who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Nubia]

Uh oh, the Pinoy boys are taking over. Time to go to sleep.

[Dosumpthin]

He doesn't know what flushing means. He thought it's like how you flush shyit lol

Still no direct answer.


You, among others, continuously provide these damaging pieces of evidence that point to floyd cheating in multiple threads despite being REPEATEDLY proven factually inaccurate on multiple occassions by multiple users in multiple threads.

Feels almost intentional.

Furthermore, the evidence (which has been FACTUALLY DISPROVEN OVERE AND OVER) is not even cohesive enough to even formualte a BASIC THEROY as to HOW he passed usada testing.

Instead the arguments hover around the validity of a IV supported by misqoutes ex cons and rumors sprinkled with a fact here and there.

Im not going to go through the process of disproving every allegation at this point. Its become redundant.

Instead I would like to discuss a simple theory as to how exactly FLOYD, not lance or shane, was able to pass multiple drug test with an IV.

Can anyone answer without a link or photoshopped pic of floyd? Anyone?

Add up all the evidence and present a reasonable theory as to how. Thanks

[Dosumpthin]

Response to your previous post.

1.
ADP02: "travestyny, WHy are you deflecting ......"
travestyny Response: "Because ....."

So you are admitting that you deflect!


2.
travestyny Response: "It's not USADA's job to talk to NSAC on behalf of Manny"

ADP02 Response: USADA shot Manny down but tried to protect Floyd. Why is USADA taking sides?

Secondly, according to NSAC, USADA did this all wrong and should be letting the NSAC know .... :
"“The TUE for Mayweather’s IV - and the IV was administered at Floyd’s house, not in a medical facility, and wasn’t brought to our attention at the time - was totally unacceptable. I’ve made it clear to Travis Tygart that this should not happen again. We have the sole authority to grant any and all TUEs in the state of Nevada. USADA is a drug-testing agency. USADA should not be granting waivers and exemptions. Not in this state. We are less than pleased that USADA acted the way it did.”


3. ADP02 Response: "I said this already .... there is no transparency."
travestyny Response: "Pacquaio negotiated for more transparency and it was granted."

So now you are admitting that there is an issue with transparency!

TO your point, Floyd was still allowed to get to use a prohibited method and had requested it like 18 days after the fight and the NSAC nor Manny knew about it until after the fight. Everyone was in the blind until after the fact. Even once they found out, you really think that the NSAC knows what really happened? You call that transparent?


4.travestyny Response: You explained something by saying mayyyybe there were some bad people within USADA
ADP02 Response: You do not get it. You may never get it. I BELIEVE YOU DO NOT WANT TO GET IT!!!

YOU keep on questioning us like as if USADA can hide everything and anything. Same with Floyd. That is not the way it works. WAKE UP!!! They need to be extra careful.

I even gave you an example with Lance Armstrong. He still needed a retroactive prescription because the 3rd party lab still sent in a positive test. Get it? I doubt it!



5. ADP02 Response: In the Lance Armstrong case, USADA was quoted as saying that its not ethical to get money from Lance's representatives. Well, that is what is going on with Floyd.
travestyny Response: no response


6. Memo Heredia:

Well, I'll tell you, me and Alex, we're both in the area of science; we both are strength conditioners. In other words, we are colleagues. Actually, since you brought this up, Alex and I, you know, we met recently. He consulted with me as the strength conditioner for Floyd for this coming f!ght. So we sat down and we had a good conversation, very long, and we talked about conditioning things and possibly some other projects

AH: Well, yes, he consulted me in some areas and then asked me to describe some possible things we could work with Floyd for this f!ght. You know, what angle I would take with Floyd for this particular f!ght. Obviously Alex and I have been against each other when he had Pacquiao and I had Marquez. You know, he's a great guy. He respects me and he respects my work and he admires my work, and I respect his and I admire his. We have two different systems. He has his own system and I have my system, but at the end of the day, it produces results. Now one thing that we discussed a lot is about presenting power punching for Floyd. Obviously his speed is amazing, his defense is incredible, so we talked different basis on that.


Now go check out what Memo would say about
SPIEGEL: What kind of relationship did you have with your athletes?

Heredia: Business ties. It was all about levels and dosing. I rarely spoke with Marion Jones. It was done through her coaches.



7. ADP02 Response: "Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated.......
travestyny Response: "..........."



8. travestyny Response: "AND NSAC LISTENED TO THE EVIDENCE AND AGREED FLOYD DID NOTHING WRONG. THANKS FOR PUTTING THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN!"

ADP02 Response: Evidence? Thanks for the laugh! With no transparency, all they (NSAC) recieved was:
1) Floyd requested TUE on May 18
2) USADA approved TUE
3) TUE was for the following prohibited method: IV

Also, Go check out my point 2 on what NSAC thought about this IV scandal. "Unacceptable"


9. ADP02 Response: "Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated. You have been avoiding the initial topic and deflecting. I'm sure you will continue too!"
travestyny Response: Deflected again!


10. ADP02 Response: "Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated.......
travestyny Response: "Pacquiao"

11. ADP02 Response: "Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated.......
travestyny Response: "Morales"

12. ADP02 Response: "Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated.......
travestyny Response: "NY commissions"

13. ADP02 Response: "Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated.......
travestyny Response: "I tripped you up"










.

You seem to very knowledgable on the subject of chemical science, contractual law, and sports medicine. Can you provide a theory as to HOW floyd passed multiple drug test?

[Spoon23]

Time to rap this up.. Nuclear bomb in 3,2,1..


After mistakes were made and TMT had to prepare themselves for damage control after it's found out weeks later they had to retroactively file for a TUE to cover their ass. No, I won't assume you're part of the damage control team tasked to "educate" the people if/when a ****storm arises from the revelation; so, nothing personal in this reply, okay? Ooops.

From everything I've read so far, the key issue with Floyd boils down to this TUE that was granted, and in his case, the RETROACTIVE TUE submitted weeks later.

Let me make an analogy based on processing medical claims in the insurance industry.

When a medical patient requires certain treatments that might not be covered by their insurance policy, they file a pre-authorization request for medical review & approval based on medical necessity. That's all done prior to the hospital admission to get the procedure done. This would be analogous to applying for a TUE prior to undergoing procedures regulated by WADA's code on prohibited substances/methods. For example, if a boxer truly suffers from Androgen Deficiency-Male Hypogonadism (one of the medical conditions listed on the website reviewable for TUE), a TUE could be granted to treat low testosterone.

When a patient has a medical emergency and seeks treatment in an out-of-area or out-of-network hospital (assuming they're on an HMO plan instead of PPO), a concurrent or retroactive review is done after the admission, to evaluate the medical necessity of the admission, to determine if it was a true medical emergency necessitating immediate treatment. The review is done after the fact. This would be analagous to applying for the retroactive TUE. It's done retroactively because there was urgency or medical necessity requiring the immediate treatment, and there was insufficient time to get pre-authorization. The key words here are "medical emergency." Was Floyd's TUE due to a medical emergency?

For anyone who wants to review the full code themselves, go to:
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/what-we-...use-exemptions
On that page, there's a download link for a pdf entitled "wada_medical_info_iv_infusions_4.0_en.pdf", or you can just enter this url to get the download:
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....ons_4.0_en.pdf


Floyd's case since the saline/vitamins is NOT a "Prohibited Substance." Curiously, that's the case where a retroactive TUE is acceptable. It makes sense because a prohibited substance may be introduced because of a true medical emergency.

TUE is required by Floyd since it is a "Prohibited Method" because "more than 50 mL of fluid per a 6-hour period is infused." It's also inferred that the volume Floyd infused would have been acceptable IF it was during "a concurrent hospital admission, surgical procedure or clinical investigation," in which case a TUE is NOT required because there is an apparent medical emergency. But that wasn't Floyd's case, was it? No, he did it in the comfort of home. Thus, he broke WADA's code.

My guess is that they realized too late that they misinterpreted the code so they scrambled weeks later to get the TUE retroactively (and you were enlisted for damage control to "educate" us...LOL).

Okay, now that everyone has the full WADA pdf to cross-reference, I can save time & space not having to copy/paste the relevant sections of the code here, and I can ask the following questions:

Relating to section "2. Diagnosis"

1. Does Floyd have a documented medical history of chronic dehydration necessitating medical intervention & IV infusion?
2. Who was the treating physician? (I don't think Memo & Ariza have medical degrees; and I doubt the USADA reps were licensed MDs.)
3. Is Floyd & the USADA willing to show the copy of the TUE application? If so & they have nothing to hide, will the application clearly show the precise description of the clinical situation & specific medical indication for the IV infusion; the name of the treating physician; the ICD-10 code E86.0 or E87.1; and all the other relevant medical information listed in sub-section C?
4. Why was oral rehydration not a valid option? What was the existing co-morbidity that ruled it out as an option?


Relating to section "3. Medical best practice treatment"

1. Was Floyd experiencing a medical emergency? (He obviously was not under inpatient care, in which case the volume he infused would not have required a TUE, retroactive or not.)
2. What is the supporting evidence that no alternative treatment (i.e.--drinking orally) could have been used?
3. Who was the ordering physician, and who were the qualified medical personnel to perform the treatment?
4. Why wasn't the infusion done in an appropriate medical setting instead of at home?

The following paragraph in this section is significantly telling:

The use of IV infusions in sport is commonly linked with rehydration after
exhaustive effort, and this situation is arguably the major cause of debate. It
must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to
correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated
by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence
to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice, potentially
even more effective than IV infusion.
(Ref: 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16)


Relating to section "5. Consequences to health if treatment withheld"

1. Was Floyd truly in a state of medical emergency, where serious harm or death would occur without immediate medical intervention with an infusion?

[If I recall correctly from video of his weigh-in, he was able to easily walk around unassisted. Some truly dehydrated fighters have to remain sitting, lacking the strength to stand, so much as walk around...and they might be candidates for IV infusions. And I assume he was orally re-hydrating too immediately after the weigh-in; he seems to always have a bottle of water when he's conducting interviews.]

2. Observing Floyd's physical demeanor during the weigh-in, we can accept he might have had "mild to moderate" dehydration. So it begs the question...what additional physical training did he do after the weigh-in and before going home that dehydrated him beyond a "mild to moderate" level, creating a medical emergency requiring an IV infusion?


The rest of the sections are self-explanatory.

Anyway, in conclusion, based on the IV infusion apparently not being a medical emergency (in which case there should have been a hospital admission, and over 50ml infusion allowable without a TUE), we can conclude that Floyd broke WADA code...and the IV was intended to mask or alter his biological blood values. And the USADA did not correctly uphold & enforce the WADA code, to which they are signatory. And I still question, if the story is true, why USADA would only take urine samples before and after observing a procedure that potentially affects blood values.

'Nuff said.

[Dosumpthin]

Time to rap this up.. Nuclear bomb in 3,2,1..


After mistakes were made and TMT had to prepare themselves for damage control after it's found out weeks later they had to retroactively file for a TUE to cover their ass. No, I won't assume you're part of the damage control team tasked to "educate" the people if/when a ****storm arises from the revelation; so, nothing personal in this reply, okay? Ooops.

From everything I've read so far, the key issue with Floyd boils down to this TUE that was granted, and in his case, the RETROACTIVE TUE submitted weeks later.

Let me make an analogy based on processing medical claims in the insurance industry.

When a medical patient requires certain treatments that might not be covered by their insurance policy, they file a pre-authorization request for medical review & approval based on medical necessity. That's all done prior to the hospital admission to get the procedure done. This would be analogous to applying for a TUE prior to undergoing procedures regulated by WADA's code on prohibited substances/methods. For example, if a boxer truly suffers from Androgen Deficiency-Male Hypogonadism (one of the medical conditions listed on the website reviewable for TUE), a TUE could be granted to treat low testosterone.

When a patient has a medical emergency and seeks treatment in an out-of-area or out-of-network hospital (assuming they're on an HMO plan instead of PPO), a concurrent or retroactive review is done after the admission, to evaluate the medical necessity of the admission, to determine if it was a true medical emergency necessitating immediate treatment. The review is done after the fact. This would be analagous to applying for the retroactive TUE. It's done retroactively because there was urgency or medical necessity requiring the immediate treatment, and there was insufficient time to get pre-authorization. The key words here are "medical emergency." Was Floyd's TUE due to a medical emergency?

For anyone who wants to review the full code themselves, go to:
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/what-we-...use-exemptions
On that page, there's a download link for a pdf entitled "wada_medical_info_iv_infusions_4.0_en.pdf", or you can just enter this url to get the download:
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....ons_4.0_en.pdf


Floyd's case since the saline/vitamins is NOT a "Prohibited Substance." Curiously, that's the case where a retroactive TUE is acceptable. It makes sense because a prohibited substance may be introduced because of a true medical emergency.

TUE is required by Floyd since it is a "Prohibited Method" because "more than 50 mL of fluid per a 6-hour period is infused." It's also inferred that the volume Floyd infused would have been acceptable IF it was during "a concurrent hospital admission, surgical procedure or clinical investigation," in which case a TUE is NOT required because there is an apparent medical emergency. But that wasn't Floyd's case, was it? No, he did it in the comfort of home. Thus, he broke WADA's code.

My guess is that they realized too late that they misinterpreted the code so they scrambled weeks later to get the TUE retroactively (and you were enlisted for damage control to "educate" us...LOL).

Okay, now that everyone has the full WADA pdf to cross-reference, I can save time & space not having to copy/paste the relevant sections of the code here, and I can ask the following questions:

Relating to section "2. Diagnosis"

1. Does Floyd have a documented medical history of chronic dehydration necessitating medical intervention & IV infusion?
2. Who was the treating physician? (I don't think Memo & Ariza have medical degrees; and I doubt the USADA reps were licensed MDs.)
3. Is Floyd & the USADA willing to show the copy of the TUE application? If so & they have nothing to hide, will the application clearly show the precise description of the clinical situation & specific medical indication for the IV infusion; the name of the treating physician; the ICD-10 code E86.0 or E87.1; and all the other relevant medical information listed in sub-section C?
4. Why was oral rehydration not a valid option? What was the existing co-morbidity that ruled it out as an option?


Relating to section "3. Medical best practice treatment"

1. Was Floyd experiencing a medical emergency? (He obviously was not under inpatient care, in which case the volume he infused would not have required a TUE, retroactive or not.)
2. What is the supporting evidence that no alternative treatment (i.e.--drinking orally) could have been used?
3. Who was the ordering physician, and who were the qualified medical personnel to perform the treatment?
4. Why wasn't the infusion done in an appropriate medical setting instead of at home?

The following paragraph in this section is significantly telling:

The use of IV infusions in sport is commonly linked with rehydration after
exhaustive effort, and this situation is arguably the major cause of debate. It
must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to
correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated
by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence
to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice, potentially
even more effective than IV infusion.
(Ref: 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16)


Relating to section "5. Consequences to health if treatment withheld"

1. Was Floyd truly in a state of medical emergency, where serious harm or death would occur without immediate medical intervention with an infusion?

[If I recall correctly from video of his weigh-in, he was able to easily walk around unassisted. Some truly dehydrated fighters have to remain sitting, lacking the strength to stand, so much as walk around...and they might be candidates for IV infusions. And I assume he was orally re-hydrating too immediately after the weigh-in; he seems to always have a bottle of water when he's conducting interviews.]

2. Observing Floyd's physical demeanor during the weigh-in, we can accept he might have had "mild to moderate" dehydration. So it begs the question...what additional physical training did he do after the weigh-in and before going home that dehydrated him beyond a "mild to moderate" level, creating a medical emergency requiring an IV infusion?


The rest of the sections are self-explanatory.

Anyway, in conclusion, based on the IV infusion apparently not being a medical emergency (in which case there should have been a hospital admission, and over 50ml infusion allowable without a TUE), we can conclude that Floyd broke WADA code...and the IV was intended to mask or alter his biological blood values. And the USADA did not correctly uphold & enforce the WADA code, to which they are signatory. And I still question, if the story is true, why USADA would only take urine samples before and after observing a procedure that potentially affects blood values.

'Nuff said.

And this is what im trying to avoid. Not because i dont understand the information you provided. In fact i see many holes in your conclusion. Its because it has been rebuttaled on NUMEROUS occassions in MULTIPLE threads. This is why i will avoid engaging a discussion on each individual point of your post because its redundant. We both know, you arent posting anything that hasnt been discussed since october 2015.


In short......
Truth is you dont have definitive proof. Its the reality of the situation. Only speculation of a medical condtion and intentions of TMT.

Yet you were able to draw a conclusion that the purpose was to alter the test. This is considered logically flawed.

But never mind that.


What im interested in is beyond the validity of the IV. FACTS ARE usada approved, its legal under NSAC, and WADA has not reversed or penalized USADAS actions.

What im interested in....if what you say is indeed found to be true, you are accussing him of altering the outcome of drug test perfromed AFTER the IV. THATS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. thats the discussion i want to have right now.


So floyd was able to beat USADA may 2nd blood test with an IV. According to you.


I want to know you and anyone else official stance. Are you saying he passed the other drug test aswell in the same manner? Do the other drug test leading up to IV even matter? Was the IV manipulation blood doping an isolated event that helped for the next day only? Were the peds used during training?


These questions are presented due to the overwellming evidence that is presented. The evidence suggest ALL of the above.....which isnt practical. The accusations right now is hes guilty of EVERYTHING. its a pretty big conspiracy.


WITH A LOT OF "EVIDENCE". But for the sake of argument.....can anyone for the record state how they think he used PEDS for its intended adavntage while PASSING ALL DRUG TEST?

I have yet to get or see a reasonably thought out answer since september. However everyone is a medical expert on EPO and dehydration , via school of thomas hauser MD, but not savy enough to explain HOW. **** explaining WHY. we arent even close to that discussion. Im still stuck on HOW?


How do you propose he passed all drug testing while utilizing the advantages of PEDS?

[Spoon23]

And this is what im trying to avoid. Not because i dont understand the information you provided. In fact i see many holes in your conclusion. Its because it has been rebuttaled on NUMEROUS occassions in MULTIPLE threads. This is why i will avoid engaging a discussion on each individual point of your post because its redundant. We both know, you arent posting anything that hasnt been discussed since october 2015.


In short......
Truth is you dont have definitive proof. Its the reality of the situation. Only speculation of a medical condtion and intentions of TMT.

Yet you were able to draw a conclusion that the purpose was to alter the test. This is considered logically flawed.

But never mind that.


What im interested in is beyond the validity of the IV. FACTS ARE usada approved, its legal under NSAC, and WADA has not reversed or penalized USADAS actions.

What im interested in....if what you say is indeed found to be true, you are accussing him of altering the outcome of drug test perfromed AFTER the IV. THATS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. thats the discussion i want to have right now.


So floyd was able to beat USADA may 2nd blood test with an IV. According to you.


I want to know you and anyone else official stance. Are you saying he passed the other drug test aswell in the same manner? Do the other drug test leading up to IV even matter? Was the IV manipulation blood doping an isolated event that helped for the next day only? Were the peds used during training?


These questions are presented due to the overwellming evidence that is presented. The evidence suggest ALL of the above.....which isnt practical. The accusations right now is hes guilty of EVERYTHING. its a pretty big conspiracy.


WITH A LOT OF "EVIDENCE". But for the sake of argument.....can anyone for the record state how they think he used PEDS for its intended adavntage while PASSING ALL DRUG TEST?

I have yet to get or see a reasonably thought out answer since september. However everyone is a medical expert on EPO and dehydration , via school of thomas hauser MD, but not savy enough to explain HOW. **** explaining WHY. we arent even close to that discussion. Im still stuck on HOW?


How do you propose he passed all drug testing while utilizing the advantages of PEDS?

Lol okay.. In short no proof will ever improve your reading comprehension, Just be a blind sheep or you can take the matrix pill and maybe only then you can open your fl0mo mind

# it's called reading between the lines.

[Rath]

[IMG]https://media.*****.com/media/26BkLCUdp1lqUA2JO/*****.gif[/IMG]

you spelled Philpins

C O L U M B I A

that is what is wrong withchu Stevie boy

just like ring announcer spelling Red Corner

B L U E

LOL

[Spoon23]

you spelled Philpins

C O L U M B I A

that is what is wrong withchu Stevie boy

just like ring announcer spelling Red Corner

B L U E

LOL

Nailed it hahaha

That dude doesnt know how to score a fight even more so how to detect peds lol

Considerthis forgot to consider that part lmao

[travestyny]

Response to your previous post.

1.
ADP02: "travestyny, WHy are you deflecting ......"
travestyny Response: "Because ....."
So you are admitting that you deflect!

This is what we call a "b*tch move." Why didn't you finish what you wrote after deflecting? You accused me of deflecting to talking about another commission and boxer, and I explained why. Way to discuss the merits.

2.
travestyny Response: "It's not USADA's job to talk to NSAC on behalf of Manny"

Your response here was more blah blah blah. Pacquaio has to disclose his injured shoulder (correction: non-injured shoulder/desire for toradol) to NSAC. This is clear and NSAC stated it clearly when they said they were never informed by Pacquaio. As for NSAC and USADA, they seem to have reconciled the issue, right? What you are doing is like going back to the points of an argument that has already been settled. Squirming again.


3. ADP02 Response: "I said this already .... there is no transparency."
travestyny Response: "Pacquaio negotiated for more transparency and it was granted."

So now you are admitting that there is an issue with transparency!

Yes, there was an issue with transparency. That is because... Pacquaio had an issue with transparency!!! lol. And he negotiated for more transparency. Can I be any more clear?


TO your point, Floyd was still allowed to get to use a prohibited method and had requested it like 18 days after the fight and the NSAC nor Manny knew about it until after the fight. Everyone was in the blind until after the fact. Even once they found out, you really think that the NSAC knows what really happened? You call that transparent?

The code covers a TUE for a substance or method that will bring the boxer back to normal health. I'm sorry if you are trying to spin that to mean he can test positive and hide it. IT'S A BLATANT LIE BY YOU AND HAUSER. STOP IT! If Pacquaio wanted different rules for TUEs or no retroactive TUEs, they should have negotiated for it. His lawyers had access to the ISTUE, didn't they? Obviously they did!

THEY WERE NOTIFIED, BUT EVEN IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING TOO LATE, THEY WERE GIVEN THE ISTUE TO REVIEW. NO RULES WERE HIDDEN!!! Again, If Pacquaio didn't like this, he should have negotiated for something different. Obviously his lawyers read the ISTUE, no? Maybe he should get better lawyers!

4.travestyny Response: You explained something by saying mayyyybe there were some bad people within USADA
ADP02 Response: You do not get it. You may never get it. I BELIEVE YOU DO NOT WANT TO GET IT!!!

YOU keep on questioning us like as if USADA can hide everything and anything. Same with Floyd. That is not the way it works. WAKE UP!!! They need to be extra careful.
Dude, are you serious? He gave them millions of dollars and doesn't know when they are coming to collect? He also still has to beat the tests and mask PEDs. PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT YOU BELIEVE HE PAID FOR, SINCE YOU KNOW SO MUCH! I'LL BE WAITING FOR THIS ANSWER IN PARTICULAR


I even gave you an example with Lance Armstrong.

WHY ARE YOU DEFLECTING....

5. ADP02 Response: In the Lance Armstrong case, USADA was quoted as saying that its not ethical to get money from Lance's representatives. Well, that is what is going on with Floyd.
travestyny Response: no response

If I didn't respond, it's because I didn't think it was worthy of a response. But if you'd like to discuss, who should be responsible for paying for the testing? I'll wait...


6. Memo Heredia:

All of this mumbo jumbo about Heredia makes no sense and is one of the weakest things you've mentioned, which is amazing with all of the weak crap you've spewed. 1. He had a conversation with Ariza. 2. In the past when he delivered PED's, he never talked to the athlete directly. Conclusion: He gave Floyd PED's. Is that your stance? I want you to answer the question. IS THAT YOUR STANCE? You should really take some logic classes. This is simply idiotic.



7. ADP02 Response: "Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated.......
travestyny Response: Still waiting for your proof that he wasn't. Go look up burden of proof again.



8. travestyny Response: "AND NSAC LISTENED TO THE EVIDENCE AND AGREED FLOYD DID NOTHING WRONG. THANKS FOR PUTTING THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN!"

ADP02 Response: Evidence? Thanks for the laugh! With no transparency, all they (NSAC) recieved was:
1) Floyd requested TUE on May 18
2) USADA approved TUE
3) TUE was for the following prohibited method: IV

HOW IS THAT NO TRANSPARENCY WHEN YOU JUST WROTE WHAT THEY RECEIVED? LOL. Congratulations, you just managed to contradict yourself in one single breath of written English. NSAC is fine with Floyd and has no issue with USADA anymore. Haven't you got the memo?

"Floyd has always been a proponent of drug testing, which I applaud. He's set a fine example for all to emulate," Bennett said. "He's never tested positive in his entire career for any performance-enhancing drugs and, as a commission, we have no problem with Floyd Mayweather." NSAC Executive Director


Also, Go check out my point 2 on what NSAC thought about this IV scandal. "Unacceptable"

Also, check where this is no longer an issue except with Pacroaches Apparently the NSAC understands that IV's are not illegal under its protocol, realizes that there would be no reason to issue a TUE, and has moved on.

9. ADP02 Response: "Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated. You have been avoiding the initial topic and deflecting. I'm sure you will continue too!

Still waiting for your proof that he wasn't. Go look up burden of proof again.


10. ADP02 Response: "Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated.......
travestyny Response: Still waiting for your proof that he wasn't. Go look up burden of proof again.

11. ADP02 Response: "Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated.......
travestyny Response: Still waiting for your proof that he wasn't. Go look up burden of proof again.

12. ADP02 Response: "Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated.......
travestyny Response: Still waiting for your proof that he wasn't. Go look up burden of proof again.
13. ADP02 Response: "Still waiting for your proof that Floyd was severely dehydrated.......
travestyny Response: The proof is that a physician gave him an IV, USADA gave him a TUE, NSAC had no problem with any of it. Now, disprove what they found. Go!



.

Is that more clear for you? Please come with something that makes some sense next time. You are embarrassing yourself. Should I repost your list of contradictions?

[Spoon23]

Is that more clear for you? Please come with something that makes some sense next time. You are embarrassing yourself. Should I repost your list of contradictions?

Live to fight another day bud.. I know that comprehension isn't one of your strong suits. But you got iced!

You're ADP02s biatch now