who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Lester Tutor]

''Manny, why won't you WADA style testing?'' - Brian Kenny ESPN interview circa 2010!

AUTHENTIC AUDIO OF CONTE WHISTLEBLOWING PAC...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKEQfjowW_Y&t=1m05s

[Lester Tutor]

[tangalog2200]

Again youve been misled by thomas hauser.
He did not settle because of "discoveries'.
You have to learn what an editorial is. Hauser carefully worded the entire article to create open ended speculation without taking responsibilty for what he implies.


Its a defamation lawsuit. Not floyd is on peds lawsuit. But ******s are going to be ****** and listen to anything your ****** leader tells you.









Q: What kind of privileges do the media enjoy?
A: For starters, the media enjoy rights of free speech guaranteed by the First ********* to the U.S. Constitution. Therefore, a newspaper that publishes an editorial opinion, or someone else's opinion, cannot be held liable for defaming you. In fact, nobody can be held liable for making a statement that the court deems to be an opinion. Similarly, nobody can be held liable for publishing a true statement about you. It's important to note that a newspaper (or other media outlet) does not have to be 100 percent accurate in what it says about you; the statement just has to be substantially true. Whether or not something is substantially true will depend on the circumstances, but courts have explained that the media must be able to justify the "gist" of what they say about a person. If they cannot, they may be held liable for defamation


I thought this was common knowledge. Well read that statement a second time, then go read thomas hausers article. In fact go read your local newspaper now that you are less ******.




They were on tape saying (speaking candidly amomgst friends) manny is on peds. They have no proof. Just like no one has proof against floyd. Doesnt matter if either is juiced up, what matters is liable and slander.

Floyd was not on trail for peds. Nothing was being "discovered". Lawyers are smart. Its standard to discredit someones character.
Thats what they attempted to do.


Thomas hauser has you all ****ed up.
Hauser said they didnt want to turn over the documents so they settled but it was revealed usada in fact did turn over what was required by law. So hauser wins because youre still ignorant about the whole case.







Yes.

An application for a TUE will only be considered for retroactive approval where:

a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or

b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or

c. It is agreed, by WADA and by the Anti-Doping Organization to whom the application for a retroactive TUE is or would be made, that fairness requires the grant of a retroactive TUE.

Now you have too.




This is pretty ****** of you. You and hauser should call usada and wada for a copy of the tue application because a doctors evaluation required. If they tell you "youre ******" then Subpoena their medical records. Let me know what the court tells you.


Me personally i dont give a **** if roger and floyd senior are his doctors. He passed the test. Manny was outboxed. Game over

let me quote you;

"Me personally i dont give a **** if roger and floyd senior are his doctors. He passed the test."

wow! how dense can you get!......the above statement is a summation of your very high degree of ******ity and idolatry for your tue oooops, sorry, tbe...

[Zaroku]

Great video... It's all in the Ariza Shakes...
Or injections... Manny ain't scared of needles... Only scared of being caught...

But his pack of Pact@rds will even kill themselves in solidarity...


I want to see

Granados vs Vargas. If it is possible???

[Zaroku]

let me quote you;

"Me personally i dont give a **** if roger and floyd senior are his doctors. He passed the test."

wow! how dense can you get!......the above statement is a summation of your very high degree of ******ity and idolatry for your tue oooops, sorry, tbe...

TBE= TUE + ruined lives.

He is not TBE, but is a better boxer than Marquez & Manny.

He lost to Castillo... But not to PAC..

Granados vs Vargas would be awesome... The pest kings fighting it out..

[GTTofAK]

Dude, I already destroyed you and you have the nerve to come back to this thread?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYGxWGduCCQ

Haven't heard from you in days

I have a life. I have to be a father, husband, coach, and have some time for myself you know.

Once again, what I stated was that USADA was going after Lance and I proved it.

First that is not true. Going after means taking some proactive measure. All USADA did was react to the LA prosecutor dropping an open and shut case in their lap. That is reactive not proactive.

Second, the implication in your first post was that the Armstrong case is evidence of USADA being above board. Since it was not USADA that went after Armstrong but the LA federal prosecutor your entire argument is bull****.

We actually know from Landis own testimony that the USA cycle team was getting tipped off about when the testing was going to occur. So much for USADA being above board.

Don't tell me you saw any response coming from me because it's obvious that you didn't.

Of course I saw your argument coming. You are ******. I knew you hadn't read the study so you hadn't seen the dates of sample collections. Since they had implemented testing after the collection of the samples you would be ****** enough to say that it was a tested league when it wasn't.

So now you try to say the UEFA began testing in 2014? Really? I find it heard to believe you have any degree at all if they never taught you to do any research. So yea, your multiple science degrees from the University of Hauser don't quite cut it.

Of course they had drug testing your moron. How else do you think they had urine samples going back to 2008. The subject of this conversation is testing for anabolic steroids. The subject is implicit. Stop with such ****** come backs.

Please stop doing this to yourself.

You must be a millennial. Only millennials are dumb enough to think that the arguments you have made are real.

Oh, Floyd Landis with his HS education was able to beat it. Does that mean Manny Pacquaio was able to beat it too? Who else would be able to beat it. Tell me more.

Dont really care this thread is about Froid.

First of all, when was Floyd Landis beating these tests? Do you realize what year we are in now? If you think that the testing has just stayed the same since he was relevant, you are mistaken. There have been various upgrades to their testing.

From 2013: "New EPO Test Could Help Stamp Out Microdosing."
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13...crodosing.aspx

And here is a french study from 2015 that showed hte microdosing is still effective at beaking the biological passport.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fren...ical-passport/

Analysis of the blood profiles of the eight athletes who took part in the experiment demonstrated that they would not have fallen foul of the biological passport's parameters. As France 2's report concluded, the experiment demonstrates that "a clean passport is not necessarily the passport of a clean athlete."

Obviously the testing hasn't come that far.

Yes, it is quite possible that some sophisticated cheaters can possibly beat the test. So what is your contention? Is it that everyone can possibly cheat? How does saying it is possible to beat it prove that Mayweather took PED's? Criticizing current drug testing protocols doesn't incriminate those who take the tests, clearly.

Anyone who is willing to spend the money can cheat. When you have one of the most well known steroid guru's in the world in your camp. That is a sign that you are cheating. When you get caught with an IV, borderline high test, and a low TE ratio that is definitive proof. We have gone well past the realm of reasonable doubt here. There is still not one shred of proof that Froid didn't cheat. USADA hasn't even provided a statement from the tester to confirm their claims. Doesn't' that strike you as odd?

In their entire response USADA provided only one claim that could be verified, when they contacted the NYSAC about Morales failed test. The rest of USADA's claim were unsupported hyperbole. On that one claim the NYSAC said USADA was lying and didn't' contact them until the 18th. False in one false in all. All you have is the word of a corrupt organization already caught in a lie.

[GTTofAK]

USADA didn't help then because they couldn't wait until after the IV that you accuse them of helping him to get.

Landis testified under oath that the US cycle team was getting tipped off by the testers so do not pretend that there is no possible corruption of testers.

[ADP02]

Well neither of us have acess to medical records so.....let's call it what it is. Speculation let's begin with shall we?
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Incorrect. Floyd and his team were asked that question of hydration. They responded and came back with 3 lies, I mean reasons. Neither Floyd nor Ellerbe came back and said dehydration was caused due to diarrhea.

Speculation? I didn't go there but since you did, my points were based on what we know. We already know why Floyd was dehydrated. So no need to speculate. YOU are the only one bringing up new reasons which as I pointed out, was not stated by Floyd nor Ellerbe. So that is more than speculation. Its incorrect!!!

You do not have a daily record of Floyd's weight for thirty days. Wanted to point that out. Even so, it doesn't matter.
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It doesn't matter? It matters a lot!!! We have what he weighed 30 days out, 2 weeks out, 1 week out and just before the IV was given to Floyd. See there is something called science that is in dispute here. So of course it matters!!!

Acute diarrhea can happen within hours and be brought on by an infection or undisclosed illness. I can speculate that the dco smelled a strong odor and observed diarrhea running down his leg to confirm Floyd's condition. Depending on the amount and the consistency, Floyd would have lost a significant amount of liquid and key nutrients that can only be replaced rapidly by use of iv. Thus creating the medical condition to justify the iv. The dco requested a sample prior. Floyd was ****ting so frequently he in turn was urinating more than usual as well. Combined with the loss of fluids and excessive urination, Floyd provided a partial sample.


For the same reason Manny used for not disclosing his shoulder injury, we can speculate Floyd may not have disclosed his ****ty medical condition to prevent Manny and his pact@rd army from using it to humiliate him for a psychological advantage. (This is a well know bob ayrum tactic.)

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More undisclosed conditions? Go check out the form. It needs to be made aware of. If it wasn't then that is too bad for Floyd just like it was too bad for Manny. Right?

While this is a desperate try, now you are deflecting by bringing up Manny.

"Contributed to" meaning that it wasn't the lone factor. The amount of contribution each factor played wouldn't been determined by a medical physician let alone Floyd himself. And I can speculate Floyd may have been insecure in stating he was ****ting before the fight.

Correct that its not one factor. BUT Floyd and Ellerbe mentioned the factors. Giving urine, giving blood and training. There was no mention that Floyd was not feeling well but nice try.


WRONG: There is something called science. All vitals, physical exam, NSAC doctor, and the most important factor, weight would have been taken into account. Floyd's weight was as stable as someone's weight can be. It's actually amazing when you compare with other boxers .... but nice try!

As expected. Diarrhea is a SYMPTOM. Allergies would and can definitely cause diarreha amongst other medical conditions. Obviously whatever it was, it had more of an impact than a torn rotator cuff, because allergies were listed on the form

Sorry but that is a stretch. Floyd put allergies because its an on-going chronic type condition. He would be putting that in all his pre-fight forms. At least he should be.

Again, Floyd/Ellerbe pointed out why he was severely dehydrated. Floyd didn't say it was because he ate something that had what he was allergic too.

Did he also use an epi-pen? Floyd didn't put that in his pre-fight form - epi-pen by way of injection . Man you really want to get Floyd in big trouble!!!

Nice spin but we both know he was under the supervision of the dco officer. Of course he didn't "run of" to the washroom.

Spin? You are bringing up diarrhea but nice try.

Have you ever had diarrhea? I'm sure you did. When its severe, one thing that is noticeable is that you lose weight. I had those.
I lost considerable amount of weight but I still did not require an IV.

Done. And you can not dispute my speculation. I'm just getting started. This is just one of the possibilities. As you only requested I provide just one.

Actually, I was able to and it was very easy to do so (look at my above points).

The biggest red flag is that Floyd's weight was stable. EVen if lets presume Floyd had diarrhea, if Floyd was severely dehydrated then that would mean serious losses in fluids and WEIGHT!!!! No significant weight loss was experienced!!! Plus, there is always an alternative to an IV ..... Sorry, try again!!!



Like I said, that was not your task. This was your task
You were not supposed to come up with new reasons for his hydration since FLoyd and Ellerbe already told us why (all lies) he was severely dehydrated. You were supposed to come up with a reasonable explanation for Floyd's excuses. the science behind how one can be severely dehydrated yet, as his critics have pointed out, the evidence does not support it.



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[The Big Dunn]

I just checked and Manny still lost.

[ADP02]

I just checked and Manny still lost.

I just checked ... The Big Dunn is still deflecting and still cannot explain how Floyd's weight was stable yet he required an IV.