Should Manny Still Be Placed Above Floyd On The ATG List?

[Combat Talk Radio]

one of the worst title fights in recent history...neither were ever ranked at 154 before or after this fight....Maragrito lost every fight he had over 147 and Pac fought another big name at a cacthweight after a bad beating....no he gets very little credit...irs not about who you beat but about when in their career as well

Which would be saying that Joe Calzaghe doesn't deserve to be considered an ATG.

[IMDAZED]

Which would be saying that Joe Calzaghe doesn't deserve to be considered an ATG.

Calzaghe is a HOF'er and a great fighter. But ATG to me is top 50-100. I'm not convinced he's there but I'd have to make a list first.

[madsweeney]

Probably because you subtracted the two years after the KO where Pacquiao proved himself with a win over Bradley who is an elite fighter. Little details like that, you know?

Oh, so you do admit you hold Pac and Floyd to different standards.

Getting outboxes while trying a higher weight class is a greater diminished then getting KTFO and waiting as skills diminish more

Floyd's win over Marquez (forcing him to jump 3 weight classes and Floyd came in overweight) is greater than Pac beating him in his prime, in his best weight class and meeting contracted weight.

No problem, double-standards I get it. You're just not an objective fan, more of a fanboy.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Calzaghe is a HOF'er and a great fighter. But ATG to me is top 50-100. I'm not convinced he's there but I'd have to make a list first.

And I would struggle not to include Calzaghe on the list and I say that as someone who wasn't a fan specifically. His resume can't be discounted, it just can't - forget the record itself.

[hugh grant]

And I would struggle not to include Calzaghe on the list and I say that as someone who wasn't a fan specifically. His resume can't be discounted, it just can't - forget the record itself.

JC deserves atg status solely on being underdog against lacy he needs compensation for that alone

[DinoCop]

Mayweather whitewashed his closest rival...

Doesn't the black cloth make white clothes black if you wash them together?

[Reloaded]

Oh, so you do admit you hold Pac and Floyd to different standards.

Getting outboxes while trying a higher weight class is a greater diminished then getting KTFO and waiting as skills diminish more

Floyd's win over Marquez (forcing him to jump 3 weight classes and Floyd came in overweight) is greater than Pac beating him in his prime, in his best weight class and meeting contracted weight.

No problem, double-standards I get it. You're just not an objective fan, more of a fanboy.

For a start Floyd did not force JMM up 3 weight classes , JMM had 2 big wins at 140 and called Floyd out who had been out of the ring for nearly 2 years and JMM was at the time NO 2 rated P4P in the world .

JMM fight night weight for his 2 JWW wins was 144 , he was 149 on the night fighting Floyd and was 150 on the night KOing Manny .

JMM went life and death with Manny 4 times and Juan in the end KOed him out cold , Floyd schooled JMM like he didnt belong in the same ring with him , and you never once heard JMM or Nacho wanting a rematch with Floyd , both have said he cant be beat , Nacho even said you need a bat and Floyd is from another universe .

How the fck can a guy thats been beat a number of times and was beat by Floyd be held higher and Floyd beat better versions of Oscar Cotto and Mosley 3 of Mannys biggest rated wins .

You talk about double standards and being objective yet you miss out the crucial points in your argument and break both your own rules .

[fanofslug]

While Khan of course should rightfully considered above them both on the ATG list due to them both avoiding him in recent times...

Khan himself would laugh at you for saying that

[IMDAZED]

And I would struggle not to include Calzaghe on the list and I say that as someone who wasn't a fan specifically. His resume can't be discounted, it just can't - forget the record itself.

Well his resume is what I look at.

[fanofslug]

Only thing Manny can do is beat Mayweather himself and actually fight a junior middleweight who is RANKED for a title and then he will be close


Mayweather whitewashed his closest rival...JMM

Fought a better fresher version of Hatton and DLH who fought at 154(noy 147 where he hadnt fought in almost a decade) chose the ring and glove size vs floyd...knocked Hatton out first....fought Cotto at a better weight as well


all the while only having one close fight which was JLC 1


Sadly....Manny will be remembered as second best and nothing is wrong with that...both are ATG

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