Comments Thread For: Sanchez: Canelo Can Be 155, But Golovkin Will Weigh 160!

[petegrif]

"Like I've said all along if GGG get the WBC by it being vacated its pointless and does nothing for him. It's not about belts it's about names and GGG is in no position to negotiate with Canelo. If K2 is happy with him being where he's at fine but his profile won't get higher if he gets a vacated belt instead of facing a name for it."

There is definitely truth to this but IMHO it overlooks something rather important. GGG's career has momentum. He continues to build a record and fanbase. Collecting belts isn't meaningless. When it comes to the negotiations for a really big fight (I always thought that was going to be Ward GGG but Ward moved up) it matters that you have all those belts and the most possible fans because it influences the negotiations - not least because it influences how the fight can be marketed. It is not meaningless to deliver the message "GGG undefeated, undisputed unified title holder, 30 consecutive KOs" vs "some badass with serious credentials" This is how you build a really big fight. SO imho you underestimate the value of picking up the titles and continuing to win.

[The plunger man]

You may be right that the extra 5lbs might take a toll and it may not be right and there should be same day weigh ins. And in a perfectly fair world Canelo /GGG would fight at 160 because their both the same size

But life isn't fair and I don't care because for the last 3 years all K2 has been saying is anyone from 154-168 can get it. Canelo wants 155 it's still in that wheelhouse where anyone can get it so make the fight don't try to dictate when you have no leverage or be happy taking a meaningless belt with no name attached to it.

As far as Canelo please don't make excuses he fought trout 6 months prior at 153 he said he'd fight Floyd at 152 and Mayweather held him and his team to his word was it fair /right I don't know but they opened their mouth and Mayweather made them back up their talk. The extra 1 pound wouldn't have made a difference IMO. I don't like Canelo but I give the dude credit he genuinely wants big fig fights and wants to be great and did what he needed to do to make the fight and now he gets to flex on his opponets because of that. Now if This fight does happen GGG going to have to be the one to get flexed on.

It's mandatory..no need to get flexed...the point is canelo done the weight drain off his own back.....golovkin don't need to....as I said 157 if he can lose and still be fighting fit then yeah....but in no way losing five pound to accommodate canelo...it's like mayweather asking canelo to boil down to 148 lbs.....big difference to canelos 152 isn't it....

[ThatDude44]

GGG has stepped aside from his mandatory shot 3 times now. He isn't going to keep doing it forever.

If Canelo persists with his CW demands after the Khan fight, assuming he wins it, K2 should say no deal and demand that the WBC sticks to their word and strips him of the belt.

GGG will then become WBC champ by default and hopefully WBA champ by the end of the year.

Canelo can't keep hiding at 155 forever, and GGG will have all the MW belts. If Canelo wants to stay relevant, and keep the fan base he has right now, he's going to have to fight Golovkin sooner or later.

Some people hate the Khan-Canelo.fight and some people like it. One thing is for sure though, everyone is talking about it. Canelo can stay relevant without GGG. Both their fights were announced the same day and nobody gave a damn about GGG's.

[onetwopunch]

Canelo should fight GGG, and come in at any weight he feels comfortable, as long as neither fighter goes over 160lbs. I am not convinced that either fighter is great, I think GGG is a very good offensive fighter, and Canelo is a very good overall fighter. Canelo has face the better opposition as far as skill goes. Win or loose these 2 have to fight, and it wont take anything away from the other win or loose they both win and the fans win.

[cork]

Some people hate the Khan-Canelo.fight and some people like it. One thing is for sure though, everyone is talking about it. Canelo can stay relevant without GGG. Both their fights were announced the same day and nobody gave a damn about GGG's.

I can guarantee you if GGG opponent was Garcia or brook for a title it be the most scrutinize talk on boxing.

[Larry the boss]

The A-side has spoken

[hitking]

Like I've said all along if GGG get the WBC by it being vacated its pointless and does nothing for him. It's not about belts it's about names and GGG is in no position to negotiate with Canelo. If K2 is happy with him being where he's at fine but his profile won't get higher if he gets a vacated belt instead of facing a name for it.

I don't like Canelo I hope they do fight and GGG sends him into retirement at 155-160 but that doesn't change the fact Canelo has the power. Nelo had to take it with no Vaseline against Floyd. Floyd got ****d by Oscar it's just the way it goes

Abel was more then happy to bump the gums about Mayweather at 154 more then happy to say they'd figt Ward at 164. Just shut the f.uck up get ****d in negotiations and take it out on him in the ring.

End thread.

[kafkod]

Some people hate the Khan-Canelo.fight and some people like it. One thing is for sure though, everyone is talking about it. Canelo can stay relevant without GGG. Both their fights were announced the same day and nobody gave a damn about GGG's.

Everybody knew that GGG was going to be fighting Wade a week before it was announced ... it's a mandatory fight, and not one to get excited about.

Canelo vs Khan was a bombshell that came out of the blue, and it's Khan moving up 2 divisions for Canelo that everybody is talking about.

Khan is the one getting all the praise for his balls and audacity. Have you seen ANYBODY giving Canelo respect for taking this fight?

Even if Canelo crushes Kahn he is going to get no praise for doing it. If he then gets stripped for refusing to fight at GGG at 160, his popularity and reputation will take a massive hit..

He's getting a lot of money for fighting Khan, but unless he follows it up by defending against Golovkin at 160, it's a terrible match-up for Canelo in every respect except the financial.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

sure i totally believe everything team ggg says i mean they have only told us they will not take any step aside money only to do it 3 times now why would they lie

Not true,nthen said they wouldn't take it after Cotto, and they didn't. WBC gave Canelo a interim fight.

"To force him down to a certain weight, that's unacceptable."

But it was acceptable when you wanted to force Andre Ward down to 164. Isn't that right, Abel Sanchez?

Two separate situations. Ward and GGG would meet in middle.

That's it though isn't it? I remember reading not that long ago, they were saying GGG was ready for anyone 154-168 or thereabouts. Now a 180 flip? Sorry Abel, A.) Your guy is the B side vs Canelo. You don't make the rules. B.) You said all comers 154-168, so own up to it. Or talk less. Probably - TALK LESS - would be a good move at this point.

154, 160, 168 are weight classes. The statement anyone from 154-168 means anyone from those weight classes. And they've always followed it up if it made sense.

155, it's not a weight class. Canelo isn't a 155 fighter. He can't make 154 and holds titles at 160.

But life isn't fair and I don't care because for the last 3 years all K2 has been saying is anyone from 154-168 can get it. Canelo wants 155 it's still in that wheelhouse.
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You're selectively reading the quote. 154-168 means weight classes, not anyone at any weight in between 154-168.

They didn't say we would fight any fighters from 154-168 and whatever weight they choose.

One thing is for sure though, everyone is talking about it.

Sure, and they said that before the Cotto fight,but in the lead up and after, Canelo couldn't escape questions about ggg.

You can expect the same thing to happen here, but even worse. Everyone knows the outcome of Khanelo. What everyone still wants to know is Canelo gonna man up or vacate.

Until Canelo fights GGG, he'll be asked about it.

The Khan fight isn't popular with most hardcore so, at least from what I can tell.

[hitking]

It's mandatory..no need to get flexed...the point is canelo done the weight drain off his own back.....golovkin don't need to....as I said 157 if he can lose and still be fighting fit then yeah....but in no way losing five pound to accommodate canelo...it's like mayweather asking canelo to boil down to 148 lbs.....big difference to canelos 152 isn't it....

The main reason why Floyd got somewhat of a pass on the catchweight with Canelo is because Nelo had previously said he'd come down to 150. Plus, the manner in which Floyd won left little doubt as to whether the fight would have been different at the full 154 limit.

Same with the Nelo-GGG situation. GGG is on record saying he'd come down to 154 to fight Floyd. So logic says that if you'll do 154 for Floyd, why not 155 for Canelo? Plus, he asked Ward to come down to 164. So unless you're a completely irrational fanboy. There's quite a bit of hypocrisy coming from GGG's camp on weight issues.