who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Real King Kong]

Thats Memo Heredia BALCO's chemist. Memo working with Ariza means that Froid has a chemist in his camp who can synthesize cholesterol based test for him that cant be detected by CIR.

CIR is oversold. It only detects one kind of exogenous testosterone, phytosterol based. It was only an effective test when it first came out because the chemists hadn't adapted to it yet. Chemists like Memo know full well how to get around the CIR test.

Interesting...i guess if manny had that guy back in 2010, he wouldn't have had to duck the testing. Ariza was only enough to beat standard nsac piss testing i guess.

[Dosumpthin]

There is no loophole. The rules are clear as day. All injections are banned except those on the approved list. There is no ambiguity there is no loophole.

Sure it does. They dont reference wadas banned METHODS. No where in NSAC will you find language such as

"Intravenous infusions and/or injections"

Which wada makes the distinction clear between infusion and injection leaving no room for legal and or medical interpetation. It matters. Check with a medical insurance company if you want more clarification and think it doesnt.

OR

"Artificially enhancing the uptake, transport or delivery of oxygen"

Blood doping. Theres more, but you get the point.

They wont investigate Froid because he agreed to retire. That was the deal.

They have yet to punish a single fighter for IV rehydration (that i know of). If so please inform me. Maybe then you can make a legitamte case for special treatment of floyd.

No VADA was doing the testing before Froid brought in USADA. VADA is more stringent than USADA.

Mayweather vs Mosely


"For the first time, you have professional athletes in the sport of boxing approaching us to implement an anti-doping programme," Tygart said. "These athletes are courageous in their position and their desire to be held to the most stringent anti-doping standard."


vada was created 2011


But in your opinion, what make vada more stringent?

You brought up PRP because you did a quick Google search of blood doping and PRP showed up because of its similarity to blood doping.

I brought it up for the reason i stated. PRP is one of the five drugs listed on mannys pre fight form. I ve checked before to see if any of them would require a TUE. So i learned what is was and thoughy it was funny this was allowed for a non disclosed shoulder injury during training, Great way to legally blood dope.

Quit jumping between rules you *******. The issue is that the NSAC does not allow injections that are not on the approved list period.

What about infusions? Does it say anything about infusions?

And saline? More importantly a saline injection? Is it banned? Nope. Not accordong to the wording.

[Dosumpthin]

Interesting...i guess if manny had that guy back in 2010, he wouldn't have had to duck the testing. Ariza was only enough to beat standard nsac piss testing i guess.

Floyd with the chess move taking away mannys drug dealers. Just imagining freddy roach calling usada to find out whats banned. Had their lawyer fill out the pre fight form. Lol. They were doomed.


Poor manny.

[travestyny]

It was not USADA that caught Armstrong it was the LA Federal Prosecutor. Once Armstrong's team was put under oath the entire scam crumbled. But please go ahead. If you think you know more about his than I do it will be fun humiliating you.

Nice of you to show your reading comprehension. I said that USADA was one of the corporations after him.

"Lance Armstrong has announced that he will no longer fight accusations from the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA)..."

"The USADA accuses Armstrong of using EPO, human growth hormone, testosterone, anti-inflammatory steroids and various masking agents used to cover up his other alleged abuses. The agency claims to have physical evidence for Armstrong's supposed "blood doping,"

http://www.livescience.com/22684-lan...g-science.html

So now who is the idiot? You should learn to read. But I'm not done with you

And there is where you are ******. It is not the "sustained increase" that beats the test. Its the transient effect. Lance Armstorng was not taking 3 liter IVs to beat the test you idiot.

You are an absolute moron. My quotations never said that Lance would have to take 3 liter IV. Can you comprehend anything or is your head so far up your ignorant a$$? It says 3 liters would be necessary to reduce haematocrit levels from 55% to 47%, the amount that Hauser said Mayweather's 750ml would reduce it to. Furthermore, it says the 750ml he took might alter the tests if urine is given immediately after the IV, but would do nothing to alter it when urine is given the next day. Way to leave that part out, "expert." You are being exposed.

Because USADA leaks you dolt. How do you think the press found out about Morales positive test? Not everyone who works for USADA is on the take. Someone within USADA leaked it. Its far better for everyone involved if Froid never tests positive than for USADA to try and cover up a positive test.

First of all, do you have some proof that someone at USADA is on the take, or is this just speculation? I'm going to ask you the same question that I asked the other guy, who couldn't answer it. Maybe you will have a better answer. If Mayweather paid millions of dollars to USADA to be able to take PED's, then why does he still have to trick USADA? What you are telling me is that he paid millions of dollars yet he gets no benefit. He doesn't know when they are coming to collect, he has to mask his PED use, he couldn't get them to hide the use of the IV (or pretend to stay away and pretend it didn't happen) or to hide the TUE that was delivered. If he never has any inside information, which is clear because according to you he still has to mask, then how is it logical that it was money well spent? He gives a partial urine sample from BEFORE the IV which would clearly increase the chance of him failing a drug test in the case he was cheating, but you're telling me Mayweather couldn't have claimed that he couldn't piss at all and just gave urine from after the IV? USADA didn't help him at all? They couldn't even slip him the time that they would be coming? Please enlighten me with your vast knowledge (******ity). You are full of ****. Furthermore, not to bring Morales into it, but with regard to Hauser's claim:

"The Halestorm Sports story referenced by Mr. Hauser can be accessed at http://halestormsports.com/2012/10/1...les-allegedly- tests-positive-for-banned-substance-is-fight-with-danny-garcia-still- on/, and appears to have been posted on the evening of October 18, 2012. By then, both fighters, the promoter, and the New York State Athletic Commission (NYSAC) had already all been advised by USADA of Mr. Morales' positive test. The results had also already been reported to WADA by sample number directly by the laboratory."

USADA owning Hauser like I'm owning you, but keep trying.

Did not occur to you that since UEFA was not testing for steroids that many of the players will be taking steroids? A sample of 4,195 athletes in an untested league is not a control sample for clean athletes you moron. If anything you should assume that many are dirty.

hahahahahaha. I love putting you in your place!
From an article from 2013 entitled "Seeing red: UEFA's fight against drug cheats will see blood-testing programme expand next season"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...h-drug-1907412
YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!! I just want you to know that! An untested league, you say?

First, low T/E ratios are not just a sign of masking testosterone with epitestosterone. AAS use can suppress T/E ratios well after discontinuation of use especially if the user does not know how to restart the natural production of testosterone with post cycle therapy.

However, Froid didn't just have low T/E ratio. He had high end of normal testosterone and a low T/E ratio. This means that his epitestosterone was abnormally high. There is only one explanation for borderline high testosterone and a low T/E ratio, exogenous epitestosterone.

Second, the CIR test is oversold in its effectiveness. The CIR test is looking for evidence of testosterone synthesized from soy phytosterols. Phytosterol synthesis is the most common way of making prescription and black market testosterone because it is a cheap and effective method. If someone is taking a name brand or generic testosterone CIR test will detect it. However, testosterone can also be synthesized from cholesterol just as the body does. Exogenous testosterone synthesized from cholesterol will not be detected by CIR test as it is chemically identical to biological testosterone.

Now where does someone get testosterone synthesized by cholesterol. Well the best way would be to have a chemists synthesize it for you. An expert at synthesizing testosterone would have no trouble synthesizing cholesterol based testosterone, someone like Memo Heradia. Memo would never be ****** enough to put an athlete on common phytosterol synthesized testosterone. He would synthesize from cholesterol to beat the CIR test.

You cannot hope to win on this. I'm the expert here.

You did some research. Le't see what USADA says.
"Importantly, relying on CIR testing alone to detect the use of prohibited substances is yesterday’s science and not up to the current best scientific practices.The best scientific practices today, which USADA utilizes, is the Athlete Biological Passport (ABP) to longitudinally monitor an athlete’s urine and blood profiles, which allows us to look for any minor or major fluctuations in an athlete’s blood or steroid values. Any fluctuations can lead to additional targeted testing. In addition to regular CIR testing, USADA’s professional boxing testing programs all include testing for human growth hormone (hGH), Erythropoietin (EPO) and peptide hormones."

So let's see...the sometimes corrupt sometimes playing it by the book USADA seems to have accounted for CIR not being the best method and have stated their other methods to catch cheaters.

So now, were they able to cover up his cheating, or was this one of the times that they played it by the books? You can't even give a straight answer because "some are corrupt and some are not." lol. You are a joke.


Thanks, that was fun. I had a good laugh at your expense. If you can learn to read and comprehend more, maybe you can make it to first grade. Good luck.

[Dosumpthin]

Nice of you to show your reading comprehension. I said that USADA was one of the corporations after him.

"Lance Armstrong has announced that he will no longer fight accusations from the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA)..."

"The USADA accuses Armstrong of using EPO, human growth hormone, testosterone, anti-inflammatory steroids and various masking agents used to cover up his other alleged abuses. The agency claims to have physical evidence for Armstrong's supposed "blood doping,"

http://www.livescience.com/22684-lan...g-science.html

So now who is the idiot? You should learn to read. But I'm not done with you


You are an absolute moron. My quotations never said that Lance would have to take 3 liter IV. Can you comprehend anything or is your head so far up your ignorant a$$? It says 3 liters would be necessary to reduce haematocrit levels from 55% to 47%, the amount that Hauser said Mayweather's 750ml would reduce it to. Furthermore, it says the 750ml he took might alter the tests if urine is given immediately after the IV, but would do nothing to alter it when urine is given the next day. Way to leave that part out, "expert." You are being exposed.


First of all, do you have some proof that someone at USADA is on the take, or is this just speculation? I'm going to ask you the same question that I asked the other guy, who couldn't answer it. Maybe you will have a better answer. If Mayweather paid millions of dollars to USADA to be able to take PED's, then why does he still have to trick USADA? What you are telling me is that he paid millions of dollars yet he gets no benefit. He doesn't know when they are coming to collect, he has to mask his PED use, he couldn't get them to hide the use of the IV (or pretend to stay away and pretend it didn't happen) or to hide the TUE that was delivered. If he never has any inside information, which is clear because according to you he still has to mask, then how is it logical that it was money well spent? He gives a partial urine sample from BEFORE the IV which would clearly increase the chance of him failing a drug test in the case he was cheating, but you're telling me Mayweather couldn't have claimed that he couldn't piss at all and just gave urine from after the IV? USADA didn't help him at all? They couldn't even slip him the time that they would be coming? Please enlighten me with your vast knowledge (******ity). You are full of ****. Furthermore, not to bring Morales into it, but with regard to Hauser's claim:

"The Halestorm Sports story referenced by Mr. Hauser can be accessed at http://halestormsports.com/2012/10/1...les-allegedly- tests-positive-for-banned-substance-is-fight-with-danny-garcia-still- on/, and appears to have been posted on the evening of October 18, 2012. By then, both fighters, the promoter, and the New York State Athletic Commission (NYSAC) had already all been advised by USADA of Mr. Morales' positive test. The results had also already been reported to WADA by sample number directly by the laboratory."

USADA owning Hauser like I'm owning you, but keep trying.



hahahahahaha. I love putting you in your place!
From an article from 2013 entitled "Seeing red: UEFA's fight against drug cheats will see blood-testing programme expand next season"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...h-drug-1907412
YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!! I just want you to know that! An untested league, you say?



You did some research. Le't see what USADA says.
"Importantly, relying on CIR testing alone to detect the use of prohibited substances is yesterday’s science and not up to the current best scientific practices.The best scientific practices today, which USADA utilizes, is the Athlete Biological Passport (ABP) to longitudinally monitor an athlete’s urine and blood profiles, which allows us to look for any minor or major fluctuations in an athlete’s blood or steroid values. Any fluctuations can lead to additional targeted testing. In addition to regular CIR testing, USADA’s professional boxing testing programs all include testing for human growth hormone (hGH), Erythropoietin (EPO) and peptide hormones."

So let's see...the sometimes corrupt sometimes playing it by the book USADA seems to have accounted for CIR not being the best method and have stated their other methods to catch cheaters.

So now, were they able to cover up his cheating, or was this one of the times that they played it by the books? You can't even give a straight answer because "some are corrupt and some are not." lol. You are a joke.


Thanks, that was fun. I had a good laugh at your expense. If you can learn to read and comprehend more, maybe you can make it to first grade. Good luck.

You made that guy look like the idiot dumb **** he is.

Damn.

[Zaroku]

You made that guy look like the idiot dumb **** he is.

Damn.

He owned him big time.... LMAO

[Rath]

Interesting...i guess if manny had that guy back in 2010, he wouldn't have had to duck the testing. Ariza was only enough to beat standard nsac piss testing i guess.

Floyd duck VADA testing Pac asked for cut off date,

and unlimited urine test.

[Rath]

GTTof AK and ADPO2 are schooling genius floyd fans like kindergartens that hey are LOL

[ADP02]

Not sure why you keep bringing up Lance, but if you want to, let's go there.

Do you realize that USADA was one of the main organizations going after Lance to prove he was guilty, or do you just not know much about his case? I could post various information to prove that, but since you claim to know so much about Lance, you should know that.

Lance's biggest achievements happened when he won the Tour de France 7 times. Did you know that while Lance was said to be clean for all those years, others were getting caught?

USADA is located at the other side of the pond. So USADA was not involved. SO to say, for Lance, USADA was not a big fish that had to be paid off. Not until USADA came knocking on the door but by then it was too late. He had no connections and nowhere to turn. Not because they came back with a positive test. Because on-going investigation by federal prosecutors helped make the case for them.

On the other hand, Floyd, his representatives and USADA have a relationship that is on-going and growing. USADA is to Floyd what the UCI was to Lance Armstrong:

"CIRC concluded the UCI “did not act prudently” in soliciting and accepting financial donations from Armstrong, particularly because he was suspected of doping. In 2002 Armstrong had donated $25,000 towards the UCI’s costs for drug testing and in 2007 a further $100,000 towards a drug-testing machine. In 2008 £100,000 ...."

The above is similar to Floyd's representatives paying USADA money for testing. The above was considered a bad thing.
Even USADA said that was unethical but that is exactly what Floyd is doing with USADA.


Floyd strategically fights in Nevada. Lance cycled all over the world. Which was harder to contain?

You feel you have something valid when it comes to dehydration (when you don't have anything conclusive at all), but you are having a major issue making that quantum leap to Floyd using PED's. So in the worst case scenario, you have Floyd rehydrating with saline and vitamin C and beating Pacquaio. Don't see much to complain about.

Quantum leap you say?
- Floyd used something that is banned.
- Delayed giving urine 6+ hours! Not the first time!
- Nobody but Floyd fans are believing that Floyd required an IV. Talk about leaping!!!
- Lied (perjury) by not filling out the pre-fight form correctly and signing it then saying he had a medical condition that required something that was banned.
- Floyd's rep paid USADA $150,000 for the testing on one fight. Paid USADA many times. Unethical according to USADA(see Lance).
- Vital signs were better than normal!
- NSAC physician reported no significant signs of dehydration
- Floyd's weight was relatively stable for 30 days. Said made weight EASILY!
- Floyd had lots of time to orally rehydrate himself.
- Floyd did not exert himself on May 1st. Unless one counts doing interviews. lol!
- Floyd weighed 146 just before the IV plus drank and drank his way back up. Then needed an IV? Why?
- Floyd has stated that he has done Vampire facials. Blood transfusion just before training. Making his eyes pretty before a fight?
Lance had to hide to delay and smuggle to take an IV. Floyd did it all in the open. I guess Floyd paid the right people!



Quantum leap?
You didn't include this when you C/P what you posted:
"there is little to suggest Mayweather was severely dehydrated , but it is entirely possible he felt he needed one, which prompted the requested. Of course, this does not justify its use and the grounds on which USADA granted that request is, by far, the most interesting aspect of this version of events. "

I already showed you how the science for the masking conspiracy doesn't even add up. You never told me what you think of that. :

when IV saline is used for blood volume replacement, one litre is recommended to produce a 250 ml. increase in blood volume.
So, while 750 ml does equate to “roughly 16 percent of the blood normally present in the average male”, the sustained increase in blood volume corresponding to a 750 ml. Saline IV infusion would likely be in the region of 3-4%, not 16%. Similarly, Hauser postulates that a 750 ml IV saline infusion would be enough to reduce haematocrit levels from 55% to 47%, but the reality is that closer to three litres of IV saline would be required to produce a similar reduction.

That article was a deflection job made by a Floyd fan type supporter.
1) 3+ litres? This is a deflection. Just so you understand, here is an example of Lance rushing to get something in him quickly. So like I said a deflection.
"team doctor once smuggled a bag of saline directly past an International Cycling Union tester, inside his raincoat, and delivered it to Armstrong just in time to thwart an EPO test." and passed the test. SCIENCE!!!

2) There is no magical number or formula that fits all as there are too many variables. Your points didn't mention that.
The IV contained what exactly? Who is the athlete, the condition of the athlete, was the athlete standing up or sitting when taking the test, the environment/altitude, when was the test taken, what else did the athlete consume (eat and drink), ....
So to say, with about 1 Litre, an athlete can drop down 3% while another may drop down 5% and another 8% BUT THE POINT IS SO WHAT??? Its a deflection! This is how the athletes MASK!!!! That is all you need to know

3) HT levels do not have to be exaggeratingly high for it to be effective for an individual. If Floyd has a normal reading of 40 and brings it up to just a bit over the limit then that is a huge difference but all Floyd has to do is bring it down a notch to pass the test.

EXAMPLE: 40(Floyd's avg normal) + 12(2 above limit) = 52. That is 12 above his normal but only 2 above the limit.

4) As stated above (2), lots of variables to take into account. Besides the IV, Floyd was also drinking lots of fluids orally that day and consequently diluting his system even more.

5) see my next post for more points!

if USADA is willing to cover things up for Floyd, as Hauser is strongly suggesting, it begs the question; why would Mayweather bother using an IV as a masking agent?

I answered this enough times that even you should understand. Lance Armstrong paid off lots of people and groups. Lance still was tested positive for steroids. Right? Then he had to get a retroactive prescription to bail him out. How did that happen? All that money and still got tested positive?
Not possible some Floyd fans will have you believe!

FLOYD: Could you imagine that it got out, like it did for Lance, that Floyd tested positive for a banned method? How about a banned substance? Get it? I doubt it since I have said this plenty of times before! lol!



.

[ADP02]

The Mayweather T/E ratios provided were 0.8 and 0.69 respectively.
In Hauser’s article, former PED kingpin Victor Conte described “abnormally low” T/E ratios as “a red flag,” with the clear implication being that Mayweather’s results were su****ious. Yet just last month, a study on the steroid profile of 4,195 male football players in UEFA competition was published. The results showed T/E ratios varied between 0.02 and 8.6 with roughly one-third of players showing a T/E ratio less than or equal to 0.9. Mayweather’s T/E ratio was low, slightly below average but is it so low as to allow us to draw the conclusions Mr. Hauser is suggesting?
Furthermore, in January of this year, Jon Jones and Daniel Cormier met at UFC 182. The results of the drug tests carried out by the NSAC in the lead up to this fight make interesting reading. Jones posted three T/E ratios; 0.35, 0.29 and 0.19. Cormier posted T/E ratios of 0.4 and 0.48. If Mayweather’s results are “abnormally low,” I’m not sure what Hauser would call these far, far lower results.
Mr. Hauser questioned whether Mayweather’s T/E ratio had prompted the samples to undergo carbon isotope ratio (CIR) testing. We don’t know if they did or if they didn’t. But we do know that both Jones and Cormier, with far lower T/E ratios, had their samples undergo CIR and according to NSAC executive director Bob Bennett, both tested negative for exogenous steroids.
.

T/E ratios:
This is the most comical part of your post. So 33% of competitive football players had a low T/E ratio and so it is supposed to mean that Floyd's ratio is OK? Normal? The norm?


In the Tour de France, at one point in time, 60-70% were using EPO even though they had testing procedures in place. So if one would check out their HT stats, as an example, does that make it normal because many of them had similarly HIGH readings? Even though experts (not your article) actually considered it a red flag? Its still not normal!!! You do not look at it the way you stated it. lol!

Red flag remains a red flag even when 33% are flagged. Even if its 66% like my example .... but at least you had me laughing!!!

By the way, we now do know that CIR testing was done. So um....what you got? Are you ready to move onto point #2 on PED use? Would love to hear your evidence that refutes the evidence presented here.

CIR:
- Athletes who are cheating are a step ahead of the testers. CIR is not sensitive enough to catch Floyd if he was micro-dosing. At least not if done right and can control USADA like he did.
- There are other ways that can beat CIR. In steps Memo Heredia who says that he knows of 20+ substances that can beat testing ....
"kitchen chemists who work in sports doping are engineering synthetic testosterone with just the right ratio to beat the CIR tests."
- False (CIR) negative result: So someone like a Floyd fan can say "Floyd having a low T/E ratio means nothing because CIR testing was done"


Biological Passports:
- "biological passport is enabling athletes to dope better because they have precise readings of their blood parameters"
- "“Sophisticated dopers have come to understand how to work around the Athlete Biological Passport,” he warns. “They have evaluated correctly that they need to pare back taking steroids or EPO and they will still get most of the benefits......And while the Athlete Blood Passport is widely accepted to have reduced industrial-sized blood doping, both Joyner and Scott fear that athletes have learned how to beat it by micro-dosing EPO ........"



.