who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Robbie Barrett]

while he was delaying his testing for years he was being tested by VADA which floyd rejected.

genius floyd fans logic LOL

Pacquiao didn't start vada testing until 2013.

[Spoon23]

Pacquiao didn't start vada testing until 2013.

Pacquao didn't start Olympic style Froid testing until 2015.

[Robbie Barrett]

Pacquao didn't start Olympic style Froid testing until 2015.

Yep so like i said, Pacquiao delayed testing for years. Then suddenly the excuses of being weak etc didn't matter anymore. His cycle was up he wanted the cash out pay day and ditched the juice.

[Dosumpthin]

You Floyd fans are bringing up Conte and then when the sh$t comes in your direction you start to cry. So if Conte says something about Manny, you are OK with that but when it concerns Floyd, lets not have an expert question what happened. Got it.

Only instance I mentioned conte is to demonstrate how much of a joke Thomas article is. Nothing has changed here. Even the two separate statments logically contradict each other and can be applied to all boxers. Its ****** why you are using his quotes to support your argument. I don't give a **** what he has to say.

Diarrhea? What a joke. You do not even know what you are talking about.

****ty isn't it. I'm just being consistent with your micro dosing theory. I don't have access to his medical records so how would I know? and we were both speculating to come up with different theories. I say diarrhea, which validifies the iv use according to WADA MOTHER****ING RULES . YOU SAY WADA USADA NSAC ARE ALL CORRUPT. I think mine, ironically is less ****ty than your theory.

But let's address the main issue. Its the type of idiot misunderstanding that not even Hauser predicted.

First of all, Floyd/Ellerbe already said why Floyd was dehydrated. So don't twist or add. Just explain how with what Floyd said, Floyd can be severely dehydrated.

Why are you constantly saying "severely dehydrated" as if that is the ONLY medical condition applicable? This is the key point to my argument and you have yet to verify with any facts that it would be otherwise.

WADA prohibits iv use as a way to rehydrate after routine things like exercise or when cutting weight. Their descision is supported by medical data that is heavily debatable. Which is fine. I agree that accepting widespread iv use creates a culture that is beneficial for those who do use it to mask to have an excuse for testing positive for the masking agents.

Therefore

WADA allows iv use under specific conditions which are a medical emergency or.....if you have a ****ing tue.
Yes it's that ****ing simple. Get it?

And retoactive tue in this case was APPROVED. Don't like it? Ask the tuec.

You do not give an IV in this circumstance unless they lost more fluids than they took in. There is more. Only if the loss is a lot more than what your intake is. If that is not the case, no diarrhea, no anything is acceptable. Why? Well for one it is a prohibited method!!!

Once again you and Hauser have made an assumption as to why Floyd was dehydrated without having the medical documents to support your theory.

Hauser posed it as a question. You took it as a fact. That's not how it works. Hauser asked for usada to release confidential medical records for a reason. You don't get it. I know.

Secondly, there are alternatives. That is not what I say, that is what USADA and WADA have said! So are you saying that its different for Floyd?

I'm trying really hard. You are correct iv use is banned. You can use it as a method depending the medical condition......That's why you get a tue.


Just screaming "its prohibited" over and over is ****** until you understand this simple concept.

Floyd received a retroactive TUE.

They do not give those for just mildly rehydrating. Especially the way it happened!!! That is, its different when you need to rehydrate yourself after an iron man event and the tester is not asking you for a urine or blood sample. Where the athlete is severely dehydrated, I may add.

You are correct. But ******. The question is not was floyd severely dehydrated....but what was on the tue application that the mother****in the****utic use exemption COMITTEE aproved.

Stop speculating and contact wada.

In this case, Floyd was asked for a urine sample then Floyd delayed for 5+ hours and then used an IV. All that just before giving them a urine sample. That is ludicrous to even think that its OK!!!

You know Floyd provided a partial sample so I don't need to address this. But this is the scenario that helps your agenda so that's how you want it to go.

While its obvious why but for Floyd fans, its because doing that could mask PEDs that Floyd took. If that is the case, it makes the test useless. Why even bother collecting samples if they can use an IV????

Again you've reverted to ignoring the facts to support your theory. I don't need to go any further with this statement.

GOT IT? I DOUBT IT!!!

[Dosumpthin]

I've already explained it to you.

The standard testosterone test that you take, the same one I took when I was in college, tests two things.

#1 Total free testosterone and epitestosterone below 200ng/ml

#2 T/E ratio below 4:1

Then beyond the standard test there is the CIR test. That checks to see if teh testosterone was synthesized from cholesterol which is how your body does it, or if it was synthesized from phytosterol which is how most pharmaceutical testosterone is synthesized because its a cheaper process.

So to beat the full spectrum of tests you have to do 3 things.

#1 Take exogenous epitestosterone to drop your T/E ratio below 4:1.

Evidence that Froid did this, multiple T/E ratio tests well below 1.

#2 Take a saline IV before giving urine or blood to lower the free test and epitest below 200ng/ml.

Evidence that Froid did this, well **** he admitted to doing this.

#3 Make sure that the testosterone you are taking synthesized from cholesterol and not phystosterol in order to pass the CIR test.

Evidence that Froid did this, steroid guru and chemist Memo Heradia working with Froids trainer Alex Ariza.

If you do these 3 simple things you will never test positive and there is evidence that Froid did every one.

But I thought you said memo can create design drugs that can not be detected? Am I wrong? No. I remember you explaining it in full detail couple pages back. When you claimed Floyd hired memo through ariza


So which one of your statements was the bull****?

[GTTofAK]

But I thought you said memo can create design drugs that can not be detected? Am I wrong? No. I remember you explaining it in full detail couple pages back. When you claimed Floyd hired memo through ariza

No you are just ****** and lack reading comprehension. I said the same thing then that I'm saying now. I said it cant be detected by CIR as synthetic. That doesn't mean that you still wont get popped for having testosterone above the limit.

[Spoon23]

No you are just ****** and lack reading comprehension. I said the same thing then that I'm saying now. I said it cant be detected by CIR as synthetic. That doesn't mean that you still wont get popped for having testosterone above the limit.

Dude, Dosomthin and Travestyny are one in the same person. They both lack comprehension, and they both love Floyd's divk. So what im trying to say to you is that you are actually talking to a wall. Good luck.

[travestyny]

So to beat the full spectrum of tests you have to do 3 things.

#1 Take exogenous epitestosterone to drop your T/E ratio below 4:1.

Evidence that Froid did this, multiple T/E ratio tests well below 1.

“If you look at Daniel [Cormier’s] two ratios, they were .42 and .47; that’s about an eight percent deviation. If you look at the numbers for Jon Jones, his was basically an 80 percent deviation. His is su****ious and Daniel Cormier’s is not. It’s not just that he’s got very low [testosterone] levels, much lower than Daniel. Daniel’s are normal, his are extremely low.”
Read more at http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Vic...374uEiwvEvL.99

Dr. Christiane Ayotte, the head of the WADA-accredited laboratory in Montreal, saw no problem with Jones' T/E ratio.
"such T/E values are not at all abnormal"

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nevada-commission--jon-jones-tests-results-show-no-signs-of-doping-013131428.html

So much for your T/E ratio below 1 logic. Not to mention that Conte said CIR testing is needed to clear Jones, and when he was cleared by CIR, Conte refused to accept it.

#2 Take a saline IV before giving urine or blood to lower the free test and epitest below 200ng/ml.

Evidence that Froid did this, well **** he admitted to doing this.

No word on how he passed the tests on the next day when the mask effect would have worn off. Just speculation like "he would have taken another IV." Was he whisked away immediately after the fight and made to have the IV? He found time to do it and didn't bother to declare it like the documented IV? I'm seeing a lapse in logic. You tell me what happened since you must have been there. No word on how he passed the tests before the IV either. We call this : no proof.

#3 Make sure that the testosterone you are taking synthesized from cholesterol and not phystosterol in order to pass the CIR test.

Evidence that Froid did this, steroid guru and chemist Memo Heradia working with Froids trainer Alex Ariza.

If you do these 3 simple things you will never test positive and there is evidence that Froid did every one.

hahaha. Even you know this is a joke. You have no idea what "evidence" means, do you? That is simply not evidence. In fact, there is nothing to go on but the two of them having a conversation. Memo denies working with Floyd and you simply say "what is he supposed to say? Of course he is lying because....it doesn't fit my agenda."

Give it up. It's over.

[travestyny]

Originally Posted by Rath View Post
delaying the tester

the only known athlete as far as i know who used TUE, one was anti dated the other was retroactive.

both never tested positive.

both bullied people who exposed them with lawsuits

yup they were only similar witthe the IV use

He gave a partial urine sample before the IV. Try again.

Oh, you are right about this one. They both passed the tests. However, you fail to mention that one had USADA going after them hard with witness testimony, 1000 pages of documents, and proof from tests.

Yep, left that out.

MY POST IN BOLD BLACK

YOUR REPLY IN BOLD RED

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

are you going to admit now both mistake no.1

and mistake no.2?

or i will be kicking zombies?
_____

Obviously what I said is in reference to the IV situation. It didn't fit your agenda because you had to add your own statement to my quotation and pretend it was mine to fit your agenda. So now we have a third condition for us to have continued conversation:

1. Apologize for being a b*tch and trying to plant evidence into my post.

2. Repent for your foolishness in trumpeting the red corner/ blue corner conspiracy theory

3. Repent for your foolishness in not being able to understand USADA's statement about random drug testing.


When you can do these things, I'll gladly continue to kick your corpse around these threads. If not....well I'm sorry. I don't have time for a mentally ******ed poster who is also proven to be dishonest b*tch.

Cheers

[Spoon23]

Yep so like i said, Pacquiao delayed testing for years. Then suddenly the excuses of being weak etc didn't matter anymore. His cycle was up he wanted the cash out pay day and ditched the juice.

You must be referring to Froid. The guy who had to fake retire from the sport to load up on peds. Everyone knows, the powerful peds you need to cycle the whole year round. The more time you use it the more time you can get amped.

Still with all that fake retirement to cycle his peds. He still got caught with low TE ratios. Low testosterone level only found with very sick or old people.

Injecting IVS close to the fight when his weight was on target a month before the fight.

Must be this masking agents fuvking up the readings.

Here's a pick of a so called dehydrated man a day before he was dehydrated.

No flexing needed at a tender age of 40 for Floyd.. Looks so sick and dehydrated. So naturally sick looking he doesn't even need to flex to look ripped lol