Should Manny Still Be Placed Above Floyd On The ATG List?

[BoxingIsGreat]

I really don't get the double standard with the JMM thing. One could say I borderline hate Floyd (i do not discredit his genius in the ring though ). That's the same weight JMM knocked Manny out and JMM was also younger then.



Pacquiao beat some of these guys not just after we knew they were past it but even past that (De la Hoya, Marg, Shane?). Imagine...you're the "killer" at your weight... Lets say GGG. Now lets say GGG's next fight is vs Sergio Martinez. That's how ridiculous the de la hoya and mosley fights were for Pacquiao lol. Is William Joppy a bad ass for beating Duran? Come on.

Floyd is significantly above Pacquiao.... I'd even rank JMM above Pacquiao. Simply put...they were better fighters. Doesnt matter if Pacquiao could knock God/Jesus/Allah/Buddha or (insert deity here) if he is still getting merc'd by JMM or horrifically outboxed by Mayweather. If someone is better than you they belong above you. Simple as that. When it's all said and done, if Pac shared ANY division with JMM or Floyd he's already not even the best fighter at that division.

Floyd can still go eff himself for all I care and JMM says he wants two more fights? Unless he's fighting Eric Morales or Jorge Arce he's gonna get knocked out

A lot of good points. I think similar.

[BlackSoul]

hatton was undefeated @140lbs.

Hatton record @147 was 0 win - 0 loss - 0 KO - 0 draw.

would you like to rethink your opinion?

the question should not be who beat him first. they cannot fight hatton at the same time can they?

was Pac already @147 when Floyd beats hatton?

the question should be who beat hatton better?

of course not bc then we have to get into semantics.
hatton got KO'd by mayweather before pacq got to him so he was able to study film on the ONE person that beat him before pacq got in the ring with him.
also pacquiao has 3 THREE KNOCKOUT LOSSES.
he was stopped earlier in his career by NOBODIES

[BlackSoul]

3....

135,140,147

he's already in the 135 weight div so when someone has to break it down in laymans terms
135-140 = 1 weight class
140-147 = 2 weight classes

[Rath]

of course not bc then we have to get into semantics.
hatton got KO'd by mayweather before pacq got to him so he was able to study film on the ONE person that beat him before pacq got in the ring with him.
also pacquiao has 3 THREE KNOCKOUT LOSSES.
he was stopped earlier in his career by NOBODIES

marquez got Knocked down by Pac 4 times before Floyd got to him so he was able to study film on the ONE person that beat him before Floyd got in the ring with him.

Marques was beaten by Chris John at his own weight before floyd got into him

Pac was stopped by nobodies, TBE can not even hurt him.

[Crazylegs77]

Pac never fought Baldomir, Berto or Gatti. Manny simply cannot be placed above Floyd.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Floyd is higher...

You can't say floyd only fought him after the marquez ko, when in reality, floyd came back in 2009, picked manny's biggest rival as a tune up fight to build towards a manny fight, a 50/50 split was agreed on, and then manny refused extensive drug testing, which started a chain reaction of he said/she said that lasted for years between the 2 camps.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Floyd only agreed to fight Manny after he was devastatingly KOd by Marquez and out cold for 5 minutes. A KO like that is going to take something away from a fighter and we could see in the Brandon Rios fight which followed that Marquez defeat, Manny couldn't even stop Rios while relatively light hitting Bradley was able to recently.

Had Manny and Floyd fought prime for primer perhaps the outcome would have been different? Some even believe that Manny beat Floyd in the fight regardless.

It has to be said that, for the most part, Manny has faced some very dangerous opposition although there are catchweight issues with De La Hoya and Cotto, he did face Margarito above 147 at a 150 catchweight and that's a fighter who actually sent Floyd into "retirement", similar to how Khan has recently, without even landing a glove on him.

While Khan of course should rightfully considered above them both on the ATG list due to them both avoiding him in recent times, that reality aside, should Manny still be placed above Floyd ATG-wise due to Floyd essentially facing a faded Pacquiao?

Pacquiao definitely accomplished more by coming from poverty in the Phillippines to the U.S. and kicking everyone's ass for years- Barrera, Marquez, Morales, De La Hoya, Hatton, Mosley.

He also didn't retire in the middle of his career.

As far as titles and what not, they're nearly irrelevant these days anyway.

As far as opposition, Pac took everybody on while Mayweather was picky. He even fought Margarito who made him look like the "midget" he is so often called and he didn't just beat him. He beat his face to shreds.

Pacquiao came up fighting Barrera, Morales and Marquez- three tough assignments to say the least.

Yes.

Pacquiao all the way.

[Rath]

Pacquiao definitely accomplished more by coming from poverty in the Phillippines to the U.S. and kicking everyone's ass for years- Barrera, Marquez, Morales, De La Hoya, Hatton, Mosley.

He also didn't retire in the middle of his career.

As far as titles and what not, they're nearly irrelevant these days anyway.

As far as opposition, Pac took everybody on while Mayweather was picky. He even fought Margarito who made him look like the "midget" he is so often called and he didn't just beat him. He beat his face to shreds.

Pacquiao came up fighting Barrera, Morales and Marquez- three tough assignments to say the least.

Yes.

Pacquiao all the way.

Pac 8 division world champion

Pac fighter of the decade

Floyd Best Resume 2015

Floyd best resume of the decade.

[Spoon23]

Pac never fought Baldomir, Berto or Gatti. Manny simply cannot be placed above Floyd.

Close thread. This takes the cake!

[BlackSoul]

marquez got Knocked down by Pac 4 times before Floyd got to him so he was able to study film on the ONE person that beat him before Floyd got in the ring with him.

Marques was beaten by Chris John at his own weight before floyd got into him

Pac was stopped by nobodies, TBE can not even hurt him.

you right mayweather couldnt hurt pacq at all but why is the reason pacq didnt rush in like he always do? hmmm pacquaio got knocked down by a JAB in his career and was HURT and got KO'D 3 times hasnt had a KO since 2009 but he's known as a "power puncher" his best win is barrerra manny pacauio clearly ducked ZAHIR RAHEEM at 135 but who did he fight at 135 was it the consensus champ at 135? we all know HELL NO.
EVERY last fight that pacq is known for there is some kind of stipulation in his clauses whether catchweight, coming off a loss, or light puncher he has a c- resume and it really cant be defended by anyone who knows boxing.
he was a HYPE job and he did what he was supposed to do as far as making hbo $ if he was any good he would step up to 154 and try to fight canelo alvarez at a catchweight like mayweather did even tho that wouldnt work bc he wouldnt be the a- side in that fight.
pacquiao wont fight the beasts at 140, 147 OR 154 bc he KNOWS better
he's a MARGINAL fighter and thats what ppl will remember him for once the hype goes away and ppl actually analyze his record for what it is