who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[GTTofAK]

Im not "ignoring" the facts

Yes you are and you are supplanting facts with statements. You confuse statements by interested parties as fact.

The dco officer was present.

What is his name? Where is his statement? I know that there a was a DCO involved but we aint heard **** from him. Most likely he is no longer with USADA and has a nice fat severance check along with an NDA. As that is how these things are handled.

A partial sample was given prior to adminstration of the iv.

Where is the proof of this?

The tue application has confidential medical details such as physician diagnosis.

All tested athletes sign a HIPA waiver. Drug testing would not be possible without a HIPA waiver.

Nsac has no say in this particular matter because they do not specifically ban intravenous infusions.

Yes their rules do. They just say, again a statement not a fact, they dont for Froid and say they do for the UFC. Only the NSAC would be so corrupt as to take opposite positions on the same issue for different promoters.

These are facts as well.

Actually no they are not. Statements are not facts. They could be lies. USADA made the statement that they told the NYSAC on the 17th. NYSAC said that is bull****.

[ADP02]

Manny's the biggest cheat. afraid of needles, weakened by blood...

seriously. the amount of doping scandals ever recorded....Pac isn't / wasn't the only Athlete caught on roids to act soft in character or rather no personality. the PED mess doesn't exempt ''passive angel'' characters and suspensions of disbelief from casual fans

Manny was concerned that giving blood would have affected his training and fight. Example, DCO shows up, Manny gives blood then needs to train. For Manny it was a concern. So I believe you are saying that its a lie?

Also remember this factor. At one point, Floyd and company accused Manny of PEDs. So Manny who was already concerned about giving blood would affect him and at the time hotter than Floyd who just came back from retirement, felt no need to bend over backwards for Floyd's rules.


Now fast forward to May 1, 2015.
Floyd's excuse was giving blood 10 days before the fight. If you are saying that Manny being hesitant was enough for you, how about what Floyd said?

Since you are calling Manny a liar, then Floyd is certainly a liar and a cheat. since he lied and used an IV. Right?

[travestyny]

Okay you got me.

This is all I got from your ramble. I could continue making you look like an idiot but after doing so 3 times, there really is no point.

I will say this. Perhaps before responding to someone, particularly someone who wasn't even writing to you, maybe you should leave out all the "you're an idiot, you're a moron" talk. You know....just reflects poorly on you, particularly when you are proven to be an idiot and a moron yourself repeatedly.

Cheers, homie.

[GTTofAK]

This is all I got from your ramble.

Well that is just because you are ******. If you cant understand how testing for easily detectable metabolites in testosterone like AAS such as d-bol and testing for TRT are different kinds of testing then you are simply ******. Your point still is bull**** because your "study" is in no way a control for clean athletes. There are literally dozens of reports about this study reviewed by experts that come to the conclusion that the league is full of dopers based on the data.

[travestyny]

Well that is just because you are ******. If you cant understand how testing for easily detectable metabolites in testosterone like AAS such as d-bol and testing for TRT are different kinds of testing then you are simply ******. Your point still is bull**** because your "study" is in no way a control for clean athletes. There are literally dozens of reports about this study reviewed by experts that come to the conclusion that the league is full of dopers based on the data.

Dude, do I have to show you the myriad of ways I already made you eat your words?

Do I have to give you another asswhoopin in the process? Remember, you already admit you were wrong. This was after I told you that you were wrong the first damn time. This is your 4th attempt to save face. Give up already, you clown a$$ geek. You've already proven you have no idea what you are talking about and all of your posts are here for everyone to see you are a joke.

Furthermore, according to your own damn logic, because I have proven, AND YOU ACCEPT, that you were wrong, everything else you say is moot. You even sonned your own damn self. Now go play in traffic.

[Lester Tutor]

Manny was concerned that giving blood would have affected his training and fight. Example, DCO shows up, Manny gives blood then needs to train. For Manny it was a concern. So I believe you are saying that its a lie?

Also remember this factor. At one point, Floyd and company accused Manny of PEDs. So Manny who was already concerned about giving blood would affect him and at the time hotter than Floyd who just came back from retirement, felt no need to bend over backwards for Floyd's rules.


Now fast forward to May 1, 2015.
Floyd's excuse was giving blood 10 days before the fight. If you are saying that Manny being hesitant was enough for you, how about what Floyd said?

Since you are calling Manny a liar, then Floyd is certainly a liar and a cheat. since he lied and used an IV. Right?

I know you're feeling the heat! What's surprising are all the inconsistencies from Top Rank (yes that includes anything coming out of Pac or Roach's mouth), articles, contradictions... Top Rank been SUSPECT for the longest. The fact that Floyd, and however Arum convinced a court of libel, wouldn't matter. I'm sure Haymon even approved for what Floyd said because HE said it and they could easily pay a fee. Still makes Pac suspect. We don't even need to review Pac's history and excuses and SUSPECT power moving up, let alone that the general world and sports acknowledges PEDS in general.

So again, read the question from the thread title? It's day and night. As if Usain Bolt told the world he was scared of needles or said any blood giving would deter his victories. cmon...

[GTTofAK]

Dude, do I have to show you the myriad of ways I already made you eat your words?

Again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYGxWGduCCQ

Furthermore, according to your own damn logic, because I have proven, AND YOU ACCEPT, that you were wrong, everything else you say is moot. You even sonned your own damn self. Now go play in traffic.

As I said it doesn't matter. They weren't testing for testosterone so the test is not a control. You are simply too ****** to understand the issue. You posted this study as what is "normal". However they were not testing for testosterone so and there are literally dozens of reports looking at this study that concluded there is a major problem in the league with testosterone doping. So you cant point to this study as "normal".

[Zaroku]

PAC with PEDS could save the world.

PAC with ROIDS =. Afraid of Needles and Loss of Blood

PAC-ROID lost his MOJO

[travestyny]

Again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYGxWGduCCQ

As I said it doesn't matter. They weren't testing for testosterone so the test is not a control. You are simply too ****** to understand the issue. You posted this study as what is "normal". However they were not testing for testosterone so and there are literally dozens of reports looking at this study that concluded there is a major problem in the league with testosterone doping. So you cant point to this study as "normal".

I'm not sure why you keep posting that youtube video. It wasn't funny nor meaningful the first time. If anyone is "bleeding," it's you who already admit that you were wrong.

Should I summarize? You said:

1. UEFA is not a tested league
Then, when proven WRONG, you said...
2. UEFA didn't start testing until 2014
then when proven WRONG, you said...
3. UEFA didn't test for anabolic steroids until 2014
then when proven WRONG, you said...
4. It doesn't matter because they aren't testing for testosterone.

Do you notice the trail of blood? You fail to realize the point of adding that study. What the study shows is that the T/E ratios were all over the place, between .02 and 8.6 in a TESTED LEAGUE (you got that now???) and these guys were not shown to be abusing steroids. It casts serious doubt on Hauser's T/E theory.

“Uefa has had a very thorough anti-doping programme for many years with over 2,000 tests a year and only two occurrence of positive tests, both for recreational drugs, which proves that doping in football is extremely rare."

What you are saying is that the league had nearly 1,400 players with T/E ratios similar or lower to Mayweather's that were taking something like "the cream"? Really?

Do you now understand the reason this study was mentioned?

However, it seems you want something more recent. Ok. That's why the article mentioned this, ******:

"Furthermore, in January of this year, Jon Jones and Daniel Cormier met at UFC 182. The results of the drug tests carried out by the NSAC in the lead up to this fight make interesting reading. Jones posted three T/E ratios; 0.35, 0.29 and 0.19. Cormier posted T/E ratios of 0.4 and 0.48. If Mayweather’s results are “abnormally low,” I’m not sure what Hauser would call these far, far lower results."

By the way, both guys were cleared by negative results of their drug tests.

Yea, um, I think that whole "abnormal" T/E ratio = definitively cheating has gone out the window.

Now does your slow a$$ understand? Stop bothering me, kid. I have better things to do than to teach you reading comprehension.

[Real King Kong]

You are the one arguing that his is part of a "new testing policy". Onus probandi, the burden of proof is on he who makes the argument. If you believe that this is a new rule it should be easy enough to prove it.

I was talking about the new testing rules for the ufc, where ivs weren't banned until Oct 1st. I was just asking whether or not you know if the rules you were citing were in the usada testing policy for boxing at the time of the may vs pac fight. It's a fair question, since you are the one using it in your argument.