who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Lester Tutor]

Basically all these threads come to one conclusion, the acknowledgement of PEDs in sports, and the sophistication athletes have done to beat PEDs yet mainly focusing on particular fighters and ignoring other fighters in the actual title even after the main corrupt such as Conte stating Pac is SUSPECT.

If there's no common ground for Objective reason then debating with bitter losers is pointless, and thus, Floyd Mayweather Jr. was the best Athlete to beat PEDs whereas all other athletes weren't good enough to beat other PED athletes because someone had more money as an advantage?! Pac apparently the second richest boxer went broke because of Floyd so he couldn't cheat better and looked the dumbest of all PED users?

Lol.

Dumbest thread all these posters admitting Pac ******?

#48!

Long live the most intelligent and skilled PED users that don't come off as losers....!!!!!!????

[Real King Kong]

Lance's biggest achievements happened when he won the Tour de France 7 times. Did you know that while Lance was said to be clean for all those years, others were getting caught?

USADA is located at the other side of the pond. So USADA was not involved. SO to say, for Lance, USADA was not a big fish that had to be paid off. Not until USADA came knocking on the door but by then it was too late. He had no connections and nowhere to turn. Not because they came back with a positive test. Because on-going investigation by federal prosecutors helped make the case for them.

On the other hand, Floyd, his representatives and USADA have a relationship that is on-going and growing. USADA is to Floyd what the UCI was to Lance Armstrong:

"CIRC concluded the UCI “did not act prudently” in soliciting and accepting financial donations from Armstrong, particularly because he was suspected of doping. In 2002 Armstrong had donated $25,000 towards the UCI’s costs for drug testing and in 2007 a further $100,000 towards a drug-testing machine. In 2008 £100,000 ...."

The above is similar to Floyd's representatives paying USADA money for testing. The above was considered a bad thing.
Even USADA said that was unethical but that is exactly what Floyd is doing with USADA.


Floyd strategically fights in Nevada. Lance cycled all over the world. Which was harder to contain?





Quantum leap you say?
- Floyd used something that is banned.
- Delayed giving urine 6+ hours! Not the first time!
- Nobody but Floyd fans are believing that Floyd required an IV. Talk about leaping!!!
- Lied (perjury) by not filling out the pre-fight form correctly and signing it then saying he had a medical condition that required something that was banned.
- Floyd's rep paid USADA $150,000 for the testing on one fight. Paid USADA many times. Unethical according to USADA(see Lance).
- Vital signs were better than normal!
- NSAC physician reported no significant signs of dehydration
- Floyd's weight was relatively stable for 30 days. Said made weight EASILY!
- Floyd had lots of time to orally rehydrate himself.
- Floyd did not exert himself on May 1st. Unless one counts doing interviews. lol!
- Floyd weighed 146 just before the IV plus drank and drank his way back up. Then needed an IV? Why?
- Floyd has stated that he has done Vampire facials. Blood transfusion just before training. Making his eyes pretty before a fight?
Lance had to hide to delay and smuggle to take an IV. Floyd did it all in the open. I guess Floyd paid the right people!



Quantum leap?
You didn't include this when you C/P what you posted:
"there is little to suggest Mayweather was severely dehydrated , but it is entirely possible he felt he needed one, which prompted the requested. Of course, this does not justify its use and the grounds on which USADA granted that request is, by far, the most interesting aspect of this version of events. "




That article was a deflection job made by a Floyd fan type supporter.
1) 3+ litres? This is a deflection. Just so you understand, here is an example of Lance rushing to get something in him quickly. So like I said a deflection.
"team doctor once smuggled a bag of saline directly past an International Cycling Union tester, inside his raincoat, and delivered it to Armstrong just in time to thwart an EPO test." and passed the test. SCIENCE!!!

2) There is no magical number or formula that fits all as there are too many variables. Your points didn't mention that.
The IV contained what exactly? Who is the athlete, the condition of the athlete, was the athlete standing up or sitting when taking the test, the environment/altitude, when was the test taken, what else did the athlete consume (eat and drink), ....
So to say, with about 1 Litre, an athlete can drop down 3% while another may drop down 5% and another 8% BUT THE POINT IS SO WHAT??? Its a deflection! This is how the athletes MASK!!!! That is all you need to know

3) HT levels do not have to be exaggeratingly high for it to be effective for an individual. If Floyd has a normal reading of 40 and brings it up to just a bit over the limit then that is a huge difference but all Floyd has to do is bring it down a notch to pass the test.

EXAMPLE: 40(Floyd's avg normal) + 12(2 above limit) = 52. That is 12 above his normal but only 2 above the limit.

4) As stated above (2), lots of variables to take into account. Besides the IV, Floyd was also drinking lots of fluids orally that day and consequently diluting his system even more.

5) see my next post for more points!






I answered this enough times that even you should understand. Lance Armstrong paid off lots of people and groups. Lance still was tested positive for steroids. Right? Then he had to get a retroactive prescription to bail him out. How did that happen? All that money and still got tested positive?
Not possible some Floyd fans will have you believe!

FLOYD: Could you imagine that it got out, like it did for Lance, that Floyd tested positive for a banned method? How about a banned substance? Get it? I doubt it since I have said this plenty of times before! lol!



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T/E ratios:
This is the most comical part of your post. So 33% of competitive football players had a low T/E ratio and so it is supposed to mean that Floyd's ratio is OK? Normal? The norm?


In the Tour de France, at one point in time, 60-70% were using EPO even though they had testing procedures in place. So if one would check out their HT stats, as an example, does that make it normal because many of them had similarly HIGH readings? Even though experts (not your article) actually considered it a red flag? Its still not normal!!! You do not look at it the way you stated it. lol!

Red flag remains a red flag even when 33% are flagged. Even if its 66% like my example .... but at least you had me laughing!!!




CIR:
- Athletes who are cheating are a step ahead of the testers. CIR is not sensitive enough to catch Floyd if he was micro-dosing. At least not if done right and can control USADA like he did.
- There are other ways that can beat CIR. In steps Memo Heredia who says that he knows of 20+ substances that can beat testing ....
"kitchen chemists who work in sports doping are engineering synthetic testosterone with just the right ratio to beat the CIR tests."
- False (CIR) negative result: So someone like a Floyd fan can say "Floyd having a low T/E ratio means nothing because CIR testing was done"


Biological Passports:
- "biological passport is enabling athletes to dope better because they have precise readings of their blood parameters"
- "“Sophisticated dopers have come to understand how to work around the Athlete Biological Passport,” he warns. “They have evaluated correctly that they need to pare back taking steroids or EPO and they will still get most of the benefits......And while the Athlete Blood Passport is widely accepted to have reduced industrial-sized blood doping, both Joyner and Scott fear that athletes have learned how to beat it by micro-dosing EPO ........"



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[Dosumpthin]

Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn’t. - Mark Twain.


Only thing presented as evidence of Floyd cheating thus far can be categorized as either speculation (ability to visually detect dehydration), misinformation (the legality of IV use), possibilities (Lance Armstrong references ) and fiction (how Floyd passed multiple drug test).

From quotes being taken out of context (Anthony Bennetts contradiction of himself) to full blown agenda driven lies (Thomas Hauser reported that Floyd was "caught" and later recanted).

Not one single point raised can be supported by a FACT - something that truly exists or happens : something that has actual existence. And as more facts are revealed, for some, the reasoning that suggest Floyd cheating evolves to include newer possibilities fueling an ENDLESS cycle of debate of fact vs. fiction.

Logical reasoning supported by legal and medical definitions, official statements from NSAC and USADA, links to WADA code, chronological list of key events, expert opinions from specialist down to the official score cards of the judges are unfazed when challenged by the mere opinions of amateur YouTube videos, editorials, blogs, memes, trolls, unknown sources, convicted felons, conspiracy theorists and admitted liars.

Facts are indeed stubborn, and rightfully so.

Floyd cheated = FICTION


Now ladies and gentlemen of the jury, let us all move our attention to excuse #2. THE SHOULDER INJURY. ......



　

[tangalog2200]

He owned him big time.... LMAO

how are you buddy? still doing your cheer leading stunts?

by the way, pac wishes to join the olympics, this i think you should be aware of by now...

will it not be a good scenario for floyd and jmm to also join, if ever pros are allowed?

then let's see how olympic drug testing plays out between the 3 musketeers! ha ha ha ha....

[Zaroku]

how are you buddy? still doing your cheer leading stunts?

by the way, pac wishes to join the olympics, this i think you should be aware of by now...

will it not be a good scenario for floyd and jmm to also join, if ever pros are allowed?

then let's see how olympic drug testing plays out between the 3 musketeers! ha ha ha ha....

In this twisted reality.... Anything possible ........


OMG!!!

PAC would be crushed by Miss Universe..... That fine German Filipina....

Freddy would be dead...... That's what I said... (Think song)

Memo would be behind every Gold Medalist:::

Ariza would be his assistant....


In a perfect world.... I would be drinking San Miguel beer... Eating Filipino food and resting after a day of clam diving in Palawan!!!

[Zaroku]

how are you buddy? still doing your cheer leading stunts?

by the way, pac wishes to join the olympics, this i think you should be aware of by now...

will it not be a good scenario for floyd and jmm to also join, if ever pros are allowed?

then let's see how olympic drug testing plays out between the 3 musketeers! ha ha ha ha....

Olympic judges are cheaper to buy...

I must be a Filipino.... Happier in the Philippines than in the U.S.. Safer too...
Peace my homie Rath... Always has my back... Peace brother Rath....we know cheating when we see it... Tag, you and I know a sham when we see it...

[ADP02]

Basically all these threads come to one conclusion, the acknowledgement of PEDs in sports, and the sophistication athletes have done to beat PEDs yet mainly focusing on particular fighters and ignoring other fighters in the actual title even after the main corrupt such as Conte stating Pac is SUSPECT.

If there's no common ground for Objective reason then debating with bitter losers is pointless, and thus, Floyd Mayweather Jr. was the best Athlete to beat PEDs whereas all other athletes weren't good enough to beat other PED athletes because someone had more money as an advantage?! Pac apparently the second richest boxer went broke because of Floyd so he couldn't cheat better and looked the dumbest of all PED users?

Lol.

Dumbest thread all these posters admitting Pac ******?

#48!

Long live the most intelligent and skilled PED users that don't come off as losers....!!!!!!????

Oh, so now Floyd fans are seeing the light that Floyd's dehydration excuse was BS. All lies.

so now lets focus on trying to make sure that everyone is thrown under the bus not just my hero Floyd.

You know that that was how some Floyd fans reacted initially when this IV scandal first came to light.

"So what. Not only Floyd's taking PEDs. I wouldn't be surprised that they are all doing it" - desperate Floyd fan



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[ADP02]

Oh so Steve Harvey is back!

We know you didn't read Steve, we know!!! It was all over the news!

[The Big Dunn]

Oh, so now Floyd fans are seeing the light that Floyd's dehydration excuse was BS. All lies.

so now lets focus on trying to make sure that everyone is thrown under the bus not just my hero Floyd.

You know that that was how some Floyd fans reacted initially when this IV scandal first came to light.

"So what. Not only Floyd's taking PEDs. I wouldn't be surprised that they are all doing it" - desperate Floyd fan



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still crying about Manny losing. Just accept the fact he's just not as good as Floyd. It's ok because no one else in Floyd's generation was either.

[travestyny]

Quantum leap you say?
- Floyd used something that is banned.
- Delayed giving urine 6+ hours! Not the first time!
- Nobody but Floyd fans are believing that Floyd required an IV. Talk about leaping!!!
- Lied (perjury) by not filling out the pre-fight form correctly and signing it then saying he had a medical condition that required something that was banned.
- Floyd's rep paid USADA $150,000 for the testing on one fight. Paid USADA many times. Unethical according to USADA(see Lance).
- Vital signs were better than normal!
- NSAC physician reported no significant signs of dehydration
- Floyd's weight was relatively stable for 30 days. Said made weight EASILY!
- Floyd had lots of time to orally rehydrate himself.
- Floyd did not exert himself on May 1st. Unless one counts doing interviews. lol!
- Floyd weighed 146 just before the IV plus drank and drank his way back up. Then needed an IV? Why?
- Floyd has stated that he has done Vampire facials. Blood transfusion just before training. Making his eyes pretty before a fight?
Lance had to hide to delay and smuggle to take an IV. Floyd did it all in the open. I guess Floyd paid the right people!



Quantum leap?
You didn't include this when you C/P what you posted:
"there is little to suggest Mayweather was severely dehydrated , but it is entirely possible he felt he needed one, which prompted the requested. Of course, this does not justify its use and the grounds on which USADA granted that request is, by far, the most interesting aspect of this version of events. "




That article was a deflection job made by a Floyd fan type supporter.
1) 3+ litres? This is a deflection. Just so you understand, here is an example of Lance rushing to get something in him quickly. So like I said a deflection.
"team doctor once smuggled a bag of saline directly past an International Cycling Union tester, inside his raincoat, and delivered it to Armstrong just in time to thwart an EPO test." and passed the test. SCIENCE!!!

2) There is no magical number or formula that fits all as there are too many variables. Your points didn't mention that.
The IV contained what exactly? Who is the athlete, the condition of the athlete, was the athlete standing up or sitting when taking the test, the environment/altitude, when was the test taken, what else did the athlete consume (eat and drink), ....
So to say, with about 1 Litre, an athlete can drop down 3% while another may drop down 5% and another 8% BUT THE POINT IS SO WHAT??? Its a deflection! This is how the athletes MASK!!!! That is all you need to know

3) HT levels do not have to be exaggeratingly high for it to be effective for an individual. If Floyd has a normal reading of 40 and brings it up to just a bit over the limit then that is a huge difference but all Floyd has to do is bring it down a notch to pass the test.

EXAMPLE: 40(Floyd's avg normal) + 12(2 above limit) = 52. That is 12 above his normal but only 2 above the limit.

4) As stated above (2), lots of variables to take into account. Besides the IV, Floyd was also drinking lots of fluids orally that day and consequently diluting his system even more.

5) see my next post for more points!

I answered this enough times that even you should understand. Lance Armstrong paid off lots of people and groups. Lance still was tested positive for steroids. Right? Then he had to get a retroactive prescription to bail him out. How did that happen? All that money and still got tested positive?
Not possible some Floyd fans will have you believe!

FLOYD: Could you imagine that it got out, like it did for Lance, that Floyd tested positive for a banned method? How about a banned substance? Get it? I doubt it since I have said this plenty of times before! lol!

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The reason I linked you to that particular article is because the author mentions that Hauser puts up a solid case that Floyd may not have been dehydrated enough to necessitate an IV. You noted that, which you should have since I asked you to read it. But isn't it funny that you take that part, but the rest of the article you throw away as "a deflection job made by a Floyd fan." Once again, from a single source, you accept what fits your agenda and toss out what doesn't.

Nothing you typed above presents any proof that Floyd was masking PED's.

By the way, I wish you and your buddy could read carefully. Once again, the author never said 3 liters would be needed to fool the test. I don't have time to teach you guys reading comprehension skills. It clearly states "Hauser postulates that a 750 ml IV saline infusion would be enough to reduce haematocrit levels from 55% to 47%, but the reality is that closer to three litres of IV saline would be required to produce a similar reduction." If you can't understand this, I don't know what to tell you.

How does the masking job allow him to pass the test given the next day? You need the planets to align to prove he was doping.

You believe he paid off USADA, but you are unable to give any logical benefit he received from doing so.
You believe he masked PED use, but he gave a partial urine sample from before the IV and the masking job wouldn't allow him to pass the tests given the next day.
Lance got caught. So you believe that somehow means something about Floyd? How?
You believe his T/E ratios were off, but this is clearly proven to be inconclusive with regards to declaring someone a cheat.

This is very simple. All of the things you listed are challenging the notion that he was dehydrated. Ok, fine. Where is your proof that he was masking PED's That's what we want to know. Let's see you hurdle the quantum leap. If not, stop wasting my time with these essays and admit you have no proof.