue prior to 30days........

"What if the athlete had been diagnosed with a chronic medical condition, such as asthma, as a child - but is not currently using any medication; 2 weeks before the event he has a minor asthma attack that was treated without the need of hospitalization."


You are saying this would be an acute condition. "Whatever you said would more than likely fall under acute medical conditions".

But it is a chronic illness and the athlete should have known. Right? You previously said:

ADP02 WROTE:

They explained it to you that YOU MUST submit within 30 days for chronic medical conditions because their definition of chronic is that you have had it long enough and its too bad if you think that you can request a retroactive TUE for this because you will NOT get one. It is not an exceptional circumstance.

This is contradicting stance isn't it?

We can keep referencing chronic illnesses that can be in remission for years. We can keep going in circles.


Or you can admit you are wrong in the way you are interpeting the wording for the rules of obtaining a tue retroactively.


The official code is:

4.2 Unless one of the exceptions set out in Article 4.3 applies, an Athlete who
needs to Use a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method for The****utic reasons
must obtain a TUE prior to Using or Possessing the substance or method in
question.


4.3 An Athlete may only be granted retroactive approval for his/her The****utic
Use of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method (i.e., a retroactive TUE) if:

a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was
necessary; or

b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or
opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an
application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or

c. The applicable rules required the Athlete (see comment to Article 5.1) or
permitted the Athlete (see Code Article 4.4.5) to apply for a retroactive
TUE;
[Comment to 4.3(c): Such Athletes are strongly advised to have a medical file
prepared and ready to demonstrate their satisfaction of the TUE conditions set out
at Article 4.1, in case an application for a retroactive TUE is necessary following
Sample collection.]

or

d. It is agreed, by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the
application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness
requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.
[Comment to 4.3(d): If WADA and/or the Anti-Doping Organization do not agree
to the application of Article 4.3(d), that may not be challenged either as a defense
to proceedings for an anti-doping rule violation, or by way of appeal, or otherwise.]

[Spoon23]

Shocking!

Froid is relatively stable in weight loss going into the fight.