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  • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
    “If you look at Daniel [Cormier’s] two ratios, they were .42 and .47; that’s about an eight percent deviation. If you look at the numbers for Jon Jones, his was basically an 80 percent deviation. His is su****ious and Daniel Cormier’s is not. It’s not just that he’s got very low [testosterone] levels, much lower than Daniel. Daniel’s are normal, his are extremely low.”
    Read more at http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Vic...374uEiwvEvL.99
    From your very same article.

    Cormier’s T/E ratios were 0.40:1 and 0.48:1, while his testosterone levels were 50 ng/mL and 70 ng/mL.

    “These are highly su****ious for Jon Jones, in my opinion,” Conte said. “This is the reason that sophisticated anti-doping officials do target testing. So based on what we see here, my opinion is Jon Jones should be on a very short leash and should be random tested here until they sort out why he has these anomalies.”

    That Jones’ levels were as low as they were should raise a red flag, according to Conte, because the use of performance enhancing drugs could be a potential culprit.

    “The question is what was suppressing his testosterone production for that period of time. Something caused it to go down, and I do not believe it was overtraining,” Conte said. “Exogenous testosterone and other steroids in a period of time, depending on dosage and method of administration, can completely shut your testosterone and epitestosterone levels in urine to 0....The levels being low there can be many explanations. [People say], ‘Well maybe it’s because he was taking *******.’ There’s no solid science out there that shows ******* lowers testosterone.
    What did I say about results like that?

    You are either masking with epitestosterone or your natural production has been suppressed because you just came off a cycle and haven't dont proper post cycle therapy to restart your natural production.

    There is a problem with PTC when it comes to sports. The two main drugs for restarting your system are HCG and clomid. Both are banned and both are easily detectable.



    This guy does not have low testosterone.

    So much for your T/E ratio below 1 logic.
    So much for your reading comprehension.

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    • Originally posted by GTTofAK View Post
      From your very same article.

      What did I say about results like that?

      You are either masking with epitestosterone or your natural production has been suppressed because you just came off a cycle and haven't dont proper post cycle therapy to restart your natural production.

      There is a problem with PTC when it comes to sports. The two main drugs for restarting your system are HCG and clomid. Both are banned and both are easily detectable.

      So much for your reading comprehension.
      Here is a reality check: No one cares about your opinion when there are experts in the field that reject it. Get over yourself.

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      • Originally posted by Dosumpthin View Post
        I mentioned conte the same way I always do.
        He works for vada - who is in direct competition with USADA. And was convicted for his role in manufacturing peds because of USADA.

        It was either irresponsible or intentionally done by Hauser. Either way it makes his statements about usada agenda driven and should be taken with a grain of salt. Beside what he said was ****** about 39 days. ****ing idiot.

        FALSE: You keep saying it like its a fact but Conte does not work for VADA.

        You must be new around here but Conte, Floyd and USADA were on the same page when it came to criticizing Manny. Floyd fans used to like Conte for this reason. Like I said, now that Conte is criticizing Floyd and USADA, you Floyd fans cannot handle the heat.

        Wrong: Hauser does not just use Conte to get his information. Conte was one of them but not the only one. All were surprised at what occurred. They kept on saying that you do not give an IV for that as its not legal. And that there are alternatives.

        You just do not like that its about USADA and Floyd. Tough luck!


        I never said it's impossible. Anything is possible. Especially if you a discrediting facts like the results of drug testing. You chose fiction in which the possibilities are endless in place of hard facts.
        OK so now you are saying that its possible for Floyd to have used PEDs. So that was my point when responding to several Floyd fans who made it sound like it was not possible.




        What is NSAC going to investigate if their own rules do not specifically prohibit intravenous INFUSIONS?

        Now Manny on the other would have not had a problem if he didn't use his UNDISCLOSED torn rotator cuff as an EXCUSE for his performance. So the fans reacted with lawsuits while the governing body reacted with an investigation.
        Investigate what? Floyd injected a substance for his medical condition. So was Manny. Both substances were said to be legal.

        On pre-fight form, Floyd didn't state his medical condition, the injection and the substances injected.
        On pre-fight form, Manny didn't state his medical condition but did mention the substances.


        NSAC stated that the reason that they didn't allow it for Manny was not because it was illegal. It was because Manny did not disclose it in his pre-fight form. They said that there is a protocol that Manny had to follow. If Manny did not, Manny was in violation.

        Floyd skipped the protocol altogether and signed a pre-fight form that contained invalid statements.

        The NSAC requested for an investigation on Manny. The NSAC should have investigated Floyd as well. Why? Floyd didn't follow the proper protocol as well.







        If it wasn't legit then you are saying WADA, who overseas USADA DESCISION TO APPROVE THE TUE is on Floyd's payroll as well. Wow that 150k stretches really far. That even takes VADA out of the equation as well being that wada overseas them as well.

        I IMPLORE YOU TO CONTACT WADA. yes, that's who you need to convince to do an investigation. Maybe they don't know about the fight. Maybe they never heard of floyd, manny or the sport of boxing.

        It is your duty to inform wada of the unjustified tue -and send them the link to Floyd and ellerbe.
        USADA/WADA is saying that IVs like Floyd did can mask PEDs and effect their testing results.

        USADA accepted this for Floyd even though the IV affected the testing results. Says ADP02? Yes but so does USADA/WADA!!!


        There you Floyd fans go ahead. It's either "How can that be?" or "Its not possible".

        What you are saying makes it sound like it cannot happen but if you go by history, WADA accredited anti-doping organizations, accredited WADA labs have been found to do just that.

        150K for 1 fight is not too bad but you fail to bring up that this is not the first time Floyd's representatives have given USADA money.
        Lance Armstrong representatives gave the UCI less than that for a given year.

        So yes, 150K for 1 fight and with promise that there is more where that came from, given to the right people can be plenty.

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        • Originally posted by GTTofAK View Post
          From your very same article.



          What did I say about results like that?

          You are either masking with epitestosterone or your natural production has been suppressed because you just came off a cycle and haven't dont proper post cycle therapy to restart your natural production.

          There is a problem with PTC when it comes to sports. The two main drugs for restarting your system are HCG and clomid. Both are banned and both are easily detectable.



          This guy does not have low testosterone.



          So much for your reading comprehension.
          Originally posted by travestyny View Post
          Here is a reality check: No one cares about your opinion when there are experts in the field that reject it. Get over yourself.
          Lol what a lame argument to say travestyNY, your weakest and dumbest so far lol GTTOFAK mops you again and again lol

          You just owned yourself. He gave you facts. And you are in a forum were facts is what counts. Learn from this so you'll be green sooner than later lmao
          Last edited by Spoon23; 03-11-2016, 01:32 AM.

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          • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
            FALSE: You keep saying it like its a fact but Conte does not work for VADA.
            Conte helped establish VADA according to him.
            “I'm going to tell you something that we've never disclosed to anybody before. And we've been working on this and I'll tell you some of the names, because this has been written about in some boxing magazines. Dr. Margaret Goodman (former ringside physician and Medical Advisory Board Chairman for the Nevada State Athletic Commission), Dr. Flip Hamonsky (Former Nevada commissioner), I'm involved, and there's another very high profile anti-doping world renowned expert involved. We'll reveal who this is shortly, but he is one of the most credible people in the world of anti-doping,”

            SO UM. YEAH PRETTY UNBIASED. Agree?




            You must be new around here but Conte, Floyd and USADA were on the same page when it came to criticizing Manny. Floyd fans used to like Conte for this reason. Like I said, now that Conte is criticizing Floyd and USADA, you Floyd fans cannot handle the heat.
            How does this apply to me? What's the point of this statement? Do you read the dumb **** Rath says? Should I apply that to you?



            Wrong: Hauser does not just use Conte to get his information. Conte was one of them but not the only one. All were surprised at what occurred. They kept on saying that you do not give an IV for that as its not legal. And that there are alternatives.

            You just do not like that its about USADA and Floyd. Tough luck!

            But they do not know confidential medical records or the tue application. Why does their opinion matter? I think this is unprofessional of Hauser and ****** of you to keep repeating it.





            OK so now you are saying that its possible for Floyd to have used PEDs. So that was my point when responding to several Floyd fans who made it sound like it was not possible.
            Again why is this a factor? Why am I being help accountable for someone esles opinion? That's pretty ****** of you. Look me in the eyes when speaking to me.




            Investigate what? Floyd injected a substance for his medical condition. So was Manny. Both substances were said to be legal.

            On pre-fight form, Floyd didn't state his medical condition, the injection and the substances injected.
            On pre-fight form, Manny didn't state his medical condition but did mention the substances.
            When was this form filled out?
            Allergies, vitamins and minerals was listed. Not that it matters. And the iv is legal under nsac so your argument is weak and pointless.

            But your comparing that to a major injury that was known for weeks. According to the pre fight form they listed a total of 5 drugs but no injury???

            PRP (illegal until recently and still highly controversial) and celstone (banned within 48 hours) so they were already receiving treatment for an injury they forgot to intentionally mention?
            Wtf?????

            If I was head of nsac would personally launch an investigation especially after seeing a red mark caused by an injection on mannys shoulder during the fight.

            NSAC stated that the reason that they didn't allow it for Manny was not because it was illegal. It was because Manny did not disclose it in his pre-fight form. They said that there is a protocol that Manny had to follow. If Manny did not, Manny was in violation.

            Floyd skipped the protocol altogether and signed a pre-fight form that contained invalid statements.

            The NSAC requested for an investigation on Manny. The NSAC should have investigated Floyd as well. Why? Floyd didn't follow the proper protocol as well.
            And what would the investigation prove. Iv is not prohibited under nsac. Why do I have to keep telling you this?








            USADA/WADA is saying that IVs like Floyd did can mask PEDs and effect their testing results.

            USADA accepted this for Floyd even though the IV affected the testing results. Says ADP02? Yes but so does USADA/WADA!!!


            There you Floyd fans go ahead. It's either "How can that be?" or "Its not possible".

            What you are saying makes it sound like it cannot happen but if you go by history, WADA accredited anti-doping organizations, accredited WADA labs have been found to do just that.

            150K for 1 fight is not too bad but you fail to bring up that this is not the first time Floyd's representatives have given USADA money.
            Lance Armstrong representatives gave the UCI less than that for a given year.

            So yes, 150K for 1 fight and with promise that there is more where that came from, given to the right people can be plenty.

            So what happened when you told WADA about a boxing match that took place in may 2nd?? All your Speculation and investigation of popular opinion leads to WADA DOORSTEP.

            Have you at least emailed them for a comment?


            NSAC cleared Floyd. USADA cleared Floyd.
            WADA has the authority to review the tue.

            Call them now.






            Ahhhhhhhh. But this really isn't about the tue. Because even that doesn't explain MANNY PACQIAUO PISS POOR PERFORMANCE NOW DOES IT.

            That's the reality. The iv has absolutely zero affect on Manny lack of ability.

            At least blame the 4th rd shoulder injury. But that doesn't explain rds 1-3 either. You know even in slow mo Manny landed 3 punches for 3 rds. 100 punch per round Manny only landed 3 punches with 2 good arms PRIOR TO SHOULDER INJURY.

            let that sink in. Ahhh it burns doesn't it. Ahhh.


            No iv, tue, toradol or whatever other excuse can explain mannys disappointing performance
            .

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            • Originally posted by Dosumpthin View Post
              "Severly dehydrated" is not the only medical condition that could have warranted an iv.

              You don't have access to the medical documents. Stop doing this please.
              1. We are talking about dehydration right?
              If not severely, are you implying that even if its a mild type of dehydration, Floyd can get a retroactive TUE?
              If so, please explain how one would go about getting one? ... but may I remind you that Floyd said what I said (extremely dehydrated - see point 3).


              2. Access to the medical documents

              Is it because you just do not understand? Maybe that is your real problem. Maybe you are not faking this? So I should explain.

              According to Floyd/Ellerbe/Ariza, Floyd was in a dehydrated stated. In Floyd's case, how he got there is not as relevant as knowing how dehydrated Floyd is.

              2a. Either way: Floyd/Ellerbe told you that Floyd was dehydrated and how he got dehydrated but you do not like what they have to say.

              Either way: Floyd pointed out in a separate interview that the reason was that Floyd was extremely dehydrated because of his workouts. That he thanks Dr Alex Ariza (I found your doctor!!!) that helped Floyd out as far as properly hydrating himself and in a difficult time Ariza told him how to re-hydrate in a 'professional manner.' Ariza confirmed that dehydration was Floyd's problem.

              Either way: USADA stated that Floyd requested for an IV. Floyd said he got his information from Ariza. Ariza confirmed it was for rehydration purposes.

              So the issue was dehydration due to workouts and they then requested for an IV. Supposedly, the paramedics gave the IV to Floyd. About 18 days AFTER the fight, they requested for a retroactive TUE.


              2b. Either way: Floyd/Ellerbe had been consistent with their stories on several occasions. I would think that Floyd would know better than a doctor if he had diarrhea! Did Floyd say that? No he said what he had and why. You make it sound like Ariza, Ellerbe and Floyd are idiots that have no experience.


              Dehydrated state: That is level of dehydration. It is important to know. You implied that it is not but it is. This is part of your problem.



              I don't expect them to accurately diagnosis Floyd medical condition. Its not adding up because you don't realize Floyd and Ellerbe are NOT physicians. You need to see the tue application to know why Floyd was ALLOWED to use the iv. Pretty simple.
              I already explained it above. Pretty simple. You just do not want to get it.

              Floyd said that he was severely dehydrated due to workouts. Ariza said lets get an IV since the talk was that FLoyd was severely dehydrated and the request was made.


              This is not true. Severely dehydrated is ONE of the medical conditions listed along with nausea and diarrhea and more. I know why you keep saying it though. It fits you agenda but it's not a fact, it's fiction.
              No. You are desperately trying to make it something that it clearly is not.

              First of all we are discussing requesting an IV then getting a retroactive TUE.

              You simply do not understand. That is part of your problem. You are looking at it wrong.

              Floyd said the reason for dehydration was working out. Now even if for some very strange reason, he does not get that, I doubt that Floyd and Ellerbe and Ariza are so dumb that after someone tells them, they still cannot parrot it back. Floyd stayed consistent in several interviews.

              With Floyd's years of experience, he should know and worse case be able to parrot back.

              but that is not all that you are not getting. Floyd/Ellerbe/Ariza didn't even have to say anything except that the IV was for rehydration purposes.


              Dehydrated state: That is level of dehydration. It is important to know. You implied that it is not but it is. This is part of your problem.

              Working out, nausea, diarrhea in itself is not a reason for an IV. Far from it.
              Its the level of working out, diarrhea and so on that triggers the problem in question.

              What problem? Losing fluids which in turn means losing weight.

              Now if its a simple workout or the workout was the day before or Floyd just ate bad fish, then it would be considered a mild form of dehydration where Floyd lost minimal weight.
              Now if Floyd was in the iron man, or had a really bad virus where the diarrhea was extreme that Floyd lost a lot of fluids which in turn, Floyd lost a lot of weight, then that would be much higher on the dehydration scale. BUT THE SCALE, meaning Floyd's weight needs to reflect this. If Floyd lost relatively little weight, NO FLOYD SHOULD BE OK WITH AN ALTERNATIVE. That is, orally rehydrating himself. NO IV!


              Your excuse: You are pleading ignorance now for Floyd and Ellerbe. Even Ariza?


              I'm not "making up more excuses", its in wada code. I gave you a ONE scenario (diarrhea) that would be justifed under wada code. REMEMBER?

              And once again you you think Floyd and Ellerbe self diagnosis matters. Nope, check the documents. It will have a diagnosis by a PHYSICIAN. NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU REFERENCE THAT VIDEO IT STILL WONT CHANGE THIS FACT.
              I explained it above. Its simple.

              You are pleading ignorance now for Floyd and Ellerbe? Even Ariza? Quite pathetic.

              Dehydrated state: That is level of dehydration. It is important to know. You implied that it is not but it is. This is part of your problem.


              They do not have the medical qualifications to give you anything but an opinion. So they spoke in general. So lying or truthfully speaking, they aren't physicians and not qualified to give you anything of substance.

              The only thing that are capable of is observing and reporting SYMPTOMS of Floyds medical condition that causes dehydration. Like explaining fatigue or the color of urine.

              Through my own personal experience I'd advise you to explain this simple concept to family members and loved ones.
              I already explained it above. Pretty simple. You just do not want to get it but lets see how you respond ....

              I can almost guarantee you Leonard e
              Ellerbes name is not anywhere listed on the tue application as a PHYSICIAN.
              You are pleading ignorance now for Floyd and Ellerbe? Even Ariza? Quite pathetic.


              Dehydrated state: That is level of dehydration. It is important to know. You implied that it is not but it is. This is part of your problem.

              Mildly or severely (are the adjectives here) dehydrated. All we know is Floyd was dehydrated.


              I can not give a valid response unless you want me to speculate. You, Thomas Hauser and i, need to have access to Floyd's medical condition.

              And again you're ignoring the fact he gave a partial sample prior to using the iv.
              Dehydrated state: That is level of dehydration. It is important to know. Everywhere else in your post, you implied that it is not but it is. This is part of your problem.

              Second part of your problem is that you do not know how to distinguish these states. If you go back a few posts, I responded at how doctors are supposed to determine this. Dehydration is assessed by verifying the person's weight BEFORE the dehydration commenced and at the point of assessment where the person is dehydrated. Often the person does not know the weight just before the medical condition occurred so the doctor is left with verifying only the clinical signs such as diarrhea, pulse, low blood pressure and so on.


              Speculation you say? No, its all scientific so no need to be aware of what you stated. THis is a problem that only you and some Floyd fans have.

              *************************************************
              Studies have defined mild dehydration as a person who has a weight differential of 4-5%.
              Floyd was in the 0-1% category
              if you take into consideration Floyd's weigh in weight + fluid intake after that.

              Yet he was given an IV? What a joke, right?
              ************************************************** **

              Also, Vital signs were normal. The above (mild dehydration) explains why Floyd's blood pressure was better than normal instead of low. Pulse rate was normal. Again, the above (mild dehydration) explains why it was normal. Its all there in the studies.

              But like I said, the most important factor in this equation is Floyd's weight was stable for 30 days! You cannot hide from that fact.

              You do not get to use an IV if you are mildly dehydrated. IT JUST DOES NOT ADD UP EXCEPT IN FLOYD AND HIS FANS MIND!!! They cannot explain!


              Since you do not believe me then you should check it out yourself. Go ask a different doctors and let me know if they would suggest giving you an IV if:

              - Your weight was 150 a month ago, 149 two weeks out and 148 the week before. The weight at the doctors office is 146 but then you also drank from a 1.5 litre bottle.

              Just use your imagination. Say that you
              You worked out or you urinated or just got diarrhea or vomited or intentionally lost that weight due to you wanted to make weight for a boxing fight.

              If its up to the doctor, not you and not Floyd, the doctor would tell you, 100 times out of 100, that you do not need an IV.


              .

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              • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                1. We are talking about dehydration right?
                If not severely, are you implying that even if its a mild type of dehydration, Floyd can get a retroactive TUE?
                If so, please explain how one would go about getting one? ... but may I remind you that Floyd said what I said (extremely dehydrated - see point 3).


                2. Access to the medical documents

                Is it because you just do not understand? Maybe that is your real problem. Maybe you are not faking this? So I should explain.

                According to Floyd/Ellerbe/Ariza, Floyd was in a dehydrated stated. In Floyd's case, how he got there is not as relevant as knowing how dehydrated Floyd is.

                2a. Either way: Floyd/Ellerbe told you that Floyd was dehydrated and how he got dehydrated but you do not like what they have to say.

                Either way: Floyd pointed out in a separate interview that the reason was that Floyd was extremely dehydrated because of his workouts. That he thanks Dr Alex Ariza (I found your doctor!!!) that helped Floyd out as far as properly hydrating himself and in a difficult time Ariza told him how to re-hydrate in a 'professional manner.' Ariza confirmed that dehydration was Floyd's problem.

                Either way: USADA stated that Floyd requested for an IV. Floyd said he got his information from Ariza. Ariza confirmed it was for rehydration purposes.

                So the issue was dehydration due to workouts and they then requested for an IV. Supposedly, the paramedics gave the IV to Floyd. About 18 days AFTER the fight, they requested for a retroactive TUE.


                2b. Either way: Floyd/Ellerbe had been consistent with their stories on several occasions. I would think that Floyd would know better than a doctor if he had diarrhea! Did Floyd say that? No he said what he had and why. You make it sound like Ariza, Ellerbe and Floyd are idiots that have no experience.


                Dehydrated state: That is level of dehydration. It is important to know. You implied that it is not but it is. This is part of your problem.





                I already explained it above. Pretty simple. You just do not want to get it.

                Floyd said that he was severely dehydrated due to workouts. Ariza said lets get an IV since the talk was that FLoyd was severely dehydrated and the request was made.




                No. You are desperately trying to make it something that it clearly is not.

                First of all we are discussing requesting an IV then getting a retroactive TUE.

                You simply do not understand. That is part of your problem. You are looking at it wrong.

                Floyd said the reason for dehydration was working out. Now even if for some very strange reason, he does not get that, I doubt that Floyd and Ellerbe and Ariza are so dumb that after someone tells them, they still cannot parrot it back. Floyd stayed consistent in several interviews.

                With Floyd's years of experience, he should know and worse case be able to parrot back.

                but that is not all that you are not getting. Floyd/Ellerbe/Ariza didn't even have to say anything except that the IV was for rehydration purposes.


                Dehydrated state: That is level of dehydration. It is important to know. You implied that it is not but it is. This is part of your problem.

                Working out, nausea, diarrhea in itself is not a reason for an IV. Far from it.
                Its the level of working out, diarrhea and so on that triggers the problem in question.

                What problem? Losing fluids which in turn means losing weight.

                Now if its a simple workout or the workout was the day before or Floyd just ate bad fish, then it would be considered a mild form of dehydration where Floyd lost minimal weight.
                Now if Floyd was in the iron man, or had a really bad virus where the diarrhea was extreme that Floyd lost a lot of fluids which in turn, Floyd lost a lot of weight, then that would be much higher on the dehydration scale. BUT THE SCALE, meaning Floyd's weight needs to reflect this. If Floyd lost relatively little weight, NO FLOYD SHOULD BE OK WITH AN ALTERNATIVE. That is, orally rehydrating himself. NO IV!


                Your excuse: You are pleading ignorance now for Floyd and Ellerbe. Even Ariza?




                I explained it above. Its simple.

                You are pleading ignorance now for Floyd and Ellerbe? Even Ariza? Quite pathetic.

                Dehydrated state: That is level of dehydration. It is important to know. You implied that it is not but it is. This is part of your problem.




                I already explained it above. Pretty simple. You just do not want to get it but lets see how you respond ....



                You are pleading ignorance now for Floyd and Ellerbe? Even Ariza? Quite pathetic.


                Dehydrated state: That is level of dehydration. It is important to know. You implied that it is not but it is. This is part of your problem.



                Dehydrated state: That is level of dehydration. It is important to know. Everywhere else in your post, you implied that it is not but it is. This is part of your problem.

                Second part of your problem is that you do not know how to distinguish these states. If you go back a few posts, I responded at how doctors are supposed to determine this. Dehydration is assessed by verifying the person's weight BEFORE the dehydration commenced and at the point of assessment where the person is dehydrated. Often the person does not know the weight just before the medical condition occurred so the doctor is left with verifying only the clinical signs such as diarrhea, pulse, low blood pressure and so on.


                Speculation you say? No, its all scientific so no need to be aware of what you stated. THis is a problem that only you and some Floyd fans have.

                *************************************************
                Studies have defined mild dehydration as a person who has a weight differential of 4-5%.
                Floyd was in the 0-1% category
                if you take into consideration Floyd's weigh in weight + fluid intake after that.

                Yet he was given an IV? What a joke, right?
                ************************************************** **

                Also, Vital signs were normal. The above (mild dehydration) explains why Floyd's blood pressure was better than normal instead of low. Pulse rate was normal. Again, the above (mild dehydration) explains why it was normal. Its all there in the studies.

                But like I said, the most important factor in this equation is Floyd's weight was stable for 30 days! You cannot hide from that fact.

                You do not get to use an IV if you are mildly dehydrated. IT JUST DOES NOT ADD UP EXCEPT IN FLOYD AND HIS FANS MIND!!! They cannot explain!


                Since you do not believe me then you should check it out yourself. Go ask a different doctors and let me know if they would suggest giving you an IV if:

                - Your weight was 150 a month ago, 149 two weeks out and 148 the week before. The weight at the doctors office is 146 but then you also drank from a 1.5 litre bottle.

                Just use your imagination. Say that you
                You worked out or you urinated or just got diarrhea or vomited or intentionally lost that weight due to you wanted to make weight for a boxing fight.

                If its up to the doctor, not you and not Floyd, the doctor would tell you, 100 times out of 100, that you do not need an IV.


                .
                PROVIDE THE SOURCE THAT STATES FLOYD WAS SEVERELY DEHYDRATED.
                SEVERELY. SEVERELY THE ADJECTIVE.

                YEP SEVERELY DEHYDRATED. WHAT IS YOUR MOTHER****ING SOURCE.

                YES. ITS THE BASIS OF YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT. SHOW ME THE SOURCE. WHERE DID YOU HEAR FLOYD WAS SEVERELY DEHYDRATED. SEVERELY.
                I WANT TO KNOW. NOW.

                SEVERLEY DEHYDRATED.

                YOU ARE NOT FLOYDS DOCTOR. WHICH IS FINE. BUT SHOW ME YOUR SOURCE.
                WHO. WHO TOLD YOU THAT.

                I WANT YOU TO POST THE LINK TO THE SOURCE. I WANT FLOYD MAYWEATHER WAS SEVERLY DEHYDRATED.



                let's start there.

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                • Originally posted by Dosumpthin View Post
                  PROVIDE THE SOURCE THAT STATES FLOYD WAS SEVERELY DEHYDRATED.
                  SEVERELY. SEVERELY THE ADJECTIVE.

                  YEP SEVERELY DEHYDRATED. WHAT IS YOUR MOTHER****ING SOURCE.

                  YES. ITS THE BASIS OF YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT. SHOW ME THE SOURCE. WHERE DID YOU HEAR FLOYD WAS SEVERELY DEHYDRATED. SEVERELY.
                  I WANT TO KNOW. NOW.

                  SEVERLEY DEHYDRATED.

                  YOU ARE NOT FLOYDS DOCTOR. WHICH IS FINE. BUT SHOW ME YOUR SOURCE.
                  WHO. WHO TOLD YOU THAT.

                  I WANT YOU TO POST THE LINK TO THE SOURCE. I WANT FLOYD MAYWEATHER WAS SEVERLY DEHYDRATED.



                  let's start there.
                  Lol it's you guys who should justify why he was severely dehydrated not ADP02.

                  That's Floyd's reasoning why he needed IVS. The only way to take IVS under wada code is if you are severely dehydrated.

                  since your on froids side, you provide why he was severely dehydrated. Last time I checked there is still no reason why he was, and not a single physician will come out to clear the air on why Floyd was so sick he can't drink a bottle of pedialyte.

                  None, maybe you can find why he was severely dehydrated. We will wait.

                  Last edited by Spoon23; 03-11-2016, 01:38 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by Spoon23 View Post
                    Lol it's you guys who should justify why he was severely dehydrated not ADP02.

                    That's Floyd's reasoning why he needed IVS. The only way to take IVS under wada code is if you are severely dehydrated.

                    since your on froids side, you provide why he was severely dehydrated. Last time I checked there is still no reason why he was, and not a single physician will come out to clear the air on why Floyd was so sick he can't drink a bottle of pedialyte.

                    None, maybe you can find why he was severely dehydrated. We will wait.
                    Shut the **** up and post the link. Dont deflect. Post the link.

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                    • Originally posted by Dosumpthin View Post
                      Shut the **** up and post the link. Dont deflect. Post the link.
                      Lol you stfu and post your link.

                      We don't have to dumbass. It's Froid's side who said he was severely dehydrated. Prove that he is.

                      Now don't deflect post the link.

                      If you have any ounce of common sense. That's the only reason he can take IVS under wada guidelines. Now find that reason why he was so dehydrated he can't drink orally. Go fetch!

                      Last edited by Spoon23; 03-11-2016, 01:42 AM.

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