who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Lester Tutor]

Just as I figured trying to Weezle your way out again. Your empty words can't dispute facts.

As I quote you,

Reloaded;16466295]People say all sorts of things doesnt mean its true , I dont like saying categorically anything is absolute without the evidence to prove'

I just served you in a silver plater pure evidence buddy boy. Then you volleyed back with nothing but shyit hehehe

Kidney shot.

And down goes reloaded again!

Only facts are that catchweights work a charm innit. Canelo fights for the 160 belt at 155-156, then goes to 165 for the 168, and 172 for the 175 title. Such a pattern would remind me of an "8 weight champ" with purses so good opponents don't care

[ADP02]

1. Apparently you were a part of the Mayweather camp. Seems you know more inside information about him than the rest of us. He said giving blood, giving urine, and intense training all contributed to his dehydration. Were you there to monitor his condition and his preparation? The only thing you've added is a lot of conjecture by yourself about reasons he should not have been dehydrated.

2. NSAC physicians examined him and deemed him fit to fight. Where did anyone say he needed an emergency IV? He used the IV to rehydrate, which was not illegal. Let me remind you that NSAC also examined Pacquaio and deemed him ready to go. So what's the deal with that shoulder injury?

3. The original contract did not have any language about a retroactive TUE. Read the USADA corrections document to educate yourself on that.

"It is important to recognize, however, that the Testing Agreement that was initially presented to the Pacquiao camp contained no specific reference to retroactive TUEs, but rather to the ISTUE which contains the specific retroactive TUE language."

But I guess they changed around this code to appease Mayweather???

Finally, not only was CIR testing done, which many Pacroaches jumped on because Hauser falsely reported it wasn't, but they used other methods also to monitor fluctuations in his testosterone levels.

Again, if they were paid off, it would have been very easy and much smarter to just stay away and feign ignorance.

1) So you are saying that what Floyd said is true?

You do not have to be in Floyd's camp to know that its BS and to make it easy for you, I even explained why but I will repeat some of that here.
- You cannot be severely dehydrated 10 days after you give a small sample of blood. Floyd and his fans said this for years. Now you are saying differently?

- You can NEVER be severely dehydrated because you gave them a urine sample. That should be clear to a Floyd fan too!

- On the day of the weigh in you are not doing any type of hard prolonged training. Right?
Also, Floyd was examined by a physician and the NSAC physician deemed Floyd to be OK and not severely dehydrated.

- Floyd was weighed at the 30 day mark up to and including the day where Floyd had to have that IV. The fluctuation was minimal and Floyd weighed in at 146 just like he usually does and admitted that he made that weight EASILY!!!

Read my points that I made in my previous post as there is more ...

Finally, no I was not there to verify Floyd's condition but the NSAC physician was there shortly before and did examine Floyd and here is some information on that:
"Mayweather’s blood pressure was 118/84. In other words, his systolic blood pressure (pressure when the heart is contracting and pumping blood out) was 118. And his diastolic blood pressure (pressure when the heart is resting between beats) was 84. That’s normal for a professional athlete.

Mayweather’s pulse rate – 60 sitting and 66 standing – was also normal.

When a ring doctor tells a fighter to open his mouth wide at a pre-fight physical examination, the doctor isn’t looking for cavities. He’s checking for loose teeth and cuts inside the mouth. The doctor is also checking the mucous membrane lining inside the fighter’s mouth for signs of dehydration. Furthermore, if a fighter is dehydrated, there are additional signs of that condition in his skin turgor (the time it takes for skin to return to its original position after being pinched). Neither of these conditions was noted by the examining doctor.

To repeat: Mayweather showed no significant signs of dehydration at his pre-fight physical examination.
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2)

a) Its easier for a physician to establish if the athlete is severely dehydrated compared to whether the athlete has a torn rotator cuff. Plus, the physician checks for dehydration (as stated above) and also the accompanying medical report shows that Floyd's blood pressure, pulse, weight and so on were all normal and similar to the other athletes examined. If Floyd was severely dehydrated, that would NOT be the case!

b) You state that IVs are not illegal. Yes they are if you take the amount that Floyd took

Directly from WADA:
"Intravenous (IV) infusions have been included on the WADA List of Prohibited Substances and Methods under section M2. Prohibited Methods, Chemical and Physical Manipulation since 2005. They are prohibited both in- and out-of competition.
The current wording in the 2015 Prohibited List states that Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical
investigations (1)."



3) THis should cover your 3rd point:
"Also, let’s keep in mind that the original draft of the USADA-Mayweather-Pacquiao drug-testing contract would have allowed USADA to grant a retroactive the****utic use exemption to either fighter without notifying the Nevada State Athletic Commission or the opposing fighter’s camp. Indeed, even USADA’s “Detailed Correction” concedes, “USADA agreed to the request from Mr. Pacquiao’s representatives that USADA provide mutual notification to both fighters upon the approval of a TUE.”

In other words, if Pacquiao’s representatives hadn’t insisted upon notification, Mayweather’s retroactive the****utic use exemption would most likely have remained a secret between Mayweather and USADA
"


Finally, concerning CIR. That can be easily passed. One of the things that athletes who cheat do is they micro dose. As long as they do not get tested within a short window of time, they can easily pass the test.
So what happened that day?
USADA went to get a urine sample but Floyd delayed giving the required urine sample. USADA had to wait about 6-7 hours to complete that. Floyd has delayed giving urine samples in the past too!!! Another red flag. Another possibility is that someone in the know may be able to use engineered synthetic testosterone to beat the test or use a different derivative that deems the test useless! In comes someone named Memo Heredia who was an admitted consultant for Floyd/Ariza!!!




.

[travestyny]

1) So you are saying that what Floyd said is true?

You do not have to be in Floyd's camp to know that its BS and to make it easy for you, I even explained why but I will repeat some of that here.
- You cannot be severely dehydrated 10 days after you give a small sample of blood.
- You can NEVER be severely dehydrated because you gave them a urine sample. That should be clear to a Floyd fan too!
- On the day of the weigh in you are not doing any type of hard prolonged training. Right? Also, Floyd was examined by a physician and the NSAC physician deemed Floyd to be OK and not severely dehydrated.
- Floyd was weighed at the 30 day mark up to and including the day where Floyd had to have that IV. The fluctuation was minimal and Floyd weighed in at 146 just like he usually does and admitted that he made that weight EASILY!!!

Read my points that I made in my previous post as there is more ...

Finally, no I was not there to verify Floyd's condition but the NSAC physician was there shortly before and did examine Floyd and here is some information on that:
"Mayweather’s blood pressure was 118/84. In other words, his systolic blood pressure (pressure when the heart is contracting and pumping blood out) was 118. And his diastolic blood pressure (pressure when the heart is resting between beats) was 84. That’s normal for a professional athlete.

Mayweather’s pulse rate – 60 sitting and 66 standing – was also normal.

When a ring doctor tells a fighter to open his mouth wide at a pre-fight physical examination, the doctor isn’t looking for cavities. He’s checking for loose teeth and cuts inside the mouth. The doctor is also checking the mucous membrane lining inside the fighter’s mouth for signs of dehydration. Furthermore, if a fighter is dehydrated, there are additional signs of that condition in his skin turgor (the time it takes for skin to return to its original position after being pinched). Neither of these conditions was noted by the examining doctor.

To repeat: Mayweather showed no significant signs of dehydration at his pre-fight physical examination.
"



2)

a) Its easier for a physician to establish if the athlete is severely dehydrated compared to whether the athlete has a torn rotator cuff. Plus, the physician checks for dehydration and also the accompanying medical report shows that Floyd's blood pressure, pulse, weight and so on were all normal and similar to the other athletes examined. If Floyd was severely dehydrated, that would NOT be the case!

b) You state that IVs are not illegal. Yes they are if you take the amount that Floyd took

Directly from WADA:
"Intravenous (IV) infusions have been included on the WADA List of Prohibited
Substances and Methods under section M2. Prohibited Methods, Chemical and
Physical Manipulation since 2005. They are prohibited both in- and out-of competition.
The current wording in the 2015 Prohibited List states that Intravenous infusions
and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those
legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical
investigations (1)."



3) THis should cover your 3rd point:
"Also, let’s keep in mind that the original draft of the USADA-Mayweather-Pacquiao drug-testing contract would have allowed USADA to grant a retroactive the****utic use exemption to either fighter without notifying the Nevada State Athletic Commission or the opposing fighter’s camp. Indeed, even USADA’s “Detailed Correction” concedes, “USADA agreed to the request from Mr. Pacquiao’s representatives that USADA provide mutual notification to both fighters upon the approval of a TUE.”

In other words, if Pacquiao’s representatives hadn’t insisted upon notification, Mayweather’s retroactive the****utic use exemption would most likely have remained a secret between Mayweather and USADA
"


Finally, concerning CIR. That can be easily passed. One of the things that athletes who cheat do is they micro dose. As long as they do not get tested within a short window, they can easily pass the test. So what happened that day? USADA went to get a urine sample but Floyd delayed giving the required urine sample. USADA had to wait about 5-7 hours to complete that. Floyd has delayed giving urine samples in the past too!!! Another red flag. Another possibility is that someone in the know may be able to use engineered synthetic testosterone to beat the test or use a different derivative that deems the test useless! In comes someone named Memo Heredia who was an admitted consultant for Floyd/Ariza!!!




.

1. Why are you taking each part of what Mayweather said and weighing it separately? Does that make any sense to you? He mentioned reasons that may have all together caused him to be dehydrated. For you to take these things separately and say they don't cause dehydration is fine, but pointless because that has never been his stance. Furthermore, I don't know what Floyd was doing on the day of the weigh-in or leading up to the weigh-in. I imagine that you don't know exactly what he was doing either. If you have some inside information about his workout regimen or rehydration practices, do let us know. As for his weight, he has already stated that he didn't have trouble making the weight. Have you ever been dehydrated? Probably you have been. Was it because you were trying to cut weight? Maybe you should think about that.

2. Other posters have already posted about fighters that claimed to be dehydrated passing their NSAC physicals. How many times have people said fighters look dehydrated at weigh-ins? How many times have those fights been called off due to dehydration? I can't think of one single time. Can you?

3. IV's are not illegal as per NSAC. IV's are allowed by USADA if a TUE is approved. It was approved, so it was not illegal.

4. Once again, the original contract did not have any language about retroactive TUE's. It was part of USADA's code that referred to it. It had nothing to do with Mayweather negotiating for retroactive TUE's not to be revealed, as you try to claim. USADA states that very clearly. When Pacquaio's team raised a concern about that being in their code, USADA agreed to disclose any TUE to both fighters if one was granted.

5. USADA agrees that CIR testing isn't the best way to monitor the use of prohibited substances. That is why they use other methods as well.

"Importantly, relying on CIR testing alone to detect the use of prohibited substances is yesterday’s science and not up to the current best scientific practices. The best scientific practices today, which USADA utilizes, is the Athlete Biological Passport (ABP) to longitudinally monitor an athlete’s urine and blood profiles, which allows us to look for any minor or major fluctuations in an athlete’s blood or steroid values."

You say there are "red flags," but what the facts show is that Mayweahther never failed a drug test, and USADA played by the rules when, if they were taking money, it would have been easier and smarter to look the other way. Furthermore, NSAC also cleared him of any wrong doing after initially questioning what happened. So was NSAC paid off at a later date? Does it make sense, or are you grasping at straws?

[imperial1]

Saw this in another thread .Too many red flags for people not to believe he was on PED's

Mayweather was sued by Pacquiao's lawyers motion to subpoena his drug test results, medical records, and contracts with USADA, Mayweather quickly settled the case and paid out a large sum of money in order to keep the requested information private. If Mayweather was clean and wanted to clean up the sport of boxing, why not offer full transparency?

Mayweather has a medical team, which is bizarre since no boxer should have his own medical team. Strength and conditioning coaches, yes. Nutrionist and personal chef, yes. Medical team? Absolutely not.

Mayweather was the subject of an explosive report that indicates that he failed 3 drug tests. Mayweather doesn't go to much length at all to deny this report, opting for the say-nothing-and-it-will-go away option. Mayweather accused Pac of being on PEDs. Pacquiao sued him. And WON.

Mayweather tested 2X for having testosterone-to-epitesterone levels of .8 and .6, a massive red flag that points to doping. Usually when this happens, CIR testing is done as a follow up. Not only did USADA not follow up, but they refuse to do CIR testing because they deem that it is too expensive. VADA charged $16,000 for Provodnikov-Matthysse w/ CIR testing. USADA received $150,000 upfront from Team Mayweather for the Pacquiao fight. Red flag, red flag, red flag.

Mayweather rejected VADA testing. If clean, why reject the use of a qualified and effective testing agency that has caught people and is without controversy?

Mayweather rejected a $5 million dollar fine for a positive result. If clean, why not just agree to it? It literally costs nothing and is an excellent insurance for both fighters.

Mayweather had USADA send out an agreement to Team Pacquiao that allowed a TUE to be retroactively granted in the event that a fighter tested positive for a prohibited drug. This agreement also ludicrously stated that neither the NSAC nor the opposing camp had to be notified. Mayweather actually wanted it in writing that he was allowed to dope.

Mayweather was seen by a doctor and approved and declared fit for combat on the day of the weigh in. If he was dehydrated, nevermind severely dehydrated, the doctor would have noticed it. And Mayweather himself signed off on being 100% ready and fit for combat in 24 hours.

Mayweather had banned fluids totaling 750 ML administered in the privacy of his home and was then given approval for a TUE (The****utic Use Exemption) close to 3 weeks after the fight. Mayweather received these fluids mere hours after a doctor had cleared him and deemed him ready for competition.

Mayweather does "vampire" facials, a cosmetic procedure that involves a reinjection of a gel-like substance—platelet rich fibrin matrix (PRFM)—derived from a patient's own blood back into multiple areas of the skin of their face to treat wrinkles. If Floyd's taking blood out of himself to reinject into his face, blood doping is certainly not something he would shy away from.

[Zaroku]

Who among these highly suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

I think Pacquaio got the most out of PED. From almost losing to Marquez during their 2nd fight, he went on to beat delahoya, hatton, cotto and made hundreds for millions.

Mayweather is the most hyprocrite pretending to clean up the sport while using PED. This guy is really something. I believe Hauser that Floyd has 3 positive tests destroyed. Floyd's IV use gave more credibility to that accusation.

Marquez PED use only benefited him by finally KO Pacquaio. He did beat a bum but lost to Bradley while on PED which is interesting.

Exactly how I feel about the whole PED situation.

[travestyny]

Saw this in another thread .Too many red flags for people not to believe he was on PED's

Mayweather was sued by Pacquiao's lawyers motion to subpoena his drug test results, medical records, and contracts with USADA, Mayweather quickly settled the case and paid out a large sum of money in order to keep the requested information private. If Mayweather was clean and wanted to clean up the sport of boxing, why not offer full transparency?

This is inaccurate. USADA produced a total of 2,695 pages of documents in response to the subpoena from Mr. Pacquiao’s legal counsel between July 6 and August 21, 2012. Those documents were provided to Mr. Pacquiao’s legal counsel as well as representatives for Mr. Mayweather.

Mayweather has a medical team, which is bizarre since no boxer should have his own medical team. Strength and conditioning coaches, yes. Nutrionist and personal chef, yes. Medical team? Absolutely not.

Um...ok...?

Mayweather was the subject of an explosive report that indicates that he failed 3 drug tests. Mayweather doesn't go to much length at all to deny this report, opting for the say-nothing-and-it-will-go away option. Mayweather accused Pac of being on PEDs. Pacquiao sued him. And WON.

Still waiting for Hauser's proof of the 3 drug tests. I imagine we will be waiting a long time.

Mayweather tested 2X for having testosterone-to-epitesterone levels of .8 and .6, a massive red flag that points to doping. Usually when this happens, CIR testing is done as a follow up. Not only did USADA not follow up, but they refuse to do CIR testing because they deem that it is too expensive. VADA charged $16,000 for Provodnikov-Matthysse w/ CIR testing. USADA received $150,000 upfront from Team Mayweather for the Pacquiao fight. Red flag, red flag, red flag.

In fact, USADA performs extensive CIR testing as part of the professional boxing testing programs it conducts and has never declined to administer CIR testing. All 22 urine samples collected during the Mayweather/Pacquiao testing program were tested by CIR and for EPO.

Mayweather rejected VADA testing. If clean, why reject the use of a qualified and effective testing agency that has caught people and is without controversy?

Maybe because he was doing testing with USADA...?

Mayweather rejected a $5 million dollar fine for a positive result. If clean, why not just agree to it? It literally costs nothing and is an excellent insurance for both fighters.

He's afraid of $5million? Ok....?

Mayweather had USADA send out an agreement to Team Pacquiao that allowed a TUE to be retroactively granted in the event that a fighter tested positive for a prohibited drug. This agreement also ludicrously stated that neither the NSAC nor the opposing camp had to be notified. Mayweather actually wanted it in writing that he was allowed to dope.

Nope again. "It is important to recognize, however, that the Testing Agreement that was initially presented to the Pacquiao camp contained no specific reference to retroactive TUEs, but rather to the ISTUE which contains the specific retroactive TUE language."

Mayweather was seen by a doctor and approved and declared fit for combat on the day of the weigh in. If he was dehydrated, nevermind severely dehydrated, the doctor would have noticed it. And Mayweather himself signed off on being 100% ready and fit for combat in 24 hours.

Dawson was also deemed fit to fight Ward. What point are you trying to make again?

Mayweather had banned fluids totaling 750 ML administered in the privacy of his home and was then given approval for a TUE (The****utic Use Exemption) close to 3 weeks after the fight. Mayweather received these fluids mere hours after a doctor had cleared him and deemed him ready for competition.

They weren't banned since the TUE was granted.

Mayweather does "vampire" facials, a cosmetic procedure that involves a reinjection of a gel-like substance—platelet rich fibrin matrix (PRFM)—derived from a patient's own blood back into multiple areas of the skin of their face to treat wrinkles. If Floyd's taking blood out of himself to reinject into his face, blood doping is certainly not something he would shy away from.
lol. You are worried about his beauty regimen too?

Look at how much you were wrong.
Anything else?

[Robbie Barrett]

Look at how much you were wrong.
Anything else?

You're completely destroying these Pac Stans but sadly you're wasting your time, it's been done before. They just repeat the same nonsense and other simple minded fools jump on the wagon because it sounds good to them.

[Rath]

Saw this in another thread .Too many red flags for people not to believe he was on PED's

Mayweather was sued by Pacquiao's lawyers motion to subpoena his drug test results, medical records, and contracts with USADA, Mayweather quickly settled the case and paid out a large sum of money in order to keep the requested information private. If Mayweather was clean and wanted to clean up the sport of boxing, why not offer full transparency?

This is inaccurate. USADA produced a total of 2,695 pages of documents in response to the subpoena from Mr. Pacquiao’s legal counsel between July 6 and August 21, 2012. Those documents were provided to Mr. Pacquiao’s legal counsel as well as representatives for Mr. Mayweather.

and then he settled to pay large amount of money.

Mayweather has a medical team, which is bizarre since no boxer should have his own medical team. Strength and conditioning coaches, yes. Nutrionist and personal chef, yes. Medical team? Absolutely not.

Um...ok...?

no lame comeback here? oh sorry this is the lame comeback


Mayweather was the subject of an explosive report that indicates that he failed 3 drug tests. Mayweather doesn't go to much length at all to deny this report, opting for the say-nothing-and-it-will-go away option. Mayweather accused Pac of being on PEDs. Pacquiao sued him. And WON.

Still waiting for Hauser's proof of the 3 drug tests. I imagine we will be waiting a long time.

waiting for what, Floyd already settles with Pac, how could he get that record? if Floyd sued Hauser for libel then we will see who's going to settle again

Mayweather tested 2X for having testosterone-to-epitesterone levels of .8 and .6, a massive red flag that points to doping. Usually when this happens, CIR testing is done as a follow up. Not only did USADA not follow up, but they refuse to do CIR testing because they deem that it is too expensive. VADA charged $16,000 for Provodnikov-Matthysse w/ CIR testing. USADA received $150,000 upfront from Team Mayweather for the Pacquiao fight. Red flag, red flag, red flag.

In fact, USADA performs extensive CIR testing as part of the professional boxing testing programs it conducts and has never declined to administer CIR testing. All 22 urine samples collected during the Mayweather/Pacquiao testing program were tested by CIR and for EPO.

22 urine samples? i thought they were only tested 13 times
For the sake of argument there were 22 urine sample/tests, how many test are performed on an olympic athlete in a span of 4 years? compared to Floyd vs Pac in a span of couple of months?

Mayweather rejected VADA testing. If clean, why reject the use of a qualified and effective testing agency that has caught people and is without controversy?

Maybe because he was doing testing with USADA...?


They could have done both, that was Pac's request, which Floyd rejected. instead he opt to pay 150k dollars US to USADA when they could pay both of them. it's a multi million dollar fight, they could even employ all testing agencies available. so who's rejected drug testing now?

Mayweather rejected a $5 million dollar fine for a positive result. If clean, why not just agree to it? It literally costs nothing and is an excellent insurance for both fighters.

He's afraid of $5million? Ok....?

did he accept the 5 million dollar fine for failed test or not?


Mayweather had USADA send out an agreement to Team Pacquiao that allowed a TUE to be retroactively granted in the event that a fighter tested positive for a prohibited drug. This agreement also ludicrously stated that neither the NSAC nor the opposing camp had to be notified. Mayweather actually wanted it in writing that he was allowed to dope.

Nope again. "It is important to recognize, however, that the Testing Agreement that was initially presented to the Pacquiao camp contained no specific reference to retroactive TUEs, but rather to the ISTUE which contains the specific retroactive TUE language."


lawyering for Floyd I see


Mayweather was seen by a doctor and approved and declared fit for combat on the day of the weigh in. If he was dehydrated, nevermind severely dehydrated, the doctor would have noticed it. And Mayweather himself signed off on being 100% ready and fit for combat in 24 hours.

Dawson was also deemed fit to fight Ward. What point are you trying to make again?


First Did Dawson adminsitered 750 ml of unknown substance thru IV infusion and was given TUE by USADA 21 days later?

Second we are not talking about Dawson here, make a thread about that and we'll discuss it there.

Mayweather had banned fluids totaling 750 ML administered in the privacy of his home and was then given approval for a TUE (The****utic Use Exemption) close to 3 weeks after the fight. Mayweather received these fluids mere hours after a doctor had cleared him and deemed him ready for competition.

They weren't banned since the TUE was granted.

They were banned at the time of the fight because the TUE was granted 21 days later after the fight. whoopsy daisy

Mayweather does "vampire" facials, a cosmetic procedure that involves a reinjection of a gel-like substance—platelet rich fibrin matrix (PRFM)—derived from a patient's own blood back into multiple areas of the skin of their face to treat wrinkles. If Floyd's taking blood out of himself to reinject into his face, blood doping is certainly not something he would shy away from.

lol. You are worried about his beauty regimen too?

being sarcastic is not one of your best suit but lame comeback is

just as i would have expected, you thought "vampire facial" is make up and lipsticks

what say you now isaac?

[travestyny]

what say you now isaac?

Rath, I've already kicked your dead corpse all around this forum. There is no need for you to respond to anything I write anymore.


Unless you want to....you know....have your dead corpse kicked around again.


Kick rocks, kid. You never have anything intelligent to say, and I don't wish to waste my time explaining the same things to you over and over again because you are incapable of understanding anything, or just in severe denial.

[monkeyboy]

Rath, I've already kicked your dead corpse all around this forum. There is no need for you to respond to anything I write anymore.


Unless you want to....you know....have your dead corpse kicked around again.


Kick rocks, kid. You never have anything intelligent to say, and I don't wish to waste my time explaining the same things to you over and over again because you are incapable of understanding anything, or just in severe denial.

Yeah, seriously. This guy is just sad. I'm not even anti-Pac and he's weeping about me 'telling lies'.

I thought this was going to be an interesting thread but it just turned into Pac/Mayweather bull shine. I'm out of it from here on.