who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Lester Tutor]

WRONG!
I know someone who faints and no its not due to the site of blood but because he lost blood.
!

you know someone who faints? and? How many fights has Pac been in where he was cut and lost more than a teaspoon of blood?

Oh I get it, ''I lost because I lost blood during Round 7, and because I didn't have my gloves.'' - Pacquiao

[ADP02]

Yeah, right. You can't even be honest about what you said.

Dude, I guess in your mind you will die trying to discredit Floyd defeating Manny rather than give him credit. Is what it is.

Lance Armstrong defeated other cyclists too. You still want him to get credit?

Ben Johnson defeated other sprinters. You still want him to get credit?


Floyd Mayweather weight was stable for 30 days. That is a fact.
Floyd's weight fluctuation was negligible. You do not give an IV if the athlete is at most mildly dehydrated.

Floyd Mayweather used a banned method. That is a fact.


Taking into consideration the above facts and more, you do not need a degree on this subject to know that Floyd intentionally lied and therefore violated WADA rules.

[ADP02]

you know someone who faints? and? How many fights has Pac been in where he was cut and lost more than a teaspoon of blood?

Oh I get it, ''I lost because I lost blood during Round 7, and because I didn't have my gloves.'' - Pacquiao

Well, you deflected again.

Hmmm. I believe I said that everyone is different. Right? Manny felt weak in the Morales 1 fight. He said it BEFORE the PEDs topic came up. Right?


YOU said, concerns on giving blood is not a good excuse to not fight, right? So Manny must be on PEDS, right? Floyd used it as an excuse as well, so logic has it that you think Floyd is on PEDs too, right!

[Lester Tutor]

Well, you deflected again.

Hmmm. I believe I said that everyone is different. Right? Manny felt weak in the Morales 1 fight. He said it BEFORE the PEDs topic came up. Right?


YOU said, concerns on giving blood is not a good excuse to not fight, right? So Manny must be on PEDS, right? Floyd used it as an excuse as well, so logic has it that you think Floyd is on PEDs too, right!

Dude, Pacquiao said he lost to Morales due to gloves post ring interview and all dialogue concocted by HBO. There's no way Merchant just breezes from point to point with out pre planned questions and training to dumb Pac.

Then Pacroid changes his tune about blood right...weak?

This is classic Top Rank bullshlt of excuses years on end. In that Morales vs Pac 1 bout we go from gloves, head butts, power... yeah man. ''Floyd didn't stay in one place.''

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epux-YL_rwA&t=4m29s

HBO and Boxing have been a joke for years, they fabricate productions which probably inspired the essence of scripted reality shows.

AND AGAIN, you see ladies and gentlemen, these clowns on NSB avoid what I said about Conte, even though it was these own posters bringing up Conte not even knowing things bite back just to debate endless loops for attention. The only thing that needs bumping around here is texting of ''#48!''

[travestyny]

And? I admitted that in their original press release they made it sound like they were not testing prior to 2014. Now it does look like they did urine test for easily detectable synthetic steroids like d-bol but were not checking for TRT prior to 2014.

They didn't make it sound like anything. You are simply an idiot.

Hardly a trail of blood. I admit I was wrong that they didn't' test for AAS at all prior to 2014 but its immaterial to the point because they were still not testing for TRT.

If it was so immaterial, why were you arguing about it and digging your grave, fool? And aren't you tired of being wrong yet?

See the problem here is you are ******. You dont understand that there is a difference between testosterone and d-bol. D-bol and other such synthetic steroids, once identified, are easily detected in urine because they leave metabolites in the urine. Testosterone however is harder to detect because testosterone is supposed to be in your body as opposed to a d-bol metabolite which is not.

Did you even read my last post? Come on man, reading comprehension. Use it. I don't have time to walk you through the ABC's right now.

The study results make it rather clear that since the UAEF was not testing for testosterone that athletes were using it.

hahahahahaa. You are a fool. You should take some logic classes. The study only proved that additional steps like the ABP should be used. You skimmed over the part about their anti-doping program that they have had for years that gave over 2000 tests a year. But according to you, they were all cheating. Ok. Let's keep going...

Yes you tried to claim it as a control of what are normal testosterone levels and T/E ratios. But since the leage was not testing for TRT it is anything but. A quick google search of 'UEFA study testosterone' yields dozens of objective analysis concluding that the UEFA has a major doping problem based on the study results.

And what about the other tests that were testing for it? What did you have to say about that? Oh yea, that's right, it didn't fit your agenda. You said the UEFA can't be used because it doesn't test for TRT. Let's continue...

Well it is a sign of either suppression of natural testosterone production after concluding a cycle of AAS and or taking exogenous epitestosterone to lower the T/E ratio below the positive threshold.

Whoa! Your problem with the UEFA bit was that they weren't testing for the right stuff. Now we have example of guys with abnormal T/E who were tested for the right stuff, and what do you say? hahahaha. CLOWNNNNNN! SO HOW DO YOU SPIN IT?

And those tests can be beaten. That is what the whole point of taking exogenous epitestosterone.

HAHAHAHA. GREAT JOB! Your logic: The problem with the UEFA example was they weren't testing for the right stuff. If they were testing for the right stuff, I'd still throw it out. BINGO. We have an idiot.

More logic....The tests can be beaten, so they must have been beaten. Go back to high school and take a logic class.

No. It is simply proof that other athletes beat the test the same way. Its no secret how to beat a T/E test. You take epitestosterone to drop the T/E ratio.

About Jones test, here is the head of an accredited WADA laboratory in Montreal. Enjoy!

Dr. Christiane Ayotte, the head of the WADA-accredited laboratory in Montreal, saw no problem with Jones' T/E ratio.
"One way to manipulate a T/E ratio downward would be to take epitestosterone, but Ayotte said that would be easily detected in a screening.

I am sorry, but such T/E values are not at all abnormal," she said. " … The administration of epitestosterone is easily detected. It does not give a small increase that looks natural, but a huge peak that is very difficult to control. I have seen only one case of attempted masking with epitestosterone and it was readily detected.

"Epitestosterone is not metabolized rapidly and stays high. An epitestosterone urine sample does not look like the ones you sent me."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nevada-...013131428.html

The big problem here is you are ****** and don't know what the **** you are talking about.

Looks like once again, you've been proven to be the ****** one.


Wow. You are pathetic. Let's get this straight. Just because you are a test tube baby doesn't mean you have a science degree.

I'll make this very simple, idiot. If, as you insinuate, that all you need to prove someone is cheating is for them to have abnormal T/E ratio, then why isn't that the only standard for a negative test?

I'll wait.

Logic. Use it!
Precedence: Athletes tested in the past for PED use with "abnormal" T/E ratio have passed drug tests.

Logical conclusion 1: "Abnormal" T/E ratio isn't enough to prove someone has used PEDs.

Your Logical conclusion: There must be (not maybe...must be) something wrong with the tests. There is no way someone with abnormal T/E ratio is clean because it doesn't fit my agenda.


Go away clown. Once again, class is dismissed. I'm really tired of sonning you. Seriously. Just stop.

[Dosumpthin]

They didn't make it sound like anything. You are simply an idiot.



If it was so immaterial, why were you arguing about it and digging your grave, fool? And aren't you tired of being wrong yet?



Did you even read my last post? Come on man, reading comprehension. Use it. I don't have time to walk you through the ABC's right now.



hahahahahaa. You are a fool. You should take some logic classes. The study only proved that additional steps like the ABP should be used. You skimmed over the part about their anti-doping program that they have had for years that gave over 2000 tests a year. But according to you, they were all cheating. Ok. Let's keep going...



And what about the other tests that were testing for it? What did you have to say about that? Oh yea, that's right, it didn't fit your agenda. You said the UEFA can't be used because it doesn't test for TRT. Let's continue...




Whoa! Your problem with the UEFA bit was that they weren't testing for the right stuff. Now we have example of guys with abnormal T/E who were tested for the right stuff, and what do you say? hahahaha. CLOWNNNNNN! SO HOW DO YOU SPIN IT?



HAHAHAHA. GREAT JOB! Your logic: The problem with the UEFA example was they weren't testing for the right stuff. If they were testing for the right stuff, I'd still throw it out. BINGO. We have an idiot.

More logic....The tests can be beaten, so they must have been beaten. Go back to high school and take a logic class.



About Jones test, here is the head of an accredited WADA laboratory in Montreal. Enjoy!

Dr. Christiane Ayotte, the head of the WADA-accredited laboratory in Montreal, saw no problem with Jones' T/E ratio.
"One way to manipulate a T/E ratio downward would be to take epitestosterone, but Ayotte said that would be easily detected in a screening.

I am sorry, but such T/E values are not at all abnormal," she said. " … The administration of epitestosterone is easily detected. It does not give a small increase that looks natural, but a huge peak that is very difficult to control. I have seen only one case of attempted masking with epitestosterone and it was readily detected.

"Epitestosterone is not metabolized rapidly and stays high. An epitestosterone urine sample does not look like the ones you sent me."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nevada-...013131428.html



Looks like once again, you've been proven to be the ****** one.


Wow. You are pathetic. Let's get this straight. Just because you are a test tube baby doesn't mean you have a science degree.

I'll make this very simple, idiot. If, as you insinuate, that all you need to prove someone is cheating is for them to have abnormal T/E ratio, then why isn't that the only standard for a negative test?

I'll wait.

Logic. Use it!
Precedence: Athletes tested in the past for PED use with "abnormal" T/E ratio have passed drug tests.

Logical conclusion 1: "Abnormal" T/E ratio isn't enough to prove someone has used PEDs.

Your Logical conclusion: There must be (not maybe...must be) something wrong with the tests. There is no way someone with abnormal T/E ratio is clean because it doesn't fit my agenda.


Go away clown. Once again, class is dismissed. I'm really tired of sonning you. Seriously. Just stop.

Wow. Just wow. This guy really knows his stuff. P implies q.


Too bad that idiot won't accept defeat. For example He told me VADA was testing boxers before usada and called me ****** when he said it.

And he does this frequently. Good to see you called him out on his bull**** multiple post and he was FORCED TO ADMIT HE IS A ****** DUMBASS AND WAS WRONG. JUST LIKE THAT IDIOT HAUSER.


Thanks for your contribution to this thread.

[travestyny]

Wow. Just wow. This guy really knows his stuff. P implies q.


Too bad that idiot won't accept defeat. For example He told me VADA was testing boxers before usada and called me ****** when he said it.

And he does this frequently. Good to see you called him out on his bull**** multiple post and he was FORCED TO ADMIT HE IS A ****** DUMBASS AND WAS WRONG. JUST LIKE THAT IDIOT HAUSER.


Thanks for your contribution to this thread.

Really at this point, we are just wasting our time. These guys know they have nothing, but they just can't give up because they are so hurt. It's outrageous.

Everything that had to be said has already been said. Let's hope they will just learn to move on already!

[wphiccup]

Out standing Bro!!

[Lester Tutor]

Really at this point, we are just wasting our time. These guys know they have nothing, but they just can't give up because they are so hurt. It's outrageous.

Everything that had to be said has already been said. Let's hope they will just learn to move on already!

What's more sad is actually hearing Steve Kim, Doug Fischer, and this paid out aspiring actor called Michael Montero aka Montero Boxing, a youtube channel most likely funded by the Undisputed Network, same dumb shıt, with that same channel responding to this other dork channel called Thunderdork Boxing... those guys probably do bukkakes groupies in Nevada paid by Floyd and they don't even thank him for it.

bunch of dorks, like Larry Merchant, and TMT influencing HBO to fire poor ole man in hopes to win Floyd back. lol. that's showbiz doe. TMT

[Spoon23]

Dang! Floyd still winning this poll by a mile.

The once champion of cleaning the sport is actually the biggest fraud PED cheater in boxing. Alright!