who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Zaroku]

This thread... In slow motion or real time is crap.

This dialog will keep going nowhere fast...

Floyd ruined lives.... Ployd/Floyd .... Why for you had IV and beat the manny???

In slow motion, without tight socks... PAC ko's the world, in one single round!!!!

Fanny Manny, Fanny Manny....

PAC is so powerful he KOed the LGBT world with just a few well placed blows.

Folded them all over with the greatest of ease.. Made them go back to hating themselves.... Now that is real power. PAC made them hate themselves... KO artist with words!!!!

Even Spoon23 needed days to recover..

[Zaroku]

Do you know what severely dehydrated means and that the evidence clearly points to Floyd not being severely dehydrated?

- Floyd's weight was stable for 30 days.
- They had his weight on day 30, 2 weeks, 1 week, just before the IV. relatively stable.
- Also Floyd's vital signs were better than normal. Optimal.
- Pre-fight form. No mention of severe dehydration.
- NSAC physician examination of Floyd - No significant signs of dehydration.
- Floyd explained why he was dehydrated and required an IV. Lies. Why would Floyd lie unless he has something to hide ....??? Even if you believe, an IV was not acceptable way to rehydrate according to USADA/WADA rules.

Its all there. You call this all speculation ?

All of the above are facts.

Why do you ignore all this? Explain.



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Post your opinion in my thread..

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=704458

[Zaroku]

My 2 cents in red:

How long ago was the fight..irrelevant! nsb members can discuss fights to their hearts content...even fights dating back to srr, ali, srl etc etc...eras... .
What will this thread achieve??? this is a forum; where people could exchange views on the sports they love...i do not think a thread starter has really to justify what his/her thread could achieve...is a thread supposed to have a declared target achievement to be allowed here in nsb?

It is Over!! Really!!!

What will come of it...

Gimme your opinion????

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=704458

[ADP02]

Post your opinion in my thread..

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=704458

I read it.

It may end up being just like in the IV thread.
- Floyd fans saying its all speculation.
- Manny fans saying there is enough evidence to investigate and more.
- A few saying, why is this thread still going on. Its time to shut this thread down! Mainly those who want the discussion stopped because they can't handle what was in that article.

[Lester Tutor]

I read it.

It may end up being just like in the IV thread.
- Floyd fans saying its all speculation.
- Manny fans saying there is enough evidence to investigate and more.
- A few saying, why is this thread still going on. Its time to shut this thread down! Mainly those who want the discussion stopped because they can't handle what was in that article.

Manny's the biggest cheat. afraid of needles, weakened by blood...

seriously. the amount of doping scandals ever recorded....Pac isn't / wasn't the only Athlete caught on roids to act soft in character or rather no personality. the PED mess doesn't exempt ''passive angel'' characters and suspensions of disbelief from casual fans

[Dosumpthin]

Do you know what severely dehydrated means and that the evidence clearly points to Floyd not being severely dehydrated?

- Floyd's weight was stable for 30 days.
- They had his weight on day 30, 2 weeks, 1 week, just before the IV. relatively stable.
- Also Floyd's vital signs were better than normal. Optimal.
- Pre-fight form. No mention of severe dehydration.
- NSAC physician examination of Floyd - No significant signs of dehydration.
- Floyd explained why he was dehydrated and required an IV. Lies. Why would Floyd lie unless he has something to hide ....??? Even if you believe, an IV was not acceptable way to rehydrate according to USADA/WADA rules.

Its all there. You call this all speculation ?

All of the above are facts.

Why do you ignore all this? Explain.



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Im not "ignoring" the facts, but I contextualize them in regards to more pertinent information. A concept you have not yet demonstrated.



The dco officer was present.

A partial sample was given prior to adminstration of the iv.

The tue application has confidential medical details such as physician diagnosis.

The tuec approved the tue.

There has been no review of the tue by wada.

Nsac has no say in this particular matter because they do not specifically ban intravenous infusions.

These are facts as well.


Given these additional facts, it makes your arguments about the severity of dehydration seem ,not only irrelevant ,but ****** as well.

You don't like the decision by usada, and ultimately WADA, to grant the tue. We get it. But your opinion doesn't matter because you do not have access to the application or the reasoning behind the tuec or wada review.

[Rath]

Manny's the biggest cheat. afraid of needles, weakened by blood...

seriously. the amount of doping scandals ever recorded....Pac isn't / wasn't the only Athlete caught on roids to act soft in character or rather no personality. the PED mess doesn't exempt ''passive angel'' characters and suspensions of disbelief from casual fans

]Manny's the biggest cheat. afraid of needles, weakened by blood...genius floyd fan made up story.

Pac is never afraid of needles, and he never said giving blood weakened him.

Arum and Koncz said Pac is afraid of needle not Pac, and Pac said giving blood too close to the fight weakened him. classic example of Sugar's delete and insert technique true story.

this has been cleared long time ago and many times over but genius floyd fans will spew this lied every single time they get the chance.

Floyd is the biggest cheater, afraid of VADA testing and giving blood and urine dehydrates him true and not made up story

[GTTofAK]

Lots of twisting and turning...and epic fail.

Okay you got me. The origional press release made it sound like they were implementing a stroid testing program on 2014. However, they did have a minor testing program that checked for easily detectable testosterone like steroids like D-bol which leave behind easily detectable metabolites in the urine. They did not however have a more complex testing protocol to catch TRT until 2014. So your original claim that their urine tests amount to a control group is still false. In fact the study itself brought up numerous questions about testosterone use amongst players because of the results.

"On February 2, 2012, U.S. federal prosecutors officially dropped their criminal investigation with no charges."

No **** they passed of the information to USADA. Seriously shut the **** up.

"The study does not accurately follow the Athlete Biological Passport (ABP) guidelines, and therefore its relevance to the ABP is not entirely clear."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada...ssport-report/

What do you expect WADA to say? 'Yeah our ABP is a joke?' You keep confusing hyperbolic statements with fact. In what way did the study not follow the guidelines? WADA does not say. WADA is being intentionally vague. That is a sign of deception. Maybe there are some differences but they are most likely insignificant which is why WADA is not being specific. Until WADA gives some specifics their claim is meaningless hyperbole .

“I don’t want to take any credit and I don’t want to be penalized for any result or any outcome that might happen, before or after the fight, when I’m not involved and I’m not working with Floyd,” Heredia said via Fighthype.com. “If he wanted to do it [work with me], it’s too late already. It [the fight] is already four weeks away. I’m not going to take a chance at that.”

- Heredia

Wow more hyperbole. What do you really expect Heredia to say? 'Yeah I'm cooking AAS for Froid?'

"There’s one significant correction in it that I accept. Prior to USADA’s September 17 statement, it was widely believed that its doping control officer went to Mayweather’s Las Vegas home to conduct an unannounced drug test and found evidence of an IV being administered to Mayweather. USADA maintains – and I will accept - that “Mr. Mayweather declared the infusion in advance to the USADA DCO.”"

More hyperbole, where is the actual statement from the DCO? Have we seen it yet? Nope just hyperbole from USADA with no supporting evidence.

"...just last month, a study on the steroid profile of 4,195 male football players in UEFA competition was published. The results showed T/E ratios varied between 0.02 and 8.6 with roughly one-third of players showing a T/E ratio less than or equal to 0.9. Mayweather’s T/E ratio was low, slightly below average but is it so low as to allow us to draw the conclusions Mr. Hauser is suggesting?"
http://behindthegloves.com/thomas-ha...yd-mayweather/

Again they were not testing for testosterone so the league is not a controlled sample. If anything the results show that many were doping.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...f-players.html

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/w...em-with-doping

http://iriefm.net/uefa-doping-studie...-testosterone/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-fears-6480400

http://www.reuters.com/article/dopin...11P0M620150919

There are litterally dozens of analysis of this study that all come to the same conclusion. There is mass testosterone doping in the UEFA. So you claim that the stuyd shows what is normal is absolute bull****.

"Pacquiao will no longer appeal case to NSAC"
http://www.minibalita.com/reader/320...l-case-to-NSAC

That is proof of what?

USADA Responds to Hauser
http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uplo...Tom-Hauser.pdf

Again only one statement that had a possibility to be verified. And it was false.

The reported date of when this conversation occurred is inaccurate. USADA informed NYSAC Chairwoman Melvina Lathan of the A sample positive, by phone, on October 17, 2012, the day prior to the publication of the Halestorm Sports story. The timing of this conversation is supported by public comments made by Richard Schaefer on October 18, 2012 (see http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&o...e&id=58332#ixz z29hgz0vCS and http://www.si.com/boxing/counter- punch/2012/10/19/morales-tests-positive-for-banned-substance- prior-to-bout-with-garcia?sct=hp_t2_a9&eref=sihp).

Too bad the NYSAC said bull****!

On August 10, 2015, Mr. Benitez advised in writing, “There is no indication in the Commission’s files that it was notified of this matter prior to October 18, 2012.”

The only statement in USADA's entire bull**** response that could be independently verified and it proved to be false. False in one false in all. USADA's entire response is worthless.

Do you still want more? You're done, son. I've embarrassed you continuously. Tuck your tail and never return.

How many times do we have to go through this. YOu keep hanging your hat on USADA's bull**** response. Where is USADA's evidence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYGxWGduCCQ

[GTTofAK]

There's no need to guess...it's laid out in their new testing policy. Now kindly go **** yourself f@ggot.

You are the one arguing that his is part of a "new testing policy". Onus probandi, the burden of proof is on he who makes the argument. If you believe that this is a new rule it should be easy enough to prove it.

[GTTofAK]

"On Tuesday night, USADA informed us that there were irregularities in a test from Erik Morales," Schaefer told Boxing Scene.

Actually not inconsistent with Hausers report you are just ******. The issue is when the NYSAC was informed about the two other failed tests.

On Thursday, Oct. 18, 2012, the website Halestorm Sports reported that Morales had tested positive for a banned substance. Thereafter, Golden Boy and USADA engaged in damage control.
Al Bello/Getty Images for Golden Boy Promotions
Above: Erik Morales after his 2012 fight against Danny Garcia

Dan Rafael of ESPN.com spoke with two sources and wrote, “The reason the fight has not been called off, according to one of the sources, is because Morales’ ‘A’ sample tested positive but the results of the ‘B’ sample test likely won’t be available until after the fight. ‘[USADA] said it could be a false positive,’ one of the sources with knowledge of the disclosure said.”

Richard Schaefer told Chris Mannix of SI.com, “USADA has now started the process. The process will play out. There is not going to be a rush to judgment. Morales is a legendary fighter. And really, nobody deserves a rush to judgment. You are innocent until proven guilty.”

Then, on Friday, one day before the scheduled fight, Keith Idec revealed on Boxing Scene that samples had been taken from Morales on at least three occasions. Final test results from the samples taken on Oct. 17 were not in yet. But both the “A” and “B” samples taken from Morales on Oct. 3 and Oct. 10 had tested positive for clenbuterol. In other words, Morales had tested positive for clenbuterol four times.