who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[ADP02]

Only instance I mentioned conte is to demonstrate how much of a joke Thomas article is. Nothing has changed here. Even the two separate statments logically contradict each other and can be applied to all boxers. Its ****** why you are using his quotes to support your argument. I don't give a **** what he has to say.

SO you are admitting that you used Conte's name. That is all I wanted to know.

Go check out who I responded to. This particular Floyd fan brought Conte up like 1000 times. Others have too. You too if you need too, as you admitted.

Either way, Conte is an expert in this field. He did say the truth. You just do not like the truth because it involves Floyd.

****ty isn't it. I'm just being consistent with your micro dosing theory. I don't have access to his medical records so how would I know? and we were both speculating to come up with different theories. I say diarrhea, which validifies the iv use according to WADA MOTHER****ING RULES . YOU SAY WADA USADA NSAC ARE ALL CORRUPT. I think mine, ironically is less ****ty than your theory.

Your Floyd friends stated that it was not possible for Floyd to have used PEDs and gave dumb examples such as Floyd passed all the other tests. So I gave several possibilities and gave names of people who have done what Floyd did and passed way more times than Floyd did. I also said that Floyd is the only one who knows which scenario he took.

NSAC: How can 2 athletes who both incorrectly filled out the pre-fight form get a different response from NSAC? Investigate Manny. Do not investigate Floyd.
USADA: Unless it was an emergency or Floyd was severely dehydrated Floyd should not have received an IV just before giving his urine sample. That is so fundamentally wrong in so many ways. This is why this rule was implemented then USADA says its OK? As Conte stated, USADA needs to be investigated.
Floyd: I already explained ....

But let's address the main issue. Its the type of idiot misunderstanding that not even Hauser predicted.

Why are you constantly saying "severely dehydrated" as if that is the ONLY medical condition applicable? This is the key point to my argument and you have yet to verify with any facts that it would be otherwise.

WADA prohibits iv use as a way to rehydrate after routine things like exercise or when cutting weight.
Their descision is supported by medical data that is heavily debatable. Which is fine. I agree that accepting widespread iv use creates a culture that is beneficial for those who do use it to mask to have an excuse for testing positive for the masking agents.

Therefore

WADA allows iv use under specific conditions which are a medical emergency or.....if you have a ****ing tue.
Yes it's that ****ing simple. Get it?

And retoactive tue in this case was APPROVED. Don't like it? Ask the tuec.

read what I highlighted in red in your post. Well, that is exactly why Floyd/Ellerbe wanted an IV but you are agreeing that WADA prohibits that for retroactive TUEs. Its just not an emergency type situation. WADA states that there are alternatives to getting an IV. So then why did Floyd use an IV? It just does NOT add up.



Why I mention "severely dehydrated"? Floyd said it was dehydration. Right? I said severely because if its anything less than that then Floyd should NOT have received an IV. So I was stating something that you already know. It was just mild case of dehydration, at most.

When I asked you to explain, I didn't ask you to come up with more excuses on why Floyd was dehydrated. They clearly indicated why. There is an interview. It was because of giving blood, urine and training. THAT's IT!!! We know why. I asked you to respond to my question with you knowing this information. That is, can you give us a reasonable explanation as to why Floyd should be allowed to get an IV when there are alternatives for mild dehydration?


Floyd: Some people take pedialyte (to rehydrate)

Ellerbe: It was just to rehydrate

Reporter: You usually are not struggling to make weight so why did you need to rehydrate?

Ellerbe: He wasn't struggling (to make weight)

Reporter: Then why?

Ellerbe: because a lot of times when you work (training) you become dehydrated. Its not that you are struggling to make weight.
Floyd: and I'm a lot older now.
Ellerbe: Yeah
Ellerbe: Its not just working out. He is working out, having to give blood, give urine. SO IT's IS NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY.


Floyd/Ellerbe explained it to you. Either they are lying or they are stating the truth. If they are stating the truth, then that is NOT a valid reason to be getting an IV.

Once again you and Hauser have made an assumption as to why Floyd was dehydrated without having the medical documents to support your theory.

Hauser posed it as a question. You took it as a fact. That's not how it works. Hauser asked for usada to release confidential medical records for a reason. You don't get it. I know.

No, I made no assumptions. We have both sides of the story. What Floyd and Ellerbe said and what we know that puts in question the need for an IV.

I'm trying really hard. You are correct iv use is banned. You can use it as a method depending the medical condition......That's why you get a tue.


Just screaming "its prohibited" over and over is ****** until you understand this simple concept.

We have both sides of the story. What Floyd and Ellerbe said and what we know that puts in question the need for an IV. I'm not screaming anything.

You are correct. But ******. The question is not was floyd severely dehydrated....but what was on the tue application that the mother****in the****utic use exemption COMITTEE aproved.

Stop speculating and contact wada.



Again you've reverted to ignoring the facts to support your theory. I don't need to go any further with this statement.

Medical condition: Floyd was mildly dehydrated. Why? According to Floyd/Ellerbe, Floyd gave blood, urine, training and felt dehydrated. Floyd wanted to get rehydrated but should not have by way of an IV just before giving a urine sample.

and

Floyd's weight was stable. Floyd cannot get an IV to rehydrate himself due to this fact. There are alternatives. You have not come back with a valid response as to how someone can get an IV if Floyd was just mildly dehydrated? How? and don't say we do not know this and that. Floyd/Ellerbe told YOU HOW!!!

And retoactive tue in this case was APPROVED. Don't like it? Ask the tuec.

The****utic Use Exemption Committee (or “TUEC”): The panel established by an Anti-Doping Organization to consider applications for TUEs.


The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization (NADO) in the United States

USADA established the committee and approved Floyd's TUE ....... Oh the transparency. Enough said. That makes the TUE approval legit, right?



.

[ADP02]

Look how many grammatical mistakes you have. You are talking about someone being dumb? Is English your first language? You claim to be a white American, don't you? Please tell me English is not your first language.

Stop owning yourself, and sop with the messages because they are incoherent.

grammatical mistakes? and Dump with his "adjectives"? Are you serious?

Spoon, you, Dump, myself and everyone here have made grammatical mistakes. Often its because we are typing fast. Either way, we are not here for that. and yes, there are people posting from everywhere in the world who may actually be bilingual, trilingual or know more languages but not perfectly. That's OK.

This is just another deflection. Carry on.

[Rath]

Pacquiao didn't start vada testing until 2013.

meanwhile.... foyd has never been VADA tested LOL

[Rath]

Yep so like i said, Pacquiao delayed testing for years. Then suddenly the excuses of being weak etc didn't matter anymore. His cycle was up he wanted the cash out pay day and ditched the juice.

first your stance was Pac rejected testing, was proven wrong.

now your stance was Pac delayed testing, again it will be proven proven wrong.retroactively LOL

Pac ask for cut off date Floyd rejected it. so what do you say?

[Rath]

But I thought you said memo can create design drugs that can not be detected? Am I wrong? No. I remember you explaining it in full detail couple pages back. When you claimed Floyd hired memo through ariza


So which one of your statements was the bull****?

design, designed, or designer choose which one is correct.

mr grammar police.

[Spoon23]

SO you are admitting that you used Conte's name. That is all I wanted to know.

Go check out who I responded to. This particular Floyd fan brought Conte up like 1000 times. Others have too. You too if you need too, as you admitted.

Either way, Conte is an expert in this field. He did say the truth. You just do not like the truth because it involves Floyd.





Your Floyd friends stated that it was not possible for Floyd to have used PEDs and gave dumb examples such as Floyd passed all the other tests. So I gave several possibilities and gave names of people who have done what Floyd did and passed way more times than Floyd did. I also said that Floyd is the only one who knows which scenario he took.

NSAC: How can 2 athletes who both incorrectly filled out the pre-fight form get a different response from NSAC? Investigate Manny. Do not investigate Floyd.
USADA: Unless it was an emergency or Floyd was severely dehydrated Floyd should not have received an IV just before giving his urine sample. That is so fundamentally wrong in so many ways. This is why this rule was implemented then USADA says its OK? As Conte stated, USADA needs to be investigated.
Floyd: I already explained ....




read what I highlighted in red in your post. Well, that is exactly why Floyd/Ellerbe wanted an IV but you are agreeing that WADA prohibits that for retroactive TUEs. Its just not an emergency type situation. WADA states that there are alternatives to getting an IV. So then why did Floyd use an IV? It just does NOT add up.



Why I mention "severely dehydrated"? Floyd said it was dehydration. Right? I said severely because if its anything less than that then Floyd should NOT have received an IV. So I was stating something that you already know. It was just mild case of dehydration, at most.

When I asked you to explain, I didn't ask you to come up with more excuses on why Floyd was dehydrated. They clearly indicated why. There is an interview. It was because of giving blood, urine and training. THAT's IT!!! We know why. I asked you to respond to my question with you knowing this information. That is, can you give us a reasonable explanation as to why Floyd should be allowed to get an IV when there are alternatives for mild dehydration?


Floyd: Some people take pedialyte (to rehydrate)

Ellerbe: It was just to rehydrate

Reporter: You usually are not struggling to make weight so why did you need to rehydrate?

Ellerbe: He wasn't struggling (to make weight)

Reporter: Then why?

Ellerbe: because a lot of times when you work (training) you become dehydrated. Its not that you are struggling to make weight.
Floyd: and I'm a lot older now.
Ellerbe: Yeah
Ellerbe: Its not just working out. He is working out, having to give blood, give urine. SO IT's IS NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY.


Floyd/Ellerbe explained it to you. Either they are lying or they are stating the truth. If they are stating the truth, then that is NOT a valid reason to be getting an IV.








No, I made no assumptions. We have both sides of the story. What Floyd and Ellerbe said and what we know that puts in question the need for an IV.






We have both sides of the story. What Floyd and Ellerbe said and what we know that puts in question the need for an IV. I'm not screaming anything.




Medical condition: Floyd was mildly dehydrated. Why? According to Floyd/Ellerbe, Floyd gave blood, urine, training and felt dehydrated. Floyd wanted to get rehydrated but should not have by way of an IV just before giving a urine sample.

and

Floyd's weight was stable. Floyd cannot get an IV to rehydrate himself due to this fact. There are alternatives. You have not come back with a valid response as to how someone can get an IV if Floyd was just mildly dehydrated? How? and don't say we do not know this and that. Floyd/Ellerbe told YOU HOW!!!





The****utic Use Exemption Committee (or “TUEC”): The panel established by an Anti-Doping Organization to consider applications for TUEs.


The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization (NADO) in the United States

USADA established the committee and approved Floyd's TUE ....... Oh the transparency. Enough said. That makes the TUE approval legit, right?



.

Dang! ADP02 went for the kill! It's over!

That's gonna leave a mark.

[Dosumpthin]

SO you are admitting that you used Conte's name. That is all I wanted to know.

Go check out who I responded to. This particular Floyd fan brought Conte up like 1000 times. Others have too. You too if you need too, as you admitted.

Either way, Conte is an expert in this field. He did say the truth. You just do not like the truth because it involves Floyd.

I mentioned conte the same way I always do.
He works for vada - who is in direct competition with USADA. And was convicted for his role in manufacturing peds because of USADA.

It was either irresponsible or intentionally done by Hauser. Either way it makes his statements about usada agenda driven and should be taken with a grain of salt. Beside what he said was ****** about 39 days. ****ing idiot.

Your Floyd friends stated that it was not possible for Floyd to have used PEDs and gave dumb examples such as Floyd passed all the other tests. So I gave several possibilities and gave names of people who have done what Floyd did and passed way more times than Floyd did. I also said that Floyd is the only one who knows which scenario he took.

I never said it's impossible. Anything is possible. Especially if you a discrediting facts like the results of drug testing. You chose fiction in which the possibilities are endless in place of hard facts.

NSAC: How can 2 athletes who both incorrectly filled out the pre-fight form get a different response from NSAC? Investigate Manny. Do not investigate Floyd.

What is NSAC going to investigate if their own rules do not specifically prohibit intravenous INFUSIONS?

Now Manny on the other would have not had a problem if he didn't use his UNDISCLOSED torn rotator cuff as an EXCUSE for his performance. So the fans reacted with lawsuits while the governing body reacted with an investigation.

USADA: Unless it was an emergency or Floyd was severely dehydrated Floyd should not have received an IV just before giving his urine sample. That is so fundamentally wrong in so many ways. This is why this rule was implemented then USADA says its OK? As Conte stated, USADA needs to be investigated.
Floyd: I already explained ....

And I already explained this is a false statement that you continually make.
1. Floyd provided a partial sample before the iv.
2. "Severly dehydrated" is not the only medical condition that could have warranted an iv.

You don't have access to the medical documents. Stop doing this please.

read what I highlighted in red in your post. Well, that is exactly why Floyd/Ellerbe wanted an IV but you are agreeing that WADA prohibits that for retroactive TUEs. Its just not an emergency type situation. WADA states that there are alternatives to getting an IV. So then why did Floyd use an IV? It just does NOT add up.

I don't expect them to accurately diagnosis Floyd medical condition. Its not adding up because you don't realize Floyd and Ellerbe are NOT physicians. You need to see the tue application to know why Floyd was ALLOWED to use the iv. Pretty simple.

Why I mention "severely dehydrated"? Floyd said it was dehydration. Right? I said severely because if its anything less than that then Floyd should NOT have received an IV. So I was stating something that you already know. It was just mild case of dehydration, at most.

This is not true. Severely dehydrated is ONE of the medical conditions listed along with nausea and diarrhea and more. I know why you keep saying it though. It fits you agenda but it's not a fact, it's fiction.

When I asked you to explain, I didn't ask you to come up with more excuses on why Floyd was dehydrated. They clearly indicated why. There is an interview. It was because of giving blood, urine and training. THAT's IT!!! We know why. I asked you to respond to my question with you knowing this information. That is, can you give us a reasonable explanation as to why Floyd should be allowed to get an IV when there are alternatives for mild dehydration?

I'm not "making up more excuses", its in wada code. I gave you a ONE scenario (diarrhea) that would be justifed under wada code. REMEMBER?

And once again you you think Floyd and Ellerbe self diagnosis matters. Nope, check the documents. It will have a diagnosis by a PHYSICIAN. NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU REFERENCE THAT VIDEO IT STILL WONT CHANGE THIS FACT.

Floyd: Some people take pedialyte (to rehydrate)

Ellerbe: It was just to rehydrate

Reporter: You usually are not struggling to make weight so why did you need to rehydrate?

Ellerbe: He wasn't struggling (to make weight)

Reporter: Then why?

Ellerbe: because a lot of times when you work (training) you become dehydrated. Its not that you are struggling to make weight.
Floyd: and I'm a lot older now.
Ellerbe: Yeah
Ellerbe: Its not just working out. He is working out, having to give blood, give urine. SO IT's IS NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY.


Floyd/Ellerbe explained it to you. Either they are lying or they are stating the truth. If they are stating the truth, then that is NOT a valid reason to be getting an IV.

They do not have the medical qualifications to give you anything but an opinion. So they spoke in general. So lying or truthfully speaking, they aren't physicians and not qualified to give you anything of substance.

The only thing that are capable of is observing and reporting SYMPTOMS of Floyds medical condition that causes dehydration. Like explaining fatigue or the color of urine.

Through my own personal experience I'd advise you to explain this simple concept to family members and loved ones.

No, I made no assumptions. We have both sides of the story. What Floyd and Ellerbe said and what we know that puts in question the need for an IV.


We have both sides of the story. What Floyd and Ellerbe said and what we know that puts in question the need for an IV. I'm not screaming anything.

I can almost guarantee you Leonard e
Ellerbes name is not anywhere listed on the tue application as a PHYSICIAN.

Medical condition: Floyd was mildly dehydrated. Why? According to Floyd/Ellerbe, Floyd gave blood, urine, training and felt dehydrated. Floyd wanted to get rehydrated but should not have by way of an IV just before giving a urine sample.

and

Floyd's weight was stable. Floyd cannot get an IV to rehydrate himself due to this fact. There are alternatives. You have not come back with a valid response as to how someone can get an IV if Floyd was just mildly dehydrated? How? and don't say we do not know this and that. Floyd/Ellerbe told YOU HOW!!!

Mildly or severely (are the adjectives here) dehydrated. All we know is Floyd was dehydrated.


I can not give a valid response unless you want me to speculate. You, Thomas Hauser and i, need to have access to Floyd's medical condition.

And again you're ignoring the fact he gave a partial sample prior to using the iv.

The****utic Use Exemption Committee (or “TUEC”): The panel established by an Anti-Doping Organization to consider applications for TUEs.


The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is the national anti-doping organization (NADO) in the United States

USADA established the committee and approved Floyd's TUE ....... Oh the transparency. Enough said. That makes the TUE approval legit, right?

If it wasn't legit then you are saying WADA, who overseas USADA DESCISION TO APPROVE THE TUE is on Floyd's payroll as well. Wow that 150k stretches really far. That even takes VADA out of the equation as well being that wada overseas them as well.

I IMPLORE YOU TO CONTACT WADA. yes, that's who you need to convince to do an investigation. Maybe they don't know about the fight. Maybe they never heard of floyd, manny or the sport of boxing.

It is your duty to inform wada of the unjustified tue -and send them the link to Floyd and ellerbe.

[Zaroku]

I mentioned conte the same way I always do.
He works for vada - who is in direct competition with USADA. And was convicted for his role in manufacturing peds because of USADA.

It was either irresponsible or intentionally done by Hauser. Either way it makes his statements about usada agenda driven and should be taken with a grain of salt. Beside what he said was ****** about 39 days. ****ing idiot.





I never said it's impossible. Anything is possible. Especially if you a discrediting facts like the results of drug testing. You chose fiction in which the possibilities are endless in place of hard facts.




What is NSAC going to investigate if their own rules do not specifically prohibit intravenous INFUSIONS?

Now Manny on the other would have not had a problem if he didn't use his UNDISCLOSED torn rotator cuff as an EXCUSE for his performance. So the fans reacted with lawsuits while the governing body reacted with an investigation.



And I already explained this is a false statement that you continually make.
1. Floyd provided a partial sample before the iv.
2. "Severly dehydrated" is not the only medical condition that could have warranted an iv.

You don't have access to the medical documents. Stop doing this please.






I don't expect them to accurately diagnosis Floyd medical condition. Its not adding up because you don't realize Floyd and Ellerbe are NOT physicians. You need to see the tue application to know why Floyd was ALLOWED to use the iv. Pretty simple.




This is not true. Severely dehydrated is ONE of the medical conditions listed along with nausea and diarrhea and more. I know why you keep saying it though. It fits you agenda but it's not a fact, it's fiction.


I'm not "making up more excuses", its in wada code. I gave you a ONE scenario (diarrhea) that would be justifed under wada code. REMEMBER?

And once again you you think Floyd and Ellerbe self diagnosis matters. Nope, check the documents. It will have a diagnosis by a PHYSICIAN. NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU REFERENCE THAT VIDEO IT STILL WONT CHANGE THIS FACT.




They do not have the medical qualifications to give you anything but an opinion. So they spoke in general. So lying or truthfully speaking, they aren't physicians and not qualified to give you anything of substance.

The only thing that are capable of is observing and reporting SYMPTOMS of Floyds medical condition that causes dehydration. Like explaining fatigue or the color of urine.

Through my own personal experience I'd advise you to explain this simple concept to family members and loved ones.










I can almost guarantee you Leonard e
Ellerbes name is not anywhere listed on the tue application as a PHYSICIAN.



Mildly or severely (are the adjectives here) dehydrated. All we know is Floyd was dehydrated.


I can not give a valid response unless you want me to speculate. You, Thomas Hauser and i, need to have access to Floyd's medical condition.

And again you're ignoring the fact he gave a partial sample prior to using the iv.







If it wasn't legit then you are saying WADA, who overseas USADA DESCISION TO APPROVE THE TUE is on Floyd's payroll as well. Wow that 150k stretches really far. That even takes VADA out of the equation as well being that wada overseas them as well.

I IMPLORE YOU TO CONTACT WADA. yes, that's who you need to convince to do an investigation. Maybe they don't know about the fight. Maybe they never heard of floyd, manny or the sport of boxing.

It is your duty to inform wada of the unjustified tue -and send them the link to Floyd and ellerbe.

WADA, Russia may be banned from competing in Olympics. Yet, USADA signed off... Or stayed silent and granted a TUE to Floyd.

These guys, it is their duty to contact WADA, and protest that USADA or some ****er granted a TUE!!

https://www.rt.com/sport/334980-wada-russia-rio-games/

This crap is getting beyond, way beyond ******..

We got Pact@rds and Floyd suckers! But this crap is beyond old.

Russia may not be able to field a track & field team, because of WADA. WADA overseas USADA..... Connect the dots yourself.

Move the **** on. Volunteer, take care of your kids.... Or make some... Kids

Makes me sick..

Join Alexkid in measuring **** globally!

[Dosumpthin]

grammatical mistakes? and Dump with his "adjectives"? Are you serious?

Spoon, you, Dump, myself and everyone here have made grammatical mistakes. Often its because we are typing fast. Either way, we are not here for that. and yes, there are people posting from everywhere in the world who may actually be bilingual, trilingual or know more languages but not perfectly. That's OK.

This is just another deflection. Carry on.

I'll admit I have typos all the time. Auto spell check has a mind of its own.


But spelling is not a big issue of we can get the gist of your statement.


Its the lack of understanding when it comes to the meaning of words and how adjectives can change them completely.


What I intially thought Rath was ****** and couldn't understand simple logic I realized he Doesn't completely understand adjectives.
I realized English may be his second language.

So I retracted my comments of him being ****** and suggested he research adjectives in order to have a meaningful debate.

[GTTofAK]

“If you look at Daniel [Cormier’s] two ratios, they were .42 and .47; that’s about an eight percent deviation. If you look at the numbers for Jon Jones, his was basically an 80 percent deviation. His is su****ious and Daniel Cormier’s is not. It’s not just that he’s got very low [testosterone] levels, much lower than Daniel. Daniel’s are normal, his are extremely low.”
Read more at http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Vic...374uEiwvEvL.99

From your very same article.

Cormier’s T/E ratios were 0.40:1 and 0.48:1, while his testosterone levels were 50 ng/mL and 70 ng/mL.

“These are highly su****ious for Jon Jones, in my opinion,” Conte said. “This is the reason that sophisticated anti-doping officials do target testing. So based on what we see here, my opinion is Jon Jones should be on a very short leash and should be random tested here until they sort out why he has these anomalies.”

That Jones’ levels were as low as they were should raise a red flag, according to Conte, because the use of performance enhancing drugs could be a potential culprit.

“The question is what was suppressing his testosterone production for that period of time. Something caused it to go down, and I do not believe it was overtraining,” Conte said. “Exogenous testosterone and other steroids in a period of time, depending on dosage and method of administration, can completely shut your testosterone and epitestosterone levels in urine to 0....The levels being low there can be many explanations. [People say], ‘Well maybe it’s because he was taking *******.’ There’s no solid science out there that shows ******* lowers testosterone.

What did I say about results like that?

You are either masking with epitestosterone or your natural production has been suppressed because you just came off a cycle and haven't dont proper post cycle therapy to restart your natural production.

There is a problem with PTC when it comes to sports. The two main drugs for restarting your system are HCG and clomid are banned and both are easily detectable.



This guy does not have low testosterone.

So much for your T/E ratio below 1 logic.

So much for your reading comprehension.